Michael Jackson has heart attack / stopped breathing / CPR administered

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Thanks. When I first seen and heard the Earth Song video I knew that Michael would start having problems with his career That song and video is powerful. I feel he couldv'e seriously helped changed the world. You don't see that video too much either. I hope that he didn't do what he was accussed of. And if a court of law found him not guilty then only God can judge him now. RIP.

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[edit on 27-6-2009 by Teeky]

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Oh its pretty evident that opiates are responsible for his death, except he didnt OD himself, I would put good money on his Doctor being the one that gave him the fatal injection of Demerol or Morphine and I said this from Day One.

I don't know the details of Michael Jackson's medications, pharmaceutical or otherwise. But as someone with a lot of professional knowledge I can talk about something few non-medical people understand.

It's called Adverse Drug Interference. You doctor may prescribe a few legitimate medications, but no on can predict how they will interact in those dosages over extended periods of time. And everyone;s system responds differently.

Ad to that people often taking medications more frequently than prescribed and using illegal substances simultaneously, and you have a recipe for liver damage or heart failure. Happens to millions every year, difficult to ascertain by autopsy.

Mike

Originally posted by Shamrock87
reply to post by stander

 

Do you know what I have to say to you and all these people who are SHEEPISHLY mourning over this CORPSE WASTE OF A HUMAN BEING!?

Well I can't say it because I will probably be banned.

Too bad that you can't scroll up and find my post that clearly shows that I "sheepishly mourn" Michael Jackson. I really never been his fan -- he was a pop singer, and that's not the type of music that I like to listen to. But you can't avoid running into his songs from the media around, so I can tell you that he was mighty good in his department. The same goes for Madona -- she is an outstanding vocalist.

Just stop being pissed at yourself that no one gives sh-t about you. You've never made others feel good, so what do you expect?

Too bad that you can't spit your poison in full for a fear of being banned, as you said. That would surely mean the end of your social life.

yes its very sad and im getting the sniffles but if he had been building homes for the habitat for humanity for the last 10 yrs then i could consider him an icon a half a billion could go quite aways arod only makes 25 mil a year hitting 210 thats impressive barry bonds is avoiding the truth and lives alie but many people still look up to these guys mannywood is coming to a town near you i make 50k but it takes an entire year to pull this off i know im nobody special but occassionally i will flash 10 big bucks on somebody i think is deserving lunch on me im short to ground at the present on this concept can you have barry bonds call me and help sort this out in my mind

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(When someone wants to translate the above post please let me know... Sorry even Google page translator didn't have a clue.
Like me.
I have NO idea what this person is talking about - if it's even about Michael Jackson and on topic, or if someone's cat is possible walked across their keyboard and got lucky and posted in ATS.)

ON TOPIC - I just read some story Michael was exercising with an exercise video and then had the heart attack.

I'm going to go back and look for the URL - just after reading it my computer crashed.

I wouldn't doubt his heart gave out - but I'm still not discounting the so called doctor and his needle...

EDIT: Ok found it...

Pushed Too Far...

The final act of Michael Jackson's life came into clearer focus Friday, a picture of a fallen superstar working out with TV's "Incredible Hulk" and under the care of his own private cardiologist as he tried to get his 50-year-old body in shape for a grueling bid to reclaim his glory.

So, he 'pushed himself too far' working out...

Hmmm.... I think I'll wait for the autopsy.

Peace to all who love and miss him...


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I think people should get over Michael Jackson. Seriously. There's better real-world things to think about than one weird celebrity who died.

What about the soldiers out there fighting and dying for our civil liberties and protection? Where is the 12 page memorial in the papers for the fallen soldiers?

There isn't one, that's where. Just a brief mention on page 27 of The Sun (in the uk). It's a travesty if you ask me. If I was a soldier I would strike and see if Michael Jackson would save you from the terrorists.

So he sung some songs and made some music. Big Deal. If terrorists ever got their way nobody would make music ever again because we'd all be dead.

I was reading this blog that a friend of mine found which sums it up nicely:

darrindrader.blogspot.com...

We're are a society of mean spirited salacious idol worshiping hypocrites. The pressure that we exert continually drives our best and brightest to their early graves. Why do we bother crying over the deaths of people like Michael Jackson, Anna Nicole Smith, Heath Ledger, and so many others when it was our prying interest in their personal lives that compounded their existing problems? Shouldn't we be happy that they finally reached the final conclusion that we steered them towards?

He was alive. Now he is dead and all of his fame and riches stand are no longer of use to him.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the fight for freedom continues for true heroes.

When I was 5 my step-father came into the front room where I was watching Michael Jackson on the television.
He took one look at the program, pulled me up off the floor by the back of my blouse, shoved his face in mine and screamed “We don’t watch *N's* in this house,“ then he back handed me across the room.

(Added information my step-father was a pillar of the community, a deacon at church, upper middle class and wouldn’t say the *N* word outside the house but believed every family should *own one* - the filthy racist scum hypocrite)...

Later, I went back to watching Michael Jackson and what did Michael teach me?

Acceptance.
Love.
To always be kind.
To laugh and to LOVE and to dance and not care what people think of me.

To have the personal integrity to look beyond the color of someone's skin.

I've still got the scar over my right eye where my stepfather's mason ring took a chunk out of my skin.

What did he teach me?

Nothing that Michael Jackson's living example of LOVE did not cure...

peace


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I'm sick and tired of posters telling others who to mourn for or not. To each his own. If you care about your soldiers, fine. (We don't. ) Go help their families. (We won't. )

I think it was the best way for MJ to bow out. One final bang that the world responded to. No growing old buried in debt trying to relive the glory days. I just feel sorry for his kids (even if I doubt those were biologically his.)

It's sad that the mainstream media and people in general have not shown michael jackson the respect he deserves. taking the piss out of him on a daily basis, now he's dead he's the GREATEST thing since sliced bread?

RIP Jacko x

I just saught to mention the soldiers because today, in the UK, is National Armed Forces day. Something people seem to have conveniently forgotten.

Originally posted by James Random
I think people should get over Michael Jackson. Seriously. There's better real-world things to think about than one weird celebrity who died.

What about the soldiers out there fighting and dying for our civil liberties and protection? Where is the 12 page memorial in the papers for the fallen soldiers?

There isn't one, that's where. Just a brief mention on page 27 of The Sun (in the uk). It's a travesty if you ask me. If I was a soldier I would strike and see if Michael Jackson would save you from the terrorists.

So he sung some songs and made some music. Big Deal. If terrorists ever got their way nobody would make music ever again because we'd all be dead.

I was reading this blog that a friend of mine found which sums it up nicely:

darrindrader.blogspot.com...

We're are a society of mean spirited salacious idol worshiping hypocrites. The pressure that we exert continually drives our best and brightest to their early graves. Why do we bother crying over the deaths of people like Michael Jackson, Anna Nicole Smith, Heath Ledger, and so many others when it was our prying interest in their personal lives that compounded their existing problems? Shouldn't we be happy that they finally reached the final conclusion that we steered them towards?

He was alive. Now he is dead and all of his fame and riches stand are no longer of use to him.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the fight for freedom continues for true heroes.

Actually, I think you're a little out of touch with reality. I can't think of a single person that hasn't heard of Michael Jackson. The fact that his name and music has leaked into the minds of almost every person in the modern world means that his death was always going to cause this kind of global reaction. Mourning the death of a musical legend is in no way a form of disrespect for the armed forces fighting for our freedom.

Also: news.bbc.co.uk...

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It's not that people have forgotten, it's just that most people didn't pay enough attention to the propaganda to even commit it to memory in the first place...

To bring up the military in a Micheal Jackson thread is a clear sign of desperation from the dark side...

Originally posted by Mindmelding
reply to post by James Random

 

It's not that people have forgotten, it's just that most people didn't pay enough attention to the propaganda to even commit it to memory in the first place...

To bring up the military in a Micheal Jackson thread is a clear sign of desperation from the dark side...

He was a pedo. The world is better off without him. If the doctor killed him i'd pin a medal on the guy. My only question would be why didn't he do it sooner?

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You'd pin a medal? What are you, king of your mental kingdom? The tone and content of your posts shows that you're delusional. And to repeat the pedophilia thing regarding M. J. shows that you're a repeater, a disseminator of memes instead of a free thinking individual that is master of what he says.

Get control back of your own mind and stop being reactive. Maybe M. J. was a pedo, but we have to give him the benefit of the doubt because, for all the noise made around the issue there was never any real proof and it all amounts to slander and accusation with no real substance. And since he was immensly wealthy there is clearly other possible motives. He settled out of court but that can be interpreted both ways so it tells us nothing.

If you, and the others in the anti Jackson camp want, I'll meet you half way in saying that he was a troubled individual. I'm not calling him a saint. But he had a big heart and did a lot of good and his music brought a lot of joy. And that should be remembered. And if you and the others don't, well, damn you in your own negativity as it was your own choice.

I've just read about all the drugs he was on.... bloody hell! The Docs should know that you don't really need more than one painkiller to numb pain or more than one anti-depressant to help you feel better.... you try one and if it's not doing the job you try another and stop taking the first one.... Docs know the full extent of mixing drugs so i don't know how MJ's situation was not monitored more closely.... i'm pretty disgusted with the Docs for doing this really.... must be some serious questions asked!

Originally posted by James Random

Originally posted by Mindmelding
reply to post by James Random

 

It's not that people have forgotten, it's just that most people didn't pay enough attention to the propaganda to even commit it to memory in the first place...

To bring up the military in a Micheal Jackson thread is a clear sign of desperation from the dark side...

He was a pedo. The world is better off without him. If the doctor killed him i'd pin a medal on the guy. My only question would be why didn't he do it sooner?

No need for that James.... MJ was a genius in his own right.... you can't judge him from newspaper reports.....

Hope someone puts you out of your misery!

[edit on 27-6-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

How about the judge him for the police reports, and read the things these poor kids went through. Was he talented, yes, a musical genius, yes, a spiffy dresser... maybe .. but all these thing do not equate to even harming one child.

do your self a favor read the police reports. as I said earlier , if this wasn't MJ you would all vilify him, and for good reason

Originally posted by Mindmelding
reply to post by James Random

 

You'd pin a medal? What are you, king of your mental kingdom? The tone and content of your posts shows that you're delusional. And to repeat the pedophilia thing regarding M. J. shows that you're a repeater, a disseminator of memes instead of a free thinking individual that is master of what he says.

Get control back of your own mind and stop being reactive. Maybe M. J. was a pedo, but we have to give him the benefit of the doubt because, for all the noise made around the issue there was never any real proof and it all amounts to slander and accusation with no real substance. And since he was immensly wealthy there is clearly other possible motives. He settled out of court but that can be interpreted both ways so it tells us nothing.

If you, and the others in the anti Jackson camp want, I'll meet you half way in saying that he was a troubled individual. I'm not calling him a saint. But he had a big heart and did a lot of good and his music brought a lot of joy. And that should be remembered. And if you and the others don't, well, damn you in your own negativity as it was your own choice.

I am a free thinking and also a master of many things that I say. However, none of the effort of doing so is worth expending upon Michael Jackson.

Originally posted by ShiftTrio
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

How about the judge him for the police reports, and read the things these poor kids went through. Was he talented, yes, a musical genius, yes, a spiffy dresser... maybe .. but all these thing do not equate to even harming one child.

do your self a favor read the police reports. as I said earlier , if this wasn't MJ you would all vilify him, and for good reason

We'll hes last videos epically the one where he was interview with his babie, showed that he was a big time druggie,

A. He was a rapist he bought never land to seduce kids and molested probably more then hundreds of kids that never said anything, he was evil out of his mind, and made probably video tapes , all his friends and body guards and maids where in on it too , corrupted and evil just like him. When he went to court he spend millions of dollars to win his case,

or
B. He had a lot of money and people tried to get some out of him, a lawyer found a good case out of a boy, who appeard on the video with him, and everyone jumped into the wagon to get there piece of money. Maybe Micheals weakness of giving was exploited and they just saw a cash flow in him


I personally believe that he was just around bad people, the way his dad raised him, he was just open for this people to walk around on him, probably looking for his own father figure he trusted people he shouldn't have, and this is what happen. People who say who cares he dead, honestly have not been around the world much, and don't understand what he did in the 1990s,

if Britney spears or Brad Pit died, you could have said who cares, but Micheal Jackson is complete different, he started this all, he laid the blue prints not only to commercialism for bands like nysnc, but blue print in our mind that is ok to be any skin color.


One question I have for you ATS MEMBERS is
why did it take them 1 hour to bring him back alive, I always thought that the body is dead after 15 mins, what where they doing for one hour? Where they using new techniques perhaps new technology?