There Is A Secret War Being Waged In Space Yet We Continue To Debate The Existence Of EBE'S

Originally posted by franspeakfree

Originally posted by DaMod
If we where to go to another world and go into battle we would have centuries worth of tactical training and combat technique that I think would come in handy for an alien race. We may be primitive, but we can fight.

We can fight other humans because each human being is on the same level, however, when it comes to another race that is superior than us in every way, suddenly are bravado would be extinguished.

You can't assume that though. Who knows we might be the creme de la creme. Look at the techniques derived in martial arts, as well as recon techniques, guerrilla warfare, hand to hand combat, firearms and marksmanship, piloting ability etc. Sure we may not be the most advanced or even smartest race out there, but we know how to kill stuff. If it can be killed I bet we could figure out how to do it.

Originally posted by NephraTari
reply to post by Tryptych

 

I really wish people would realize how illogical that is. The Illuminati were a group bent on destroying organized religion which is the most effective tool currently being used to control mankind.
They are not the ones trying to control the masses they are the ones trying to FREE them.

Why do so few see this?

If you look at Thomas Jefferson's comments on the Illuminati, he described the order as being oriented towards the downfall of government, and the propagation of self-governance and personal independence across the world; that they stayed secret to protect themselves from tyrants, who they opposed; and that the origin of their layered ritual inductions was a form of protection against government spies.

That said, George Washington said this:

I have heard much of the nefarious, and dangerous plan, and doctrines of the Illuminati, but never saw the Book until you were pleased to send it to me. The same causes which have prevented my acknowledging the receipt of your letter have prevented my reading the Book, hitherto; namely, the multiplicity of matters which pressed upon me before, and the debilitated state in which I was left after, a severe fever had been removed. And which allows me to add little more now, than thanks for your kind wishes and favourable sentiments, except to correct an error you have run into, of my Presiding over the English lodges in this Country. The fact is, I preside over none, nor have I been in one more than once or twice, within the last thirty years. I believe notwithstanding, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati. With respect I am &c.

reply to post by zorgon


Well actually you could see lasers or particle beams if they contained enough energy, WAY more than anything we know of today.

I have a question that I would like your input or opinion on my friend: What is your take on why no astronomers see anything like battles in orbit or deeper space when looking in their telescopes? I have very few explanations to that one, but I do think something is going on.

Originally posted by fapython
There are 4 possible reasons that the Ma)or governments deny alien existance

1. To gain the technological upper hand above other countries
   
2. They don't think the citisens of their countries can handle accepting alien life
   
3. There is something big coming and life on earth will end
   
4. Aliens have infiltrated all positions of power on our planet and want to keep humans in ignorance for there own purposes.
   

You actually forgot No 5 they dont exist thats just as likely and
the video has been discussed before thruster flash just before objects move!

Great thread Fran!

Keep your eye on Zorgon's new thread; it might end up with some stuff you can use in this one

For now, Here is Richard Hoagland discussing Earth' secret war with George Noory. This is a good interview:



[edit on 1-7-2009 by Exuberant1]

reply to post by zorgon
The guy that designed the 'Black Horse' project with Burt Rutan is involved in a project out of Wright-Patterson. You likely know about it, but it's here anyway...A Rocket-Powered Technology Demonstrator for Responsive Access to Space.

It'd be childish to leave out the other one Black Horse 2 . Very interesting and with full potential for delivering fast weapons payloads too...



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Originally posted by veritasvoice2009
I really wish people would realize how illogical that is. The Illuminati were a group bent on destroying organized religion which is the most effective tool currently being used to control mankind.

People always lump any secret society into the bulk group "Illuminati"

The founders of this country were Rosicrucians/Masons... they were not bent on destruction nor control but that is another topic for another thread

Originally posted by jkrog08
Well actually you could see lasers or particle beams if they contained enough energy, WAY more than anything we know of today.

Only if they were sloppy The very principle of a laser is focused light in one direction In the atmosphere yes you can see them but not in space unless there is maybe a debris field in the way

I have a question that I would like your input or opinion on my friend: What is your take on why no astronomers see anything like battles in orbit or deeper space when looking in their telescopes? I have very few explanations to that one, but I do think something is going on.

Hmmm Lemme try this...


Laser-like signal coming from Gliese 581e???
www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is a rumor in my circles that there are two Hubbles, when they go to repair them the down time is because both are needed Pure rumor I have no data yet

I don't think the war is a full on battle like Star Wars movies. From my understanding this is an on going battle over maybe thousands of years. But I don't have enough data on that to fit it all together yet

I am also inclined to believe that the series Stargate SG1 has more reality than fiction but we already have that thread going for three years

If it was close to us we would see more and you can bet disclosure would be 'imminent'

I don't post much on this war as I still have not collected all my notes. But this war is even described in Tibetan circles and I first came upon it 30 years ago in a book published in 1962...

Been searching ever since.

War from Space is all over the ancient texts and scriptures, distorted, encoded, and buried in religion but its there, even to the nuclear destruction

Tektites found in our biggest deserts are the same as the vitrified glass we find at the Nevada test site... and there is this..

Rajasthan, India near Jodhpur
Irradiated By Nuclear Blast 8,000 Years Ago
www.thelivingmoon.com...

The clues are every where but its a nightmare trying to sort it all out

It is even possible that the actual battles are not in this dimension, but that just complicates things more

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no EBE war in outer space shown here, just debris being shunted by rocket thrusters.

these kinds of inaccurate, over-excited posts do nothing to help the UFO community's credibility. Please approach all purported evidence with a skeptical outlook.

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Star for you well put together great input .

Originally posted by jkrog08
What is your take on why no astronomers see anything like battles in orbit or deeper space when looking in their telescopes? I have very few explanations to that one, but I do think something is going on.

Thats a good question jkrog08, there have been countless of threads where astronomers have seen strange things in space, but for obvious reasons they get shot down straight away and there credibility as an astronomer gets questioned.

There is an I Paper on the very subject:

A LIST OF UFO SIGHTINGS BY ASTRONOMERS

Google snapshot of astronomers and UFOS

What about the old french article that mentioned the HUGE objects around SATURN? strange how only now NASA have come out and said there may be more to saturn than what they first thought?

There is a fantastic thread located here by Mikesingh

Also what about the HUGE objects streaking past SOHO? that were publicised, all these things go by the wayside because in truththe majority of people either don't care or don't want to know.

There is another great thread here

My guess is that disclosure will not happen in the way we think it will, there will be no public address it will be like something out of independence day where something just appears and makes us realise just how little and insignificant we are.



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Originally posted by zorgon



Laser-like signal coming from Gliese 581e???

www.abovetopsecret.com...
There is a rumor in my circles that there are two Hubbles, when they go to repair them the down time is because both are needed

Pure rumor I have no data yet

I don't think the war is a full on battle like Star Wars movies. From my understanding this is an on going battle over maybe thousands of years. But I don't have enough data on that to fit it all together yet

I am also inclined to believe that the series Stargate SG1 has more reality than fiction

but we already have that thread going for three years

If it was close to us we would see more and you can bet disclosure would be 'imminent'

I don't post much on this war as I still have not collected all my notes. But this war is even described in Tibetan circles and I first came upon it 30 years ago in a book published in 1962...

Been searching ever since.

War from Space is all over the ancient texts and scriptures, distorted, encoded, and buried in religion but its there, even to the nuclear destruction

Tektites found in our biggest deserts are the same as the vitrified glass we find at the Nevada test site... and there is this..

Rajasthan, India near Jodhpur
Irradiated By Nuclear Blast 8,000 Years Ago
www.thelivingmoon.com...

The clues are every where but its a nightmare trying to sort it all out

It is even possible that the actual battles are not in this dimension, but that just complicates things more

keep up your great contributions. You must be a very busy man .

And as for our governments firing at UFOs ,It has been going on for years to ward off unwanted guests note they are not blowing up these crafts.

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Great work. I will be kept busy now.

thanks for the links mate.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Thanks for your kind words Exuberant1, I must say your avatar is just so damn cute, is it real ?

in regards to the video top trumps all the time my friend glad to have you aboard.

reply to post by jkrog08

Well our Sun is actually the most common star in the Universe, it is an average sized main sequence star with average luminosity. As far as being able to detect exosolar planets, well we are not that far off ourselves from having the technology to detect Earth sized planets orbiting stars. So I would guess an alien civilization at the least 100 years ahead of us would be able to easily find us, or at least put our planet into a 'habitable zone' category. Not to mention all the advances in quantum mechanics that should soon allow us to detect previously unknown EM bands that exist in the spacetime foam (subspace). This is also important because in addition to FTL communications and possibly travel, this could allow us to essentially 'quantum map' the Universe with extraordinary accuracy as judged by quantum perturbations, spectra, and and the overall quantum made up topography of spacetime.

It depends how far away from our sun these advanced beings are, far enough away and our sun would not even be a glimmer in their sky. Without our sun even showing up in their night sky, would they even turn their telescopes in our direction? Without a reason to look in our direction, they would more than likely not find us.

If they were interested in it for colonization than they would probably not be interested in it unless they planned on terraforming it to fit their needs if they are indeed non-carbon based. But other than that I think any advanced space faring civilization would simply be interested for scientific purposes. I mean do we film documentaries or dive undersea because we are intending on moving in there? Do we study cells, astronomy, psychology, philosophy, etc because we need to? No, we do it because it betters our lives and advances our limited knowledge and experience of this very fast existence we live in.

If they could detect us, i can see your point here, but I am not sure if we would be that interesting to watch. I could be wrong, they might find it interesting how an entire species is at war with it's own kind, and during these wars destroys the very planet which gives them life. Even without the wars this same species destroys the world around them, forests of trees which help provide the air they breath. I suppose this could be interesting or extremely unnerving to watch.

More than likely the rights of the planet in another advanced species view would fall on the most advanced species. Nature selected us to be the most advanced so therefor it falls on us to do what we need to to take care of our living environment. Plus normally everything evens itself out, nature will always take its course, whether it be an advanced species exterminating itself or polluting their planet to a point where a natural global catastrophe wipes them out. It is survival of the fittest, if we or another species are not fit to be here then we simply will not last long.

Advanced could be in they eye of the beholder. Would an Advanced Alien Species view a species that is destroying the planet in which they live, an advanced species? The spiders build extremely complex web structures and do not destroy their environment to do it, and they only do what they need to exist. Ants hve many colonies, they create extremely complex tunnel structures, and do not destroy the environment around them to do it, though some do blame carpenter ants for destruction of trees, but usually they are trees that are already dying, the ants are just part of the cycle.

Humans on the other hand, bulldoze entire forests to build complex building structures in which they work and live, but are these structures a necessity, aren't there other solutions. This to me, if I were an outsider looking in, seems far less advanced than either the spiders or the ants.

Any species other than the human species does not try to keep all life of the species living even the sick adding to their overpopulation. If I were an outsider looking in, this seems to point at the humans being even less civilized, as they haven’t realized that extending their own lives longer is only adding to the overpopulation. They also continue pointless wars over religion, or whatever else, instead of using that energy to look to colonize other planets in order to help with that overpopulation, and at the same time being an outsider looking in, I would want to keep this infestation from leaving the planet, so I might try to initiate some more wars on their planet helping with the population control and also to keep them too busy to leave their planet.

Indeed, but with all the rumors out there of the Earth being a major factor in the galaxy for whatever reason one must consider the possibilities. Plus, what if Earth is a vital strategic point for an existing intergalactic war? Just saying...

As far as being a strategic point for an existing intergalactic war, would there be a reason for it to be. Perhaps they would harvest the humans and break them down into their mineral components? Which would make us a commodity rather than them trying to protect us?

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Originally posted by AlienCarnage

Excellent points AlienCarnage, just to add what if the Terra Papers are indeed true and that Earth has not only been a prize in this 'secret war' but also a safe haven for the neutrals.

Its hard to write it without sounding like something from a film but I am being totally serious when I say that there is more going on than meets the eye in this world and we are innocently. in the middle of this.

Originally posted by JimOberg Most of the material has never come to the attention of the UFO community, sad to say.

Hmmm well...since I am actually beginning to see another side of you, if you make me a list of your best prosaic explanations and allow me to reprint I will give you fair exposure albeit with a small disclaimer "The opinions expressed on this page do not necessarily express those of other participants"

Originally posted by eniac
these kinds of inaccurate, over-excited posts do nothing to help the UFO community's credibility.

And what in your expert opinion, WOULD help the UFO community's credibility?

Please approach all purported evidence with a skeptical outlook.

Why? I'm not a skeptic... how about approaching 'purported evidence' with an open mind instead?

Silly Lemming

Originally posted by ocker note they are not blowing up these crafts.

Now THAT is a very good observation and neither are 'they' blasting us out of the sky...

So... playing tag? War Games?

The 'Foo Fighters' of WWII buzzed every ones planes... though we never knew that at the time... heard one report that they fired right through one... didn't hurt it