Undeniable non-fake UFO footage in Amsterdam

The first video is so obviously fake how could anyone fall for it? It's not even a good fake tbh I've seen much better.

This for example.

On the third video, when the guy zooms in, you can see that it's a spinning triangle. Thats why we get the impression that it is spinning when looking at it from far away, because it is a triangle, rather than an oval.
Then it just disappears while the guy is filming! Some kind of temporal inter-dimensional displacement! They really don't sit in any one spot for very long it appears.
Then he even turns to someone like "do you see that" kind of thing, and the guy is like "yeah" and they have a short conversation on it. Looks pretty convincing, and captured from multiple angles.

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I'm Dutch, and my intuitions says it's a CGI job. It's not only because the vid's look like a CGI manipulation but the tone in their voices (when they comment on the alleged UFO) suggests to me they are 'acting'.

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Your thread title makes quite a bold statement considering the videos are junk

I can understand creating things like this for a project. But to pass them off as real? Why? I just do not get it. Although there has been cases in which CGI has created these object with no harm intended, merely as a project for school, and someone else took the video and claimed it was real. (Haiti UFO?) It looked great. If it was real...it was the Holy Grail of ufology. But sadly someone got their dirty paws on it and tried to pass it off as a legit extraterrestrial aircraft.

Lame
Obvious hoax. Bad cgi, bad acting, a C-Movie production.

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When lying little children stop posting hoaxed videos to YouTube, then it will be a whole lot easier to sift through what remains to find a real extraterrestrial craft.

I think that any image processed by computer should have some kind of meta tag that cannot be removed. Everything should be tagged so you can see exactly what has been done to an image. Every pixel sharpened, every pixel blurred, every resize or resample should be documented and saved with the image so everyone can read the rap sheet. All animation done on computer should have the same permanent unremoveable tags.

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I am thinking that one of the main problems with most sightings is the age old argument that "someone else must have seen it" and "why are there no other reports".

This set of video footage is a strong footing on the aforementioned argument, but, are there any other reports?

I presume that this guy got together with some friends to battle these precise points, by shooting the scene from several points around the city and then, together, adding the CGI.

It looks to me like CGI but I wont proclaim to be an expert.

Regards S_G

This is very convincing. I reckon the flash has been added in though but the rest is real. The flash could be the disinfo part! Think about it.

reply to post by groingrinder
your right there.

Originally posted by vasaga
reply to post by Chadwickus

 

I know you guys are into conspiracies but come on...

At least watch the third video, and try to look from the beginning between the two buildings. The object is already there from the start, but the guy didn't see it yet.

Just never mind -.- Nothing will ever be enough, unless one lands in one's own back yard.

People on ATS know UFO's are real so them being skepcticle about this doesn't mean they do not believe, but it means that they are rational skecpticle minds that query everything.

I personaly believe all those vids are by the same guy.

sheers

What is fascinating is not whether it is fake or not - it is the resilience of believers to believe and the fakers to keep attempting.

I wonder why a bunch of talented computer professionals would want to waste so much time over and over again ? It's not that they are doing any mind blowing CGI which is changing the way the world thinks - instead they get ridiculed for their shoddy CGI work or get found out that it was a fake job.

now why on earth,no pun, would someone want to enjoy this experience?

On the other hand - what is it with the UFO's ? Why do they always show up when no one's watching ? Why not prime time bang in the middle of times Square ?

So my request would be to stop uploading fake stuff, and I am guessing leave the ET work to SETI - if aliens exist we'll know, if they don't we'll still know.

For now, lets just be at peace knowing that mathematically,theoretically, we cannot be alone in this universe.

i personaly dont see whats so non fake about this to me it really looks like cgi and just cause its several people doesn't change anything. it could have been the same guy that filmed all the vids or he had buddies all over town that filmed them then added the cgi who knows. but to me it looks like cgi but who knows thats just my opionon.

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Originally posted by zorro2world
What is fascinating is not whether it is fake or not - it is the resilience of believers to believe and the fakers to keep attempting.

I wonder why a bunch of talented computer professionals would want to waste so much time over and over again ? It's not that they are doing any mind blowing CGI which is changing the way the world thinks - instead they get ridiculed for their shoddy CGI work or get found out that it was a fake job.

now why on earth,no pun, would someone want to enjoy this experience?

On the other hand - what is it with the UFO's ? Why do they always show up when no one's watching ? Why not prime time bang in the middle of times Square ?

So my request would be to stop uploading fake stuff, and I am guessing leave the ET work to SETI - if aliens exist we'll know, if they don't we'll still know.

For now, lets just be at peace knowing that mathematically,theoretically, we cannot be alone in this universe.

no offense but you don't seem that interested in ufos/aliens so why are you sitting on a ufo forum? lol

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Cool post....I don't need to be convinced . But some people won't believe even if it hits them in the face . Keep up the good work.

s&f

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Lets just say....I want to believe !
Cheers.

The flash in the first video is just absurd. It is obvious there was no genuine light source there as nothing else gets illuminated.

As for the other videos... persistence and bad acting if you ask me.

Originally posted by groingrinder
er to sift through what remains to find a real extraterrestrial craft.

I think that any image processed by computer should have some kind of meta tag that cannot be removed. Everything should be tagged so you can see exactly what has been done to an image. Every pixel sharpened, every pixel blurred, every resize or resample should be documented and saved with the image so everyone can read the rap sheet. All animation done on computer should have the same permanent unremoveable tags.

Its a good idea but for one fatal flaw that has nothing to do with cgi ufo videos. These file formats have to used by professionals like myself and file sizes can already be huge for a single fully textured high res model (we're talking gigs of data here, not Mb's.)

So if every thing done to a model was recorded the file sizes would be astronomical as a result. It's be bad enough for any hard surface models, but for organic digital sculpts it'd be impossible.... there can be thousands of small changes in a hour of work alone each affecting any one of millions of vertexes.

So good idea, but it wouldn't work as it stands as to be frank the world of fake UFOs isn't that important to the makers of the software. Meta tags can always be removed and most file type already contain ones of one type of another. The moment you start transferring from one file type to another like a rendered cgi animation to video formats all meta data would either be lost or have to be transferred...and that would being it own problems with proprietary file formats.

Wayne...

PS for the record I'm a profesional 3d artist with a very good name who acts as consultant to a number of large film fx houses, game firms and software application makers. (Springer can act as my proof on those counts.) So yes its fake....I'd say very obviously so in fact.



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i wish i could do some CGI, i dont understand that i cant lol even photoshop, how pathetic is that, if i want some nice avatar or siggy made i have to ask a friend

The words "Undeniable" and "non-fake" were put in the thread title for shock value only.
It's a way to drive traffic to the thread. IMO thread titles like this are a problem around here because they polarize the community and bury good discussions which have real debates going on within them.

This also has been posted already.