CNN: Massacre day, June 24, 2009 Tehran Baharestan

Originally posted by audas
CIA

www.disclose.tv...

www.strimoo.com...

Quote for the new page.

Thanks for the video, watching now.

[edit on 25-6-2009 by tim1989]

Yep i would never trust any of these stories, whether they might be true or not.

the anglo american media is very good at pretending things are happening.

If the uk or american people where doing what the iranians are doing, they would be called terrorists on our media, like at the g20.

The media are a waste of time, and some sites like these do get alot of abuse from those too, who are willing to make up news stories.

reply to post by tim1989


Thanks - was still posting here is the rest

www.newyorker.com...

AND MORE HERE

www.wsws.org...

and here

www.globalresearch.ca...

of course you have seen this one ?

Originally posted by warrenb
let's face it, the US cannot in any way shape or form AFFORD another war of any kind. Bush's war in Iraq made sure of that.

Here, here, the USA is broke. In 4 weeks or so, the citizens of the USA have their own martial law to worry about.

Originally posted by ::.mika.::

Originally posted by Chevalerous



1. A reform friendly Islamic republic - with more personal freedom for the Iranian people in a more secular society with incresed women's right and a more open communication with the western world with :

The Mousavi-Rafsanjani-Karoubi reform friendly contingent?

mousavi ? that guy that was prime minister for khomeni between 81 and 89 ?

is that at the same time that iranian women were obliged to wear the burka ? not allowed to go university ?

maybe it was a different mousavi...

or maybe you should revise your knowledge of history before making such stupid statements (unless that was sarcastic !)

Don't be stupid!

Mousavi-Rafsanjani-Karoubi were hardliners during the revolution, and the ones who worked with the Reagan administration during the Iran-Contras scandal, that's true - Mousavi was no saint!

Now in later days they represent together with Khatami a more reform friendy development with freedom of expression, tolerance and civil society with open communications to the west - the are seen as the reformist of the Iranian society.

Khamenei and Ahmadinejad represent the ultra nationalistic & conservative Islamo-fascistic faction.

So pick your poison smarty-pants!

So maybe you should your revise corrupted knowledge of history before making such stupid statements - (unless that was sarcastic?)

Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by john124

 

whats the point of a video that only shows this guy zooming in and out of a google map?

no visuals of all the claims to go along with these statements of theirs (AGAIN).

the shadow's are at play as usual.

agreed, more
futile propaganda
by corrupted CNN

A history of US backed foreign coup d'états and operation TP-AJAX (IRAN)

www.abovetopsecret.com...



RE: CIA, Iran and the Election Riots - June 14, 2009
very good find audas!





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reply to: M157yD4wn

For your first point I'd say that this dissatisfaction has built up over time. Why not now??? Those who were born in 1979 or shortly after are reaching their 30th birthday soon. They just want a better life where they can have freedom of speech without getting beaten up or arrested by the secret police. I would say a great deal not been reported in the west about Iran until now due to ignorance, and that's the opinion of several Iranian's themselves. I have known about this kind of behaviour towards their own people for several years, I'm not surprised it's happening now, although has exponentially got worse. The MSM is finally forced into showing this, due to extremities of some of the violence. I know this only makes sense if you actually know people that live there. But you shouldn't make assumptions the other way, in you don't know, be on the fence would be my advice.

Revolutionary guards who have split have talked to the BBC and say they have regularly beaten women all the time, and are ashamed of it now. Check out the news story. news.bbc.co.uk...

If I source western news sources you call me a govt. agent, if I source alternate news sources others will say this is unreliable and quotes islamic regime propaganda. You really can't win on here!

OK your opinion is the revolution just came out of nowhere and this must have been instigated by westerners. Well my opinion is that this has been building up for years and the sham election was just a spark that got it going. You are basing a whole idealogy on one opinion that may be correct or incorrect, and you're just guessing. It's much different when you actually speak to Iranian's, you don't just guess, you get a more complete picture, and so make a more informed opinion.

Until you can provide evidence of western involvement, then it's logical to not make such assumptions at this point.

OK your 3rd point is ridiculous... it actually made me laugh and wonder about the mental health issues of some guys on here.

1. At no point did I say I was Iranian. I am British, English to be more exact. I have said that before. Identities on here are personal, and at no point have I asked anyone else who they are. So if anything I should be suspicious about what kind of lunatics would want to gain my personal details.... I mean people stuck in basements with mental health issues are surely more like to want to stalk people.
2. I said I have Iranian friends in Britain.
3. I said those Iranian friends have friends/family/contacts in Iran, who they have spoken to consistently throughout the past 2 weeks.
4. When I join and what I decide to post on is quite frankly none of your business. And whatever name people use on here is none of your business. Internet names do not have to be your real name!
5. You have your head so far up your a*se it's unbelievable!
6. Not everything is a conspiracy, in fact I would put it to you that most people are here just to spread news of what they are interested in, whether that be UFOs, 9/11 etc or just about what's going off in Iran. You have to agree Iran is unique in that part of the world, many Iranian's wear western clothes, enjoy pop music. If you look at Pakistan, they are nothing like westerners.
7. Actually I've been reading on this site on/off from around 3 years now, and I though I'd finally join up since I found not a lot of the Iranian protesting was being reported.
8. You'd think people would actually be grateful that people were interested in posting that kind of stuff in here. Maybe the sane people should leave you crackpots to your own devices! Like I said earlier I bet the crowd who think all ufos are aliens have probably chased away all reasonable sceptics, leaving them to congratulate themselves on how delusional they've become (sarcasm).
9. From your point of view everything perfectly innocent would also appear suspicious and so your fuelling paranoia. I'm sure that's how all delusions begin, people who can't distinguish reality from fiction.
10. You dare use the word critial thinking. My god man! Scientists use critical thinking! You insult anyone who uses critial thinking. You have delusions about everyone disagreeing with you being Jewish. At least be on the fence about Iran, otherwise you could make yourself look like a right fool!
11. Oh wait, you already have made yourself look like a right fool, so doing so again won't make much difference!
12. Do you really think if there were Israeli spies on here they would care about you. You are insignificant... look at you... you post on forums about spies coming after you. Nobody ever takes that stuff seriously so why would the govt. need to come after you even if you were correct about evil western govts.
13. Final comment - you are the rest of your chums who just make these wild speculations as though they had any real meaning are the biggest joke in society. I've asked for you to explain exactly what you mean in detail, you reply with arrogance that you just know it all. I've given many chances for you to at least try and convince me, and you haven't even bothered trying. Is it any wonder that the mainstream do not believe you! If you knew what critical thinking was, you'd use it to prove your case, instead of hiding away in your parents basements reading some opinions of a half-wit on some dodgy cheesy website who has convinced you of NWO nonsense. Use your time to actually prove it, not to congratulate yourself for being so smart, as until you actually figure out what you mean by blaming the NWO for everything, you are even more clueless than anyone who just takes all mainstream news as fact.

Anyway I can't be bothered to reply to anyone else with the same issues... please just read this generic comment for you all. And don't get upset if your precious conspiracy theories aren't true, the world has not ended, just get on with life and be happy!

edit: oh did I mention that you are pathetic, yes you! You are laughably pathetic!

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Originally posted by john124
Anyway I can't be bothered to reply to anyone else with the same issues... please just read this generic comment for you all. And don't get upset if your precious conspiracy theories aren't true, the world has not ended, just get on with life and be happy!

yes let us allow the shadow people to complete their agendas while we frolic in ignorant bliss, why bother resisting right? They own almost everything and everyone and set the rules of the game so ... resistance really is futile.

Originally posted by warrenb

Originally posted by john124
Anyway I can't be bothered to reply to anyone else with the same issues... please just read this generic comment for you all. And don't get upset if your precious conspiracy theories aren't true, the world has not ended, just get on with life and be happy!

yes let us allow the shadow people to complete their agendas while we frolic in ignorant bliss, why bother resisting right? They own almost everything and everyone and set the rules of the game so ... resistance really is futile.

Anyway it's true that conspiracy theorists are very much like religious people. They both claim to be open-minded, but in fact they are the most closed minded.

Their minds are so open, that their brain has fallen out!

If anyone isn't sure about Iran and you don't know any Iranians, my advice is be on the fence!

edit: sorry misread your comment in a rush

[edit on 25-6-2009 by john124]

[edit on 25-6-2009 by john124]

Originally posted by Chevalerous

Originally posted by ::.mika.::

Originally posted by Chevalerous



1. A reform friendly Islamic republic - with more personal freedom for the Iranian people in a more secular society with incresed women's right and a more open communication with the western world with :

The Mousavi-Rafsanjani-Karoubi reform friendly contingent?

mousavi ? that guy that was prime minister for khomeni between 81 and 89 ?

is that at the same time that iranian women were obliged to wear the burka ? not allowed to go university ?

maybe it was a different mousavi...

or maybe you should revise your knowledge of history before making such stupid statements (unless that was sarcastic !)

Don't be stupid!

Mousavi-Rafsanjani-Karoubi were hardliners during the revolution, and the ones who worked with the Reagan administration during the Iran-Contras scandal, that's true - Mousavi was no saint!

Now in later days they represent together with Khatami a more reform friendy development with freedom of expression, tolerance and civil society with open communications to the west - the are seen as the reformist of the Iranian society.

Khamenei and Ahmadinejad represent the ultra nationalistic & conservative Islamo-fascistic faction.

So pick your poison smarty-pants!

So maybe you should your revise corrupted knowledge of history before making such stupid statements - (unless that was sarcastic?)

In 1988, Mousavi called Israel "a cancerous tumor." In 1987, he attacked America as "the great satan." He's also called for author Salman Rushdie to be killed, branding him "a tool of zionists against Islam."


According to the Washington Post, Mousavi "pledged subservience" to Iran's current supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khameini, in 1989. He reportedly helped found the terrorist group Hezbollah and had close ties to Iran's intelligence services.

According to a 2007 IAEA report, Mousavi also played a lead role in establishing Iran's controversial nuclear program. He continues to support that nuke program today, and has yet to retract any of his past statements about America or Israel

Was responsible for putting to death 5,000 dissidents while primeminister


“[Moussavi] is far from being a liberal in the Western sense,” wrote Robert Worth in The New York Times on Wednesday. “And it is not yet clear how far he will be willing to go in defending the broad democratic hopes he has come to embody.”

Mousavi is a right wing stooge just like Amhedinejad - the CIA has merely used him as a PAWN - he is not responsible for the uprisings and fighting amongst yourselves over the two candidates is falling for the slight of hand......


Here are some facts about the election -
www.globalresearch.ca...

reply to post by john124


You have no-one to blame but yourself for your ignorance on matters that are obviously WAY over your level of understanding. Especially since you can verify everything I post, simply by Googling it.

John,If you hold this site in contempt as can be seen in your above comment-why do you post here?

You know what this site is about,its a mixture of every thing,not just black and white it has all the shades needed to create a rich tapestry of infomation

Sorry,I am not buying what your selling here.This whole things stinks and you dont have to be close to it to get that stench wafting around.

I am surprsied that a lot on ATS have fallen for this,they should know better!

Originally posted by SoulOrb

Originally posted by warrenb
let's face it, the US cannot in any way shape or form AFFORD another war of any kind. Bush's war in Iraq made sure of that.

Here, here, the USA is broke. In 4 weeks or so, the citizens of the USA have their own martial law to worry about.

Good ol' ATS, where martial law is always a few weeks away.

I think that the official mascot for the site should be that robot from lost in space. "Danger ATS, DANGER!"

how many times in this topic are you going to refer to shadows i lost count,

sometimes things are what they are and theres no conspiracy
reply to post by warrenb

Originally posted by twistingtree
sometimes things are what they are and theres no conspiracy

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/38f5f801e69e.jpg[/atsimg]

Nice horse blinders

Why is the world so ignorant to the fact that this is not rare, genocide has been going on in Dafur, Iraq, Afganistan and a whole plethora of other countries for ridiculous amounts of time, Why does it need to appear on a screen with the words "BREAKING NEWS" for anyone to give a s**t.

I had an American (And I in no way hold this against all americans) say to me a few days ago that they would rather see 1,000,000 INNOCENT iraqi citizens die that 1 American soldier...

Where is this mindless and barbaric way of thinking coming from? How are we ever going to enter into a consciousness evolution if we not only have people in the world willing to commit such acts but also people in the world who are happy to turn a blind eye because it doesn't affect their BMW or their Plasma TV.

I really am going mad over this, What can anyone do? Tell me!!! because God willing I'll do it!!!

[edit on 25-6-2009 by bonsaisert]

Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by john124

 

You have no-one to blame but yourself for your ignorance on matters that are obviously WAY over your level of understanding. Especially since you can verify everything I post, simply by Googling it.

You can verify them with what - dodgy websites devoted to false logic designed to manipulate halfwits.

To say you confirm everything you post, I've asked many times if they would explain what they post. But lo' behold it's the same line of "we know, you don't, nanananana"

I've read many of these dodgy sites, I do understand how they work!

You not being able to explain your theories is not my failing, you guys are saying you've figured it out logically, therefore the responsibility to persuade others about yor NWO theories is yours. After all you're making these claims.

I did say for people to be on the fence about Iran is perfectly fine, there are no correspondants on the streets to confirm what's happening. I did also say that IMO this lady is probably telling the truth. That's my opinion only. And I gave plenty of reasons why, unlike you guys. You are never taken seriously because you never provide any serious material with with to make informed opinions.

The majority of the content in favour of NWO is a wild guess. Yes a guess... as a theory actually requires you to explain what you mean. It has no more meaning than saying giant flying tomatoes inhabit the Moon. IMO you believe many many guesses because you probably want it to be true in some strange fashion.

A sceptic is a 'believers' friend in many ways, they help keep things rational.

FYI I have seen UFOs that have been unexplainable IMO. I do understand there is lots to discover on our planet that we just don't know yet, or has been kept hidden. Although I have yet to see any solid evidence whatsoever of alien-government interference, or NWO, or planned world wars, or planned population cuts or 2012 bogus claims etc.

The planning for this would be tremendous that there are such credible whistleblowers, yet none exist. There are credible whistleblowers for aliens visiting, so I go as far as saying that IMO yes we most likely have alien visitors, yes the govt. knows about them but knows very little. And the govts. don't say as they have very little to tell us.

The majority of sceptics would want physical evidence of such claims, and myself would require this to be absolutely sure!

OK, you may NWO without aliens... but this would still require and extraordinarily level of planning, and in this case no magic alien technology to help the govt. cover up everything.

Where is the anecdotal evidence for NWO, that many UFO sightings have...no please don't say there's lots, because I've already determined that they are bogus, mis-informed, lacking in logic or just made up completely. If you say you have some evidence which actually constitutes as proof, then by all means provide it...

I'm sure you may be thinking that covers up are plausible because aliens or the government has the tech. to cover stuff up from us, so we will never ever know about it. But the logic of using that every time is flawed, as it prevents distinguishing between fact and fiction. In a similar way people could attribute everything to god, and not see any reason to determine real causes.

So just to summarise: To begin with a premise that is assumed as true backed up with false evidence, lets say NWO. Then once assumed true, more false logic ensues as all evidence "must" point towards this goal, with all contradictory evidence ignored however great in magnitude.

So to base a large assumption, say it must be true, and connect all evidences that on their own say nothing really, and try and say this forms a picture, is completely ridiculous.

Another way to put it - A large group of inconclusive evidences does not constitute one solid proof.

Or a simpler way as many scientists put it for the half-wits... "A lot of bad evidence does not add up together to make one piece of good evidence, especially when there are many alternate explanations for each bad piece of evidence other than the claim made". Have you heard of Occam's razor, where the simplest explanation is the likliest, e.g. Is George Bush a reptilian because he smirks a lot and has cowboy tendencies, or is he just another flawed human being out of many........

Gordon Brown can't even sort out MP's expenses, almost every large planned operation has had some flaw, because human beings make mistakes! Where are the NWO mistakes for us to see..... I mean real mistakes, not more evidence aquired by bad uses of Occam's razor.

Sorry for having to explain this in simple terms for you... but you have no concept of how critical thinking operates.

Remember:

"poor evidence" + "poor evidence" + "poor evidence" etc = 'F' ALL!

reply to post by audas


Mousavi was one of the go betweens in the Republican ousting of the Democrats regarding the American Embassy affair and the Israeli/American weapon deals with Iran.

Khomeini’s approval meant the end of the initiative that Khamenei had outlined to Col. Scott, which was being pursued with Carter’s representatives in West Germany before Iraq launched its attack. Khomeini’s blessing allowed Rafsanjani, Karoubi and later Mousavi to proceed with secret contacts that involved emissaries from the Reagan camp and the Israeli government.

The Republican-Israeli-Iranian agreement appears to have been sealed through a series of meetings that culminated in discussions in Paris arranged by the right-wing chief of French intelligence Alexandre deMarenches and allegedly involving Casey, vice presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, CIA officer Robert Gates and other U.S. and Israeli representatives on one side and cleric Mehdi Karoubi and a team of Iranian representatives on the other.

Though the precise details of the October Surprise case remain hazy, it is a historic fact that Carter failed to resolve the hostage crisis before losing in a surprising landslide to Reagan and that the hostages were not released until Reagan and Bush had been sworn in on Jan. 20, 1981.

It also is clear that U.S. military supplies were soon moving to Iran via Israeli middlemen with the approval of the new Reagan administration.

In a PBS interview, Nicholas Veliotes, Reagan’s assistant secretary of state for the Middle East, said he first discovered the secret arms pipeline to Iran when an Israeli weapons flight was shot down over the Soviet Union on July 18, 1981, after straying off course on its third mission to deliver U.S. military supplies from Israel to Iran via Larnaca, Cyprus.

In the early 1980s, the players in Iran also experienced a shakeup. Bani-Sadr was ousted in 1981 and fled for his life; he was replaced as president by Khamenei; Mousavi was named prime minister; Rafsanjani consolidated his financial and political power as speaker of the Majlis; and Karoubi became a powerful figure in Iran’s military-and-foreign-policy establishment.

Besides tapping into stockpiles of U.S.-made weaponry, the Israelis also arranged shipments from third countries, including Poland, according to Israeli intelligence officer Ben-Menashe, who described his work on the arms pipeline in his 1992 book, Profits of War.

Since representatives of Likud had initiated the arms-middleman role for Iran, the profits flowed into coffers that the right-wing party controlled, a situation that created envy inside the rival Labor Party especially after it gained a share of power in the 1984 elections, Ben-Menashe said.

The Iran-Contra Case

Reagan’s National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane, who had close ties to the Israeli leadership, worked with Peres’s aide Amiram Nir and neocon intellectual (and NSC consultant) Michael Ledeen in spring 1985 to make contact with the Iranians.

Ledeen’s chief intermediary to Iran was a businessman named Manucher Ghorbanifar, who was held in disdain by the CIA as a fabricator but claimed he represented high-ranking Iranians who favored improved relations with the United States and were eager for American weapons.

Ghorbanifar’s chief contact, as identified in official Iran-Contra records, was Mohsen Kangarlu, who worked as an aide to Prime Minister Mousavi, according to Israeli journalist Ronen Bergman in his 2008 book, The Secret War with Iran.

However, Ghorbanifar’s real backer inside Iran appears to have been Mousavi himself. According to a Time magazine article from January 1987, Ghorbanifar “became a trusted friend and kitchen adviser to Mir Hussein Mousavi, Prime Minister in the Khomeini government.”

Earlier in the process, Ghorbanifar had dangled the possibility of McFarlane meeting with high-level Iranian officials, including Mousavi and Rafsanjani.

A Split Leadership

As Ben-Menashe describes the maneuvering in Tehran, the basic split in the Iranian leadership put then-President Khamenei on the ideologically purist side of rejecting U.S.-Israeli military help and Rafsanjani, Mousavi and Mehdi Karoubi in favor of exploiting those openings in a pragmatic way to better fight the war with Iraq.

(here we can see that the rift existed early between the two factions in Iran!)

The key decider during this period – as in the October Surprise phase – was Ayatollah Khomeini, who agreed with the pragmatists on the need to get as much materiel from the Americans and the Israelis as possible, Ben-Menashe said in an interview this week from his home in Canada.

Ben-Menashe said Rafsanjani and most other senior Iranian officials were satisfied dealing with the original (Likud) Israeli channel and were offended by the Reagan administration’s double game of tilting toward Iraq with military and intelligence support while also offering weapons deals to Iran via the second (Labor) channel.

The ex-Israeli intelligence officer said the Iranians were especially thankful in 1985-86 when the Likud channel secured SCUD missiles from Poland so Iran could respond to SCUD attacks that Iraq had launched against Iranian cities.

“After that (transaction), I got access to the highest authorities” in Iran, Ben-Menashe said, including a personal meeting with Mousavi at which Ben-Menashe said he learned that Mousavi knew the history of the Israeli-arranged shipments in the October Surprise deal of 1980.

Ben-Menashe quoted Mousavi as saying, “we did everything you guys wanted. We got rid of the Democrats. We did everything we could, but the Americans aren’t delivering [and] they are dealing with the Iraqis.”

In that account, the Iranian leadership in 1980 viewed its agreement to delay the release of the U.S. Embassy hostages not primarily as a favor to the Republicans, but to the Israelis who were considered the key for Iran to get the necessary military supplies for its war with Iraq.

Today, many of the same Iranian players are back at center stage in the election dispute, but it’s unclear what the power struggle might mean for President Barack Obama's desire to negotiate agreements on Iran's nuclear program and on broader Middle East peace.

www.consortiumnews.com...

Mousavi is best mate with the Israelis and the west!

Funny!

Originally posted by noangels
John,If you hold this site in contempt as can be seen in your above comment-why do you post here?

You know what this site is about,its a mixture of every thing,not just black and white it has all the shades needed to create a rich tapestry of infomation

Sorry,I am not buying what your selling here.This whole things stinks and you dont have to be close to it to get that stench wafting around.

I am surprsied that a lot on ATS have fallen for this,they should know better!

Fallen for what?

Definitely not critical thinking

There are differences between informed opinions and uninformed opinions, which are only a wild guess.

I did say to those who don't believe the CNN video, just stay on the fence. To jump over to the other side with such outlandish claims is actually quite comical.

I don't mind people having opinions alternate to mine, that's good. But when it gets to the stage of being accused of spreading dis-info just because they feel their opinion is definitely correct, that's out of order. And only recently have I decided the majority of people on here do this, as I joined quite recently. It's different from the outside when you just read and watch, you don't get people directly calling you Israeli agents

And for those people to say I must prove this video is accurate, yet while stating they know it isn't without any such proof is silly and insulting to anyone's intelligence.

Another point, I also feel I have personal proof of these atrocities from my own personal sources which cannot be confirmed on here. Again this gets attacked, why so paranoid? not everythings a conspiracy most of life is just plain normal and boring... and someone may actually telling the truth and not a dis-info agent as gets too easily labelled. It's quite possible the majority you lot label dis-info agents are just people telling their story, which is of course only opinionated when written on a forum.

Yet we see people calling this video BS, when they in fact cannot prove that. Just because someone cannot prove it's accurate, does not constitute as proof of BS. You would only be deluding yourself if you say you know that it is.

Therefore anyone who isn't on the fence is either delusional or has their own personal proof that they may wish or wish not to share. But don't just say oh I'm right because I say so kind of attitude, say what exactly makes you so determined you can prove to yourself what you are claiming, even though you may not be able to prove it on here.

If it's personal proof via friends then just accept it as it is, not as proof for anyone else, but just proof for that one person expressed as his opinion on this forum.

No more hypocrisy please you guys. And no jumping to such quick conclusions being so judgemental. I'm witnessing your behaviour first hand so I understand exactly what's going on.


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