Undeniable non-fake UFO footage in Amsterdam

Originally posted by zorro2world
reply to post by jeasahtheseer

 

Lets just say....I want to believe !
Cheers.

hehe yeah i didnt mean that post to sound rude i was just wondering. im pretty much the same way im really skeptical about most this stuff but I WANT to believe it.

jeas

So I started this thread a while back. Everyone was screaming CGI, but now I'm kinda thinking it's real. www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by downtown436


Well after reading this thread, everyone is still saying fake. I don't know.

This is bad CGI. I work with VFX every day, and this is clearly fake. Unfortunately for the UFO community...

Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by downtown436

 

Well after reading this thread, everyone is still saying fake. I don't know.

I don't know either... But like someone said in your thread:

Originally posted by zorgon

Funny thing I hear that said a lot...

"...looks to good to be real"...

I also hear a lot

"its to blurry, can't someone hold the camera still and get a clear shot?"


So what exactly ARE we going to consider worthy? And what exactly will we use as a comparison to say what such a capture SHOULD look like

If its fuzzy, its a balloon
If its clear its CGI

And if it's only one person, there should be more reports. If it's multiple videos, they probably worked together... So I guess in the end, it'll all be discarded and be thought of as fake.

This will be my last topic made based on UFO sightings. I'll let other people do their own work about this stuff, and I won't bother finding different perspectives of the same event.

reply to post by vasaga


And if you believe it to be real and others think it a hoax... then they're just being killjoys or disinfo agents or brainwashed skeptics or whatever other term you apply to people who don't agree with your point of view...

Perspective is a wonderful thing

reply to post by vasaga


Yeah, exactly. If the vid is too clear....CGI. If it is too steady.....CGI. If it is not steady, "WHY DIDN'T HE HAVE A TRIPOD??". If it is too blurry, it's CGI or a bird.

If it looked like the flying saucer from the movie independence day, it would be CGI except for the people who actually saw it, who would then be classified as lunatics.

There will be no UFO vid that proves anything, ever. There will have to be gov't disclosure, which I don't think will ever happen, because they will lose their power.

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Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by vasaga

 

except for the people who actually saw it, who would then be classified as lunatics.

There will be no UFO vid that proves anything, ever.

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you stated so nicley so i had to drop a quick line, there is many evidence of ufos in vids, as the STS dont remember the numbers of em, but lol there is and its surely not ice, but these are fakes made of 1 or 2 ppl, i had a friend to see them and listen to the voices he sais its the same persoons hes a dutch guy, so i doubt thats real, well im still waiting to see the holy grail

It looks fake to me

I think I found the videographer. Meet Ruud Schoenmakers from the Netherlands also
known as Ruud485. It's clear to me he is the one who taped the four videos along with
his friends. My opinion: The whole thing is a joke, the videos are CGI of the same looped
light as I explained before.

Is this now a dead or alive wanted poster?? well know we now how the pranksters look like, serisously they had fun with the ppl, the karma will get them back

Doesn't feel right.

No reflection in anything (although it could be too far back). Also, video three, about 1:08-1:10 it seems to warp slightly. By warp I mean it sort of unrealistically jumps from one spot to another.... about a millimetre if you're watching the video in the window. It's not so much the fact that it does this, but that it looks like a video glitch and slightly unnatural.

Just my take on it without reading the last four pages of comments. I will now read them

When you spend hours looking at UFO footage you tend to know when it's CGI and this is CGI.

My opinion but i believe it's correct.

That is why any flashing lights etc, I allways automatically say BUNK!

Do you know how easy it would be to get some of those cheap flashy light balls, take the flashy light part out, stick them in a bunch of clear heluim baloons and let them go???

That alone is to easy to fake... if it is 40 feet above you, HUGE and conrete, not just LIGHT, then I believe it....

These videos are classic CGI. Look at the third video, and betwwen 1:07 and 1:08, you can see the "UFO" shift from the right to the left slightly.

Originally posted by free_spirit
I think I found the videographer. Meet Ruud Schoenmakers from the Netherlands also
known as Ruud485. It's clear to me he is the one who taped the four videos along with
his friends. My opinion: The whole thing is a joke, the videos are CGI of the same looped
light as I explained before.

I have photos of this guy at the 'End User Event' 3d conference at the end of May this year in Utrect Holland (The Netherlands) sitting on my drive right now. I've just checked again and it sure as hell looks like the same bloke! Now if you remember I did mention earlier in the thread that I'd over heard 'talk' while teaching a masterclass there. (In fact I'm 75% certain he asked me some questions between classes.) So looks like we have about as much proof as your going to get of a fake.

Why would a witness/person who doesn't do 3d / CGI be at a conference for it? As I don't own the photos (and could get into some hot water if I post them online) I'll pass them on to Springer so he can verify one way or another its the same guy. As I have to be really careful about copywrite of the photos taken at the end user event.

Wayne...



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OK I've sent the image on to Springer who can confirm or deny its the same dude.

Sure as hell looks the same to me and if so then its game over for this hoax.

Wayne...

Kudos to you, OP - I admire someone here that attempts to follow a logical criteria for sightings, which include multiple witness/ videos, esp of the same craft....even on different times. If we catch this thing in different locales, then you really have something. I admit, I would rather the flash and warp engine 'engage' be absent...but doesn't make it any less likely to be real. Hope to see more on this...I'm with you on the good proof tip, especially if noone can prove that this is all CGI.

and to answer your question about "when will there be enough evidence"...for some, OJ is and has always been innocent....stick to your guns, babe.

So much for the title of this thread.

I just wondered how much is CGI? I mean in contrast to another poster, the light flashes actually look more real than the object itself which looks more the CGI bit.It doesn't seem round,more Triangular, yet it seems to be revolving?? I do think it a setup though,and a waste of their/our time.