Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


WTF are you talking about, I'm sure you just want to disagree with people for the sake of it.

You have said exactly the same thing I did yet disagreed with me.

If a Muslim chooses not to follow the teachings of The Koran then he is not a Muslim.
Pretty damn simple.
Same as a Christian who doesn't follow The Bible isn't a Christian.

Of course they are labels, not only that society attaches to people but also that some people choose to attach to themselves.

But we haven't spent 18 pages discussing Muslims who aren't really Muslims.
We are talking about Muslims who follow The Koran and as part of their faith they have to try to impose Sharia upon us all, by any means necessary.
And that is what they are TRYING to do.

You really do seem to be quite a contrary sort who makes no attempt whatsoever to understand other's opinions and is quite dismissive and insulting to other's.
When allied with your smug arrogance it doesn't give to enjoyable discussion and debate.

reply to post by Freeborn

We are talking about Muslims who follow The Koran and as part of their faith they have to try to impose Sharia upon us all, by any means necessary. And that is what they are TRYING to do.

well they can try all the want... its not going to happen

50 million people do not want it and a few crack pots do...

you saying that just because they are muslim by birth they are all sharia law nut jobs?

wow...now that is interesting to say the least..

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger


you saying that just because they are muslim by birth they are all sharia law nut jobs?

wow...now that is interesting to say the least..

Show me ONE quote where that's what I said.

You read what you want to read for the sake of arguing.

What I, and a few other's have said throughout this thread is that followers of Islam MUST try to impose Sharia Law upon us all.
That is not the same as all people born a Muslim.

Your constant summising and mis-intepreting gives you absolutely no credibility at all.

Read what people write, not what you want them to write so that you can argue.

Honestly, some people.

symmetric avenger is making precious little sense............

Symetric.... I think you have been brainwashed and are not seeing what others are seeing...... must be that Halal meat you eat!!

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
Symetric.... I think you have been brainwashed and are not seeing what others are seeing...... must be that Halal meat you eat!!

coherence would be a start!

Originally posted by Freeborn

Originally posted by masonwatcher


Have you forgotten Stephen Lawrence so soon?

And have you forgotten Kriss Donald so quickly?

news.bbc.co.uk...

A racist attack is a racist attack.
End of.
Your defence of racism is indefensible but oh so typical.

Whether you like it or not there are no-go areas in the UK for non-Muslims.
www.timesonline.co.uk...
news.bbc.co.uk...

"A racist attack is a racist attack" - of course it is but I suspect you are both a denier of racism against people of colour and conflate the bizarre racial killing of white teenagers by a gang of Asian teenagers with criminal tendencies. These crimes are unique and unfortunate.

Nevertheless, you cannot compare this with the experiences of ethnic minorities. Things are a lot better nowadays but only 15 or 20 years ago, it was unbelievable.

Stephen Lawrence was murdered by the sons of gangsters then the local police covered it up. When his parents made a fuss about it, the authorities ignored them. Comprehensive turn of events, don't you think?

reply to post by masonwatcher


Those were not Asian teenagers as you put it, they were fully grown asian men, complete difference, it was a racist atack on an innocent white teenager who just was in the wrong place ata the wrong time.

I agree however the police covered up the story over the stephen lawrence case no one is disputing they didn't, as they also tried to do with the train shooting of that dude charles demenzes was it.

Does not matter which way you look at it there is racism on both sides.



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Originally posted by masonwatcher
Stephen Lawrence was murdered by the sons of gangsters then the local police covered it up. When his parents made a fuss about it, the authorities ignored them. Comprehensive turn of events, don't you think?

It may be possible to prove racism on the part of the investigating officers, but the actual perpetrators - unless they confess as such - were not proven racially motivated. Like I said, I got beat up once but I wouldn't say it was racial, despite me being white and the attackers all being black. It's equally as likely that the Stephen Lawrence incident was non-racial.

reply to post by Laurauk


Right, quibble about whether an act is racist when an ethnic minority is involved but you issue a galactic whinge when a white person is the victim.

No one is denying that the rear event of racism against a white person occurs but you lot seem to have a problem with the idea that ethnic minorities are subjected to discrimination.

Put it this, I am proud, black and Muslim and I am staying.

Although I work and earn a decent wage I screw every penny I can from the system. You got a problem with that? And if I don't have job in the recession I will take the piss out of the benefits system. It will be like a long vacation.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Put it this, I am proud, black and Muslim and I am staying.

Ahhhhh. It all becomes so clear. In my experience, this issue has never successfully been discussed objectively. Issues surround religion, ethnicity and immigration are actually never free of the subjectivity surrounding emotional response.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Although I work and earn a decent wage I screw every penny I can from the system.

Nice.

Originally posted by Cythraul

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Put it this, I am proud, black and Muslim and I am staying.

Ahhhhh. It all becomes so clear. In my experience, this issue has never successfully been discussed objectively. Issues surround religion, ethnicity and immigration are actually never free of the subjectivity surrounding emotional response.

Not subjective but an objective fact. It is what I am and is in contradiction to you who happens to be entirely emotionally invested in racial matters when you could live your life without having to consider it.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Although I work and earn a decent wage I screw every penny I can from the system.

Nice.

Yes nice indeed. If it is good enough for your betters, it certainly good enough for me

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Originally posted by masonwatcher
Not subjective but an objective fact. It is what I am and is in contradiction to you who happens to be entirely emotionally invested in racial matters when you could live your life without having to consider it.

No. Both you and I cannot be objective when debating issues surrounding race seeing as we are both of a particular (different) ethnicity. Know that I'm not actually saying I'm any better than you in this sense. Of course a black Muslim living in Britain is going to claim immigration and Islamic influence to be good things. I wouldn't expect anything else. I would say that a white Briton is naturally going to argue against mass-immigration and Islamic influence, but there are an awful lot who don't. Thus it's perhaps the white Briton who has the greater capacity for objectivity in this matter.

Ultimately, friend, we're both acting quite naturally here, given our personal circumstances and no amount of debate is going to solve anything .

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Yes nice indeed. If it is good enough for your betters, it certainly good enough for me

My betters? So let me get this straight... you're better than me because you milk the system, and perhaps also because you've decided to designate me 'racist' on your own terms? In that case, you're better than an awful large percentage of Britons. Some high-horse you've got there.

reply to post by masonwatcher


I am under no illusions whatsoever, of course ethnic minorities here in the UK have and continue to suffer from some racism.
I am also aware that white people increasingly suffer from racism.
Both are as bad as each other and should not be tolerated at all.
Whilst great strides have been made to reduce inherent racism against non-whites and to increase awareness there seems to be complete unwillingness to accept that racism occurs against whites by non-whites and the PC brigade.

Another cliche, but again true; two wrongs NEVER make a right.

But we digress.
I think we are confusing the distrust and dislike of a religion with racism.
It is not the colour of Muslims skin that I dislike and distrust, it is the very tenets and nature of Islam.
There is a massive difference.

That you are black is completely and utterly irrelevant to me.
I really couldn't give a toss what colour a person is; if someone is ok then they are ok, if they are a tosser then they are a tosser.
Pretty simple to me.

It is classic diversionary tactics to play the race card when discussing Islam.
It serves your arguement no purpose whatsover though.

Stick to the topic; Sharia Law and how it may affect British society.

reply to post by Cythraul

My betters? So let me get this straight... you're better than me because you milk the system, and perhaps also because you've decided to designate me 'racist' on your own terms? In that case, you're better than an awful large percentage of Britons. Some high-horse you've got there.

Who said anything about milking the system. I was referring to being exceptionally shrewd as in taking advantage of tax rules, buying with discounts, benefits entitlements; across the board and comprehensively. You however, assumed cheating because I am a minority. This is entirely expected and predictable from a racist in denial, hence the reason I used ambiguous language to draw you out.

Regarding the issue of your betters, I was anticipating one of two reactions. The first being an aggrieved descendent of a working class family who has a chip on his shoulders and who gets offended by the classicist term 'betters'. This would have indicated a person that feels they are being let down by the system at the sight of a successful ethnic minority. Jealousy in short and the invariable denial of the existence of proactive forms of racism.

The second reaction expected is a sense of outrage at the thought that there is a black man who thinks he is better than you. If I was to come across someone who thought that they are better than me, I would just snort and dismiss it as silly. After all we are all the product of an accident of birth. We are just product of the opportunities, or lack of, that we have been afforded.

While I hesitate to label a human being, unfortunately on this occasion I will and do think you have an attitude problem towards your compatriots wholly based on skin colour and/or religion.



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reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


and think your basic racists with no clue what so ever

shall we continue?

reply to post by Cythraul


what has he said that as so wrong? they screw us everyday by making us use money???

pay back is always in order and due...

but at the same point

half the posts on this thread confuse law and region with race...

Race = colour not culture...

Law = the way it is used and follwed within any given nation state.

Religion = a following of a doctrin ...

some places do use faith as a law aka taliban that i may remind you outlawed the use of heroin by beheding and other grim things...

But lets get real here

Most muslims "as you call them via labels" do not want sharia law..

you are trying to tell me "a man who studies law" that the british people are some how being taking over by islam via back doors ?

ARE YOU 1 insane?
or 2 just un educated?

i dont know how many times i have to say this

NOT ONE LAW HAS BEEN PASSED TO MAKE ANY LAW LEGAL IN THE UNITED KINGDOM FOR SHARIA LAW

The law that is USED for divorce IS OVERSEEN BY ONE LAW that JEWS FOLLOW HINDUS SEEKS AND CHRISTAN

As was pointed out by my good friend ARBITRATION.

you Cant not accept that can you?

why? because you are scared the muslims are coming to get you!!1 ohhh boggy man..like commies and socialism...

fact is your ignorant and ill be very happy to school you in the laws i know and follow every day

do you watch c-span? or the house of commons or the house of lords or anything that has to do with this? or bother to read anything that is REAL not printed by the idiots who wish to sell news papers on you education and lack of understanding

its nasty just like fox news

please just call me a #ing 'n-word' to my face or a god damm muslim we dont want you here in england because we are white and you steal our women..

its #ing pathetic... really it is

less than 1 percent of the population of the UNITED KINGDOM WANT SHARIA LAW...

get a clue.. deny ignorance? deny bigotry, idiots and people who talk about things they dont even bother to read about.

like the part of a brain that understands culture.. LACKING

In every aspect

EVERY ASPECT

makes me feel sick knowing i share your genes

reply to post by Freeborn

I am under no illusions whatsoever, of course ethnic minorities here in the UK have and continue to suffer from some racism. I am also aware that white people increasingly suffer from racism.

But dont you see you are doing the very same thing by putting all Muslims in the same box as the nutters who want sharia law?????

thats like calling all the people in Ireland terrorists because there Irish?

it makes no bloody sens!!!!

in fact its very degrading and insulting.. and just stupid ...

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Who said anything about milking the system.... You however, assumed cheating because I am a minority.

Actually, a) as far as I'm aware, "milking" does not mean cheating, it means "taking advantage of". You are taking advantage of the system and I do not think that makes you better than me. b) even if I had assumed you were cheating the system, it certainly wouldn't have been because you are a minority, and nothing I wrote indicates this. You're quite clearly jumping at every (wrongly) perceived opportunity to confirm me as a 'racist'.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
The second reaction expected is a sense of outrage at the thought that there is a black man who thinks he is better than you.

Er... again - even if you are better than me, it wouldn't bother me. Not because of your colour, or for any reason. You've jumped the gun again and again in desperate attempts to paint me as 'racist'.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
While I hesitate to label a human being, unfortunately on this occasion I will and do think you have an attitude problem towards your compatriots wholly based on skin colour and/or religion.

Then perhaps you feel a bit silly now.


reply to post by symmetricAvenger

I would respond, but your grammar, punctuation, spelling and false assumptions make your post difficult to address I'm afraid. All the best.



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reply to post by masonwatcher


Listen, I agreed with you on the issue of steven lawrence so quit being so ignorant and trying to demonise everything anyone posts on this thread.

If you want to be a sponger of the tax payer that is your perogative not mines. I for one will never go on benefits, Have worked since I left school, and I have no intentions off signin on. There are other jobs that can be done weither it is cleaning someones house or cleaning the streets. Or voluntry work. A job is a job as long as it bring income into your home.


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