The Zodiac Killer: The Case Reviewed

reply to post by MatrixProphet


Wow, you should be doing anazysis all the time. That was excellent! After watching the Zodiac again I think that Allen was probably the killer, but I think my suspect is pretty solid in the OP. However, a few things bother me and make me doubt that Gyke could have done it. Allen has a lot of evidence for him, for instance the bombs and quite possibly the BEST evidence for the Zodiac is this:

Shortly after the murder of Darlene Ferrin, a relative of the victim informed investigators that Darlene had a relationship of some sort with a man named "Lee".

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Apparently Darlene Ferrin had a paint party, in which they paint...hence the paint party..anyway, now this friend of Darlene was named Karen and Karen stated this:

“Karen stated that Dee sometime during this conversation mentioned the man’s name, and that the first name was very short, three or four letters and that the second name was just slightly longer. The name was quite common.”

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and so they decided to ask her more questions, but under a hypnotic/ relaxed state:

Karen was able to recall a general description of the male in his vehicle. The description was a heavy set, middle-aged white male adult, very round face, curly, wavy dark brown hair. The vehicle was a white sedan with a large windshield

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Now Darlene apparently told her sister Pam this:

Pam would later claim that she had seen this mysterious man on at least eight occasions, and that Darlene warned her to stay away from him because he was a murderer.

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Anyway, back to the party. The party was going on a man with a suit walked in and that caught Karens attention who would wear a nice suit to a Paint Party? Karen continued saying that the man sat in a chair the whole time and that she got the feeling that he did not like people. Apparently, Darlene told her to stay away from that one because he had killed a person before.

After that it was later discovered that Arthur Allen went by the name of Leigh also pronounced as Lee. Karen stated that the mysterious mans name was not long about three to four letters and sure enough. Lee is three letters, its a common mistake. And then she said his last name was a little longer, Lee's last name was Allen. Which is longer than Lee. It would then be looked upon by Graysmith of where Allen was staying, we will get into that in a minute.

Darlene had worked as a waiter and was popular among the men and that she would often "sleep" around and go behind her husbands back. Now this place at where she worked was only 50 yards away from Bernice Allens home and guess what. Arthur Leigh Allen was fired from his job and he moved into his parents basement. That would put him in that vicinity and what Mageau stated before about Darlene acting like she knew who was in car that stopped behind them. Chances are it was Allen and that began his rampage against women and couples and men.

and of course this:

In 1991, Mike Mageau identified Arthur Leigh Allen as being the shooter. This identification was the result of Mageau being shown a photo lineup by George Bawart of the Vallejo Police Department. When Bawart asked Mageau why he had never identified Allen in the 20 years Allen had been the top suspect, Mageau said that he had never been shown any pictures of suspects and he had only been asked if he recognized certain names. If Mageau's statement is true, it's probably the biggest law-enforcement blunder of modern times.

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Of course this the Allen theory and its a cool theory.



Just thought it deserved more of an explanation than I provided the first time around.

[edit on Jun 27th 2009 by TheMythLives]

you make a good point myth. i can see why people think hes the one who did it. i think im going to look up gaikowski some.

this is where im going to post a bunch of information on Richard Gaikowski. i will update it as i find more info. be prepared to change your opinion on him Myth, i think we may be mistaken



xymphora.blogspot.com...

His obituary describeshis journey from South Dakota to San Francisco as an artist and journalist. it talks about his time spent in the Haight Ashbury region and his Good Times stint.


THE BEST EVIDENCE - ruling out Richard Gaikowski
1. Richard wasn't in the area during a confirmed Zodiac attack on December 20, 1968. He had been in Albany and then traveled to Europe during the second half of 1968.
2. Real cops, who had access to Gaikowski's vital records ruled him out as a suspect over 20 years ago. They had access to records about his height, weight, date of arrival in San Francisco, model of car and the ability to surreptitiously get fingerprints and hand writing samples.
3. The FBI has already looked at Richard and cleared him. You can go here foia.fbi.gov...
Check page 371. They black the names out, but they are talking about Blaine accusing Richard back in 1988. In 1991, Blaine even turned in an envelope and card and some code solution thing that Blaine was accusing Richard of making. Blaine accusing Richard of the code solution book was on Void's site at one time, but appears to have been deleted or moved. That is because Richard didn't make the solution booklet. The friggin' FBI saw no merit in it and most definitely finger printed Richard.
by-stander.blog.com...
[edit on 27-6-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

[edit on 27-6-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest


Awesome, but I still have issues. Didn't people back in the day register a flight with other peoples names to get a free pass? I know Rohcard was with good times so he would be a reporter or sorts and have that kind of pass. Its just a thought and not a solid one though..lol.. but I agree with the rest the FBI is hard to discredit. I do have another isse however, Allen did NOT wear glasses. So how in the hell did all of the witnesses see a man with glasses? Even when the Zodiac stabbed hartnell and his girl shephard the Zodiac had to wear glasses over that hood. It appears to me that he REALLY needs those glasses and Allen didn't wear glasses.

Again, a most excellent report.


Here's the home address that should take you to a site where you can click on the Zodiac Killer report.

www.opordanalytical.com...

(I can't get to it right now because my new computer doesn't want to work with PDF files and the like.)

You may have noted this in your many links, but perhaps not.

reply to post by Desert Dawg


That was pretty cool. I like their cipher notes which is also important and gives us a new look at some of the ciphers. Excellent find mate!

reply to post by TheMythLives

Allen did NOT wear glasses. So how in the hell did all of the witnesses see a man with glasses? Even when the Zodiac stabbed hartnell and his girl shephard the Zodiac had to wear glasses over that hood. It appears to me that he REALLY needs those glasses and Allen didn't wear glasses.

I think you are kinda missing the point. A psychopath will literally take on a new identity with the look that goes with it. Many have mult-personality disorders (now called dissociated personality disorder). This is important to keep in mind. One of his personalities could have been far more insane than his others.

Plus...we have no way of knowing if the glasses were prescription, or not! They could have been clear glasses. The glasses fit a crucial aspect of the case and one that may have been a deliberate false clue or lead.

Oh, and thank you! I don't work in human behavior for nothing, eh?

reply to post by MatrixProphet


I see your point. It just seems odd that he would wear them only at the killings. But even if that were to happen him switching to another side, wouldn't the glasses only hurt him? Even if they were prescribed or not? I still think Allen is a good suspect, much like what KoolAid stated, "we may have been wrong in our suspects". It would seem that we have. Also I just remembered that Allen was able to write with both hands and hence his writing would be different! So that is more evidence for Allen as the Zodiac killer. I think I may have to change my mind..lol.. BUt their is still evidence for Gyke that cannot be dismissed, easily.

[edit on Jun 28th 2009 by TheMythLives]

reply to post by TheMythLives

1 I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing, the rest of the time I look entirle different. I shall not tell you what my descise consists of when I kill

Here is your answer from your first page that takes care of the glasses! He deliberately was saying that he changed his look, so glasses are a natural answer as it really changes ones look.

1. Allen was fired from a job for molesting a student. Killers usually start out small and work up in their crimes. Their self-esteem gets boosted by acting out on their thoughts.

This could also be an indicator of where he was eventually headed in his disgust for women (if it was a girl). Rape or molestation is rarely done for the "act," but is a vicious act or statement against the sex of the person. It is to humiliate the object of their hatred.

Now, let's say that Allen was not a killer, but a pervert. He could have been trolling and scoping for more sexual victims of rape and not murder.

Often the excuse a predator uses is, "She begged for it, she led me on." In spite of the fact that the victim may only be 5-6 years old! Regardless, we are working with a warped mind!

Notice his eyes? Look at them carefully. How black are they? Eyes can be a large indicator of how sociopathic someone is.

2. He received a watch w/zodiac symbol in 1967, but he claimed; 1969. Was he innocent and just wanted the attention? His 15 minutes of fame?

3. Talking to his brother about how HE would commit the crimes which are apparently allegedly said by him. Whenever there are serial killings the police force is usually inundated with false confessions and copy cat killings.

If Allen did indeed do the killings and told his brother how he would do them, then he was essentially outlining his future plans, either for approval, or shock value, or as a sign that he was screaming out for help.

Here is a sleuth approach: how about Allen's brother? Could he have ran with the idea? Could he have actually been the more warped of the two? Obviously they came from a very dysfunctional home. "I'll drive the car while you rob the store!" - scenario.

I added that last bit as we will never know, and when dealing in a mystery, often times the suspect is the very one you don't see, or dismiss, because they are the best of actors. I love the challenge in discovering the actual killer in a mystery novel or movie. More often than not, I get it right!


Edit to add: serial killers and typical killers almost always return to the scene of the crime as did the zodiac killer in one of his letters to the police!!

[edit on 28-6-2009 by MatrixProphet]

reply to post by MatrixProphet


Now were talking. I definately think this killer was Allen, to many coincidences and what not. Wow this is a Case Review first, in which I changed my mind..lol.. awesome work you and Koolaid did to my mind. Luckily I had you two to guide me in the right direction.

Wow, I did not think about his brother, that would be a twist. And believe it or not thats probably the best ALTERNATIVE theory I have heard in a while, besides the Police doing the crimes and the two person theory. But it still could have been two people. Allen and His brother. However, I think Allens brother moved away? I am not sure and cannot find anything on his brother. So I need to look deeper, but if we can pin the brother in those areas or in California Period, we maybe on our road to actually solving the case. That would be cool.

Here's the Movie Interview of Arthur and they said it was done to the "T" in the way it went down. So maybe this recreation can give us an insight of how he was.



Excellent Movie. I think your right MP. I agree with your statements.

www.sfgate.com.../c/a/2004/05/05/BAG6U6FN3G1.DTL&type=printable

here is gaikowskis obituary. i tried posting it the other day but the link was messed up. i dont know if it will work this time so i am copying and pasting the whole thing to go along with it.

Richard Gaikowski -- S.F. writer, filmmaker, renowned bon vivant

Michael Taylor, Chronicle Staff Writer

Wednesday, May 5, 2004
Richard Gaikowski was also a hippie in the psychedelic er...

Richard Gaikowski, who left his tiny South Dakota town to see the world and ultimately found that world in the eclectic stew of San Francisco's psychedelic era as a writer and filmmaker, died Friday in San Francisco.

Mr. Gaikowski was 68 and died at the San Francisco Veterans Administration Medical Center of lung cancer.

He was known around town for decades as a figure in the arts and a bon vivant who would try anything once, even if it didn't last. He drove a cab in the early 1980s but hit a pedestrian his first day on the job.

"Richard just had a bohemian air about him," said his friend Ken Tray, the executor of Mr. Gaikowski's estate. "He was on the edge of soul."

"He was a hip cat," said another friend, Jay Hanke. "He was a beatnik."

For Mr. Gaikowski, those days were a whirlwind of life in tie-dyed San Francisco at a time when everything appeared to be free and widely available - - love, sex, dope and anything to do with the arts.

Mr. Gaikowski was born in Watertown, S.D., and raised in Webster, S.D. He graduated from Webster High School in 1954, spent a year at Northern State College (now Northern State University) in Aberdeen, S.D., then was drafted. His two years in the Army, largely spent as a medic, opened his eyes to the possibilities of the world outside South Dakota. After the Army, he finished up at Northern State, did a brief stint as a press aide to then-Gov. Ralph Herseth and lit out for the east.

He fetched up at the (now defunct) Albany Knickerbocker-News, in upstate New York, where Fred LeBrun, now a columnist for the Albany Times-Union, remembers Mr. Gaikowski for "a series he did here on migrant workers. He spent about three weeks as a migrant worker -- this was the age of the actuality reporter -- and he wrote a terrific, warm series.

"He was very much of an activist journalist," LeBrun said. "He was moved by all the issues of the time -- the Vietnam War, Kent State (University, where the National Guard killed four student protesters), the freedom rides, workers' rights."

But he left the paper in 1970 and moved to the Bay Area, stopping first at the Martinez newspaper, then moving to San Francisco and joining the thriving life in the Haight.

"He was a true dropout," Tray said. "He was part of the radical hippie Good Times Commune, back around 1970, he helped put out the Good Times Paper, and he was always interested in the arts. He started making small films, like 'My Black Film.' " Mr. Gaikowski "had some emotional turmoil in the 1970s," Tray said, and ultimately went through "long-term Jungian analysis."

In 1976, Mr. Gaikowski and the late Robert Evans took over a Mission district porno movie theater called the Roxie and converted it into an emporium for art films and independent movies. Mr. Gaikowski also formed One Way Films, a distribution company for independent films.

In the late 1970s, Mr. Gaikowski made his big film, "Deaf Punk," described in a 1981 Chronicle review of new wave films as "an enigmatic joining of a band called the Offs and their audience at the S.F. Deaf Club."

"It was a short, very cool film," Tray said. The film came about because Mr. Gaikowski noticed that "the punks were hanging out in the area of the Deaf Club, around 16th and Valencia. The Deaf Club was a social club."

Mr. Gaikowski brought them together, Tray said -- "Deaf people and punkers. That's all."

In recent years, Tray said, Mr. Gaikowski was "very involved in computer work and poetry slam. He was involved in various art projects and put together a punk show."

Mr. Gaikowski is survived by three sisters, Marian Zollar and Therese Boik, both of Webster, S.D.; and Lorraine Lesnar, of Millbank, S.D.; and a brother, Larry Gaikowski, of Peoria, Ariz.

A celebration of Mr. Gaikowski's life will take place at 1 p.m. May 29 at 1035 Guerrero St., San Francisco.

sfgate.com.../c/a/2004/05/05/BAG6U6FN3G1.DTL

This article appeared on page B - 7 of the San Francisco Chronicle






and myth i sent an email to tom voight to see if he can supply some sources about his info on "The Gyke" voight seems to be the biggest one pushing gaikowskis guilt, and perhaps the only one. some have claimed much of his information/proof has been fabricated.


the wiki for A.L. Allen. pretty informative. he seems to have molested a girl then a boy at 2 different schools. Matrix can tell if the crimes outlined in the wiki are escalating or not. i cant really tell so i will leave it to the experts
en.wikipedia.org...


what bothers me about Allen possibly being the zodiac is the sketches...he doesnt match. granted just about every white guy in the world matches the sketches if you put horn rimmed glasses on him (ive done it and id match the sketch pretty well if i shaved), so maybe it was a coincidence that the other suspects looked like some guy that just happened to be there.

some more on allen
www.se7en-x.com...

[edit on 29-6-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

I think Marshall was definitely involved, not sure how though. I also think that maybe a police officer was the one doing the actual killing. It would explain a lot of things and could explain how he knew many of his female victims and why that one female didn't seem bothered by his arrival. Maybe to cover his tracks he created the Zodiac as a person completely different than himself.

He mentioned killing a cop with a .38 but a black man was already suspected for the crime. Maybe one of the cops working that case was the Zodiac and he framed the black guy. It wouldn't be the first time a black man was convicted for a crime he didn't do. It would be interesting to see if anyone can find some details of that case.

reply to post by TheMythLives


RH, most likely, is referring to "real hunter" meaning Allen only thinks that people, like him, who "hunt" their "prey", being humans, are the only "real hunters".

I forget the name of the book he was inspired by, but it is a doozie.

It was on hunting the only really acceptable game, mankind.

Like I said, I forget the title of the book, but it was based on the thought that hunting wild animals was borish, and that a man can fight against man.

As to a task-force, that is a consideration, but not within ATS boundaries like someone else pointed out, as that would both break terms and conditions of the website, as well begin a war with other people here who think the Government is already too powerful.

On top of this, Law Enforcement would see it as competition, as well as taking their job away.

Unless done under a certain set of circumstances, and I have many plans.

Nothing I will discuss here, while being electronically monitored, nor on the phone, nor through personal "snail mail".

Face to face is the only way to discuss some things.

reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest


Awesome Find! That is awesome, I did not know he was a filmmaker or involved in movies. That is odd to me. Perhaps him and Rick Marshall knew eachother and created the Zodiac? Of course thats the alternative theory to Allen. Thats odd.

reply to post by DraconianKing


Well the black man was convicted they had some 15 witnesses seeing him walk up the the car and shoot the cop. But I like what you said, the cops could have been involved the cops could have been the Zodiac. I like what you all are thinking Excellent speculation.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


RH, thats one of the best ideas of what it could mean, the book was The Most Dangerous Game. And it fits with the ciphers:

"I like to kill people, because man is the most dangerous game"

Its like Allen was just messing with the police and making fun of them when they came to interview him. Wow, excellent!

reply to post by TheMythLives


Yes, that's the name of the book. It was one of the many books I have heard reference of in regards to the Zodiac, but I have never read the book myself.

I am assuming you are speaking of the book :

The Most Dangerous Game

Having been stalked myself, since I was six years old, both by family, and my family as well being stalked by people because of me, has given me a very unique way of seeing into the mind of sociopaths.

Hope you do not mind that I plug my thread here.

TML, you really need to apply to the Bully Pulpit, so you can do some of your posting uninterrupted, as well as anything political you might aspire to, you can practice there.

Stop The Stalkers

Read about my fight against stalkers here, since I was six years old.

Left-Wing, Right-Wing, This Turkey, Knows How To Soar Like An Eagle

Become a member of the Bully Pulpit, so you can debate me politically, if you do not choose membership in the Bully Pulpit, you can only read, and not post replies.

[edit on 29-6-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Not at all. Thanks for sharing, I will read that asap.

reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest


It is interesting that the DNA didn't match the stamp and the letter writing didn't match his. It wouldn't conclusively put him out of the running, I wouldn't think.

It is also interesting that he was charged with molestation of a girl and boy from elementary schools.

Here is my take on that:

Obviously children are not a threat, and could be considered "safer" targets than someone his own age. I don't believe it is a common finding that a molester of children will then go on to kill women and men. Usually the criminal will have preferences in his abuse style, so to speak.

A pedophile will often feel that he/she only relates to young people and can convince themselves that the children want this kind of attention. Often the perpetrator feels he/she is on the same level as the child, and only children feel safe to them. They may feel that they can "control" the child and can have a relationship with them while someone older is too much of a threat, and not easily controlled or devoted in their worship of him/her.

To me it alters things! I am NOT an expert so can only state what makes sense to me.

IF he had multi-personality issues going on, then this could explain his "shift" to killing adults (one personality preferred children while the other wanted to get even with adults). Or that he had a brother or other relative who was also mentally ill who ran with the idea. Very possible! There generally is a method to someone's madness.

In mental health you cannot apply rational reasoning to an irrational person. Meaning: it is necessary to "think" like the killer.

I say this again because; there is too much circumstantial evidence working against him. But if a brother or cousin did it, they may look enough alike and of course their DNA would be different.

In the (actual) interview he seemed like he may have been gleeful, or helping the police out as in being elusive and then contributory(as portrayed in the movie clip above). He was yanking their string!! Either way, it is very apparent that he did not have a conscience. This is telling!

reply to post by MatrixProphet

It is interesting that the DNA didn't match the stamp and the letter writing didn't match his. It wouldn't conclusively put him out of the running, I wouldn't think

I have the solution to that. Allen stated on several occassions that the glue on the stamps and the glue on the envelopes made him sick. So he would get other people to lick his stamps and enveloped. If he was the Zodiac which I think he was, then he was pretty damn smart in and slick with his words and lies.