Is this why the US dont intend to attack Nkorea

i think everyone can agree that Nkorea seems more aggresive than the US is in the ongoing Korean Crisis...this was somehow troubling me since I couldnt think of why a more aggresive US is not shown.

I found this link which is very interesting IMO..the Koreans were cunning enough to watch the US batlle around the world and learn how they could defeat them. NK knows it cant count on her Allies China and Russia and still they firmly beleive that in a total war scenario with the US they will prevail.

Here is the link, kindly read and post comments

N Korean war preparation

North Korea expects no help from China, Russia, or other nations in case of war with the US. It knows that it will be fighting the superpower alone. Nominally, China and Russia are North Korea's allies but neither ally is expected to provide any assistance to North Korea in case of war. Neither nation can or is willing to protect North Korea from attacks by the US, and North Korea alone can and will protect itself from US attacks. This principle of self-defense applies to all nations.

Donald Gregg, a former US ambassador to Seoul and a 30-year CIA veteran, has admitted that the US intelligence on North Korea has been the longest lasting story of failure in the annals of US intelligence. Gregg said that even the best spy gadget in the US arsenal cannot read what's on Kim Jong Il's mind. US Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said that North Korea uses underground optical fibers for military communication and that it is nearly impossible to plant human agents in North Korea.

The US commanders admit that North Korean soldiers are highly motivated and loyal to Kim Jong Il, and that they will fight well in case of war. Karl von Clausewitz said that people's support for war, military commanders' ability and power, and the political leadership are the three essentials for winning war. He failed to include the political indoctrination of the soldiers, which is perhaps more important than the other factors cited.

In September 1996, a North Korean submarine got stranded at Kangrung, South Korea, and its crew abandoned the ship. Eleven of the crew committed suicide and the rest fought to the last man except one who was captured. In June 1998, another submarine got caught in fishing nets at Sokcho and its crew killed themselves. Such is the fighting spirit of North Korean soldiers.

Thomas A Schwartz, a former US army commander in Korea, stated that the US army in Korea would be destroyed in less than three hours.

Why they tell us they have 6 nukes only???

Dr. Kim Myong Chul, an expert on Kim Jong Il's war plans, has recently confirmed that North Korea has more than 100 nukes including hydrogen bombs.

North Korea is no joke. You can bash their military all you want but the fact is like that article states our intelligence on just what their capabilities are is very weak.

reply to post by heineken


No, the ferocity of the North Koreans is not what is keeping the US from attacking them.

Thomas A Schwartz, a former US army commander in Korea, stated that the US army in Korea would be destroyed in less than three hours.

That is because a force of approximately 30,000 US troops would be trying to hold off 1,200,000 North Korean soldiers. They would be wiped out before the US would have a chance to get re-enforcements to the peninsula.

The US has fought fierce armies before. Look up how loyal the Japanese were in WWII. Very similar to the North Koreans of today.

In the end, all the ferocity in the world isn't going to outmatch the money that the US invests in training and equipment.

The reason that the US hasn't attacked is that there is nothing to gain and everything to lose at this point. If we attack, thousands if not millions of people are guaranteed to die. If we don't attack, there is only a chance of thousands of deaths. So at this point, there is no need to rush into it. If that many people are going to die either way, we may as well let NK cast the first stone.

It seems this administration is scared to take a real position on anything. I don't think we will do anything about past and ongoing nuclear tests or missile launches. So long as Obama has his prime time television shows he can't be bothered with it.

reply to post by Karlhungis


I can't say it any better than you did. I think your perception is spot on. Also believe it's a mistake to characterize NK as being too small to be important, as some have done on this site.

A trigger is still a trigger, no matter how small it is compared to the whole machine.

Originally posted by jackflap

It seems this administration is scared to take a real position on anything. I don't think we will do anything about past and ongoing nuclear tests or missile launches. So long as Obama has his prime time television shows he can't be bothered with it.

Silly person. Like Obama invented the 'hands off North Korea' doctrine....

You'll note that the US doesn't have a sterling history of late, of attacking people that can actually fight back with big guns. It's one thing to keep a sandbox going for Haliburton to play in, it's quite another to take on a nuclear power. Which is precisely why they have big guns.

i also beleive that neither Iraq nor Afganhistan are to be considered a true military opponent....that is why the US rushed towards invading

"Allah hu L-Akbar" aint no missle folks...I heard before NK's Army is huge and now I really beleive it is.

Im waiting to see what happens with that ship monitored..i'll think the US will bring up excuses and just back off

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by heineken

 

No, the ferocity of the North Koreans is not what is keeping the US from attacking them.

Thomas A Schwartz, a former US army commander in Korea, stated that the US army in Korea would be destroyed in less than three hours.

That is because a force of approximately 30,000 US troops would be trying to hold off 1,200,000 North Korean soldiers. They would be wiped out before the US would have a chance to get re-enforcements to the peninsula.

The US has fought fierce armies before. Look up how loyal the Japanese were in WWII. Very similar to the North Koreans of today.

In the end, all the ferocity in the world isn't going to outmatch the money that the US invests in training and equipment.

The reason that the US hasn't attacked is that there is nothing to gain and everything to lose at this point. If we attack, thousands if not millions of people are guaranteed to die. If we don't attack, there is only a chance of thousands of deaths. So at this point, there is no need to rush into it. If that many people are going to die either way, we may as well let NK cast the first stone.

LOL That's the entire point our country is BANKRUPT! We don't have the money for another major conflict.

Originally posted by heineken
i also beleive that neither Iraq nor Afganhistan are to be considered a true military opponent....that is why the US rushed towards invading

"Allah hu L-Akbar" aint no missle folks...I heard before NK's Army is huge and now I really beleive it is.

Im waiting to see what happens with that ship monitored..i'll think the US will bring up excuses and just back off

But Iraq had the 5th largest army in the world! LOL.

reply to post by Zosynspiracy

LOL That's the entire point our country is BANKRUPT! We don't have the money for another major conflict.

We don't have the money for another *relatively* minor conflict. I am positive that we have all we need for a major conflict.. as in THE MAJOR CONFLICT. You are kidding yourself if you think that money would deter the chickenhawks from kicking off WWIII. That would be the global reset button for the dying economy. I am sure there are plenty of people doing everything in their powers to make it happen. Looking at how things are playing out, it appears as if they got their way and are just waiting for the pieces to line up.

Wow..watch this...

Wed - 26/06/09 - NK threathen to wipe US off the map

North Korea threatens to wipe the United States off the map

"If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," the official Korean Central News Agency said.

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy

Originally posted by heineken
i also beleive that neither Iraq nor Afganhistan are to be considered a true military opponent....that is why the US rushed towards invading

"Allah hu L-Akbar" aint no missle folks...I heard before NK's Army is huge and now I really beleive it is.

Im waiting to see what happens with that ship monitored..i'll think the US will bring up excuses and just back off

But Iraq had the 5th largest army in the world! LOL.

Come on...Iraqis buyed tanks, weapons etc...but these need soldiers to be used...

But the Iraqi army suffered from "poor leadership and an overly rigid command structure," according to GlobalSecurity.org. There was a lack of clear orders, instances where army units abandoned strategic positions, low morale among commanding officers – and there was mutiny. At one point in the Iraq-Iran war, the number of deserters reached 100,000, according to unverified Iraqi dissident reports. "Many soldiers refused to fight in Kurdistan, and many more joined the armed Kurdish resistance movement."

Iraqis Army in the 90's

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
You'll note that the US doesn't have a sterling history of late, of attacking people that can actually fight back with big guns. It's one thing to keep a sandbox going for Haliburton to play in, it's quite another to take on a nuclear power. Which is precisely why they have big guns.

Yeah, the US Army in Korea sucks. They might as well just throw their weapons down and surrender at the first sight of an armed NK Soldier.

One thing none of the ATS rocket scientists here are taking into account is that NK really doesn't give a crap who they kill in a war. US Soldiers, SK Soldiers, SK civilians, US dependants. They are all legit targets and will die in an attack. Their ROEs are a bit different than what the US will fight with.

The guys that I've spoken to that were stationed in Korea with the 2ID know that they are "speed bumps" that are going to fight like tigers and hope for support that will coming soon. Hold the line to make sure the civilians get to safety.

Originally posted by heineken

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy

Originally posted by heineken
i also beleive that neither Iraq nor Afganhistan are to be considered a true military opponent....that is why the US rushed towards invading

"Allah hu L-Akbar" aint no missle folks...I heard before NK's Army is huge and now I really beleive it is.

Im waiting to see what happens with that ship monitored..i'll think the US will bring up excuses and just back off

But Iraq had the 5th largest army in the world! LOL.

Come on...Iraqis buyed tanks, weapons etc...but these need soldiers to be used...

But the Iraqi army suffered from "poor leadership and an overly rigid command structure," according to GlobalSecurity.org. There was a lack of clear orders, instances where army units abandoned strategic positions, low morale among commanding officers – and there was mutiny. At one point in the Iraq-Iran war, the number of deserters reached 100,000, according to unverified Iraqi dissident reports. "Many soldiers refused to fight in Kurdistan, and many more joined the armed Kurdish resistance movement."

Iraqis Army in the 90's

I was being sarcastic I agree with you. Iraq was a complete and utter joke as far as a formidable military adversary. I would hope to god that we would have demolished them militarily in a few days. The story is completely different with North Korea. I mean NK actually HAS weapons of mass destruction i.e. chemical and biological weapons. Scarier and much more portable than nuclear weapons in my opinion.

the Nkorea affair is a tv show..
The thing is going to be Israel and Iran issue ..

anti christ, fall of the vatikan, the fluoride conspiracy.
They know whats coming and all this shait is an put-on show just for us, to forget what is about to happend to all of us ..

Originally posted by Karlhungis
We don't have the money for another *relatively* minor conflict. I am positive that we have all we need for a major conflict.. as in THE MAJOR CONFLICT. You are kidding yourself if you think that money would deter the chickenhawks from kicking off WWIII.

I disagree because a true global conflict would be devastating. These 'little wars'...brush fires...make the big boys a ton of dough and there's no draft so their kids stay out of the conflict. Jolly little wars that are good for the economy.

Just the same, let's keep the chicken hawks away from the button.

reply to post by heineken


And just how advanced do you think North Korea's military is? A country that can't feed its people and is completely isolated. North Korea spends less on its military than Norway, yet their military is quite a bit larger. So, per soldier their spending is even less.

North Korea is a formidable foe because they have been preparing for this for a long, long time. They are entrenched but they are far from invincible.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
You'll note that the US doesn't have a sterling history of late, of attacking people that can actually fight back with big guns.

Yeah, the US Army in Korea sucks. They might as well just throw their weapons down and surrender at the first sight of an armed NK Soldier.

Oh puleeze...obviously I'm not impugning the American soldier. And North Korea has big guns and nothing to lose. That will keep the US out of any conflict shy of an invasion of the South.

Of course, I suppose somebody could have invaded the north looking for weapons of mass destruction. Only problem is, they'd have found them.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by heineken

 

And just how advanced do you think North Korea's military is? A country that can't feed its people and is completely isolated. North Korea spends less on its military than Norway, yet their military is quite a bit larger. So, per soldier their spending is even less.

North Korea is a formidable foe because they have been preparing for this for a long, long time. They are entrenched but they are far from invincible.

And America is far from invincible as well. None of us are claiming a war with NK isn't winnable or that America wouldn't be able to defeat them. But it would not be pretty and it would be a war that America probably couldn't stomach. Plus, Kim Jong Il should have been taken out years ago and could have. There is a reason NK is still around making threats.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by heineken

 

And just how advanced do you think North Korea's military is? A country that can't feed its people and is completely isolated. North Korea spends less on its military than Norway, yet their military is quite a bit larger. So, per soldier their spending is even less.

North Korea is a formidable foe because they have been preparing for this for a long, long time. They are entrenched but they are far from invincible.

did you at least read the link i posted?

the NK is far from being fed as your Media tell you...they have been eating and not only that...stocking food for the incoming war