Are the soldiers who protect America bad?

reply to post by killuminati2012


So well said!!! Star for you!

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint


Furthermore, I think the typical person in the US military is rather arrogant. They think that they are the only reason why America as we know it exists. I am not "free" because of today's military. I do not live a comfortable lifestyle because of today's military. The military has done nothing to help the average American in the last 50 years.

OK, this is the part where I start to throw up. You cannot for real be thinking like this. You have absolutely no idea whatsoever how much the military does at all. They will do more in a day to help "US" than you will do in your lifetime. Can I back that up? you bet your ass I can. try me.

I still remember the day my hero came home; a flag draped coffin, which we found out later, contained nothing more than his boots and partial legs, plus his dog tags (sand bags added to match his body weight). As I held the glove at his funeral he had left in our room the night my ‘superman’ helicopter pilot stepbrother had played his last game of cards with me (He always made me draw a card for whatever tomfoolery he wanted to involve me in), before he left at 0530 hrs the next morning for his second tour in Vietnam, I could still remember his excuses for his fellow American’s throwing bags of dog excrement and jars of red paint on returning soldiers; I could still remember his fierce pride as he stated: “Duty is not based on what others think, duty is what we owe for freedom.” I never forgot that; I never for got his forgiveness of the redhead who threw such horrors on MY hero, and I never forgot that is the moment he decided to enter the officers training program.

Duty and honor, courage and fidelity; concepts foreign to the vast majority of Americans, but burned with the firebrands of hell into the souls of combat soldiers, veterans. Who are we? We are your brothers, sisters, mothers and dads, we are you neighbors, friends and the cripple you stare at in public, and we are you.

We are nothing more than a reflection of the nation that sent us, we are those you call on to do what you cannot imagine and depend on not to fail. We are the shield you have your Sunday church picnics under, we are the sword that is sent to defeat dictators and evil throughout the world, we are those who stand in a hail of bullets and refuse to be moved because we remember that freedom is not free. We are American fighting men and women, the blood we shed, we shed for you.


[edit on 6/19/2009 by SGTChas]

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint


Furthermore, I think the typical person in the US military is rather arrogant. They think that they are the only reason why America as we know it exists. I am not "free" because of today's military. I do not live a comfortable lifestyle because of today's military. The military has done nothing to help the average American in the last 50 years.

Seriously dude, you have got to be kidding me!! The typical person in the military comes from a lower income family. There are a great majority who serve to help them go to college and improve themselves. You hear the views of a few service members and assume that is representative of all service members. The young people in the military are a representative cross section of young people all over the country. Are you saying the typical young person is arrogant???

reply to post by SGTChas


was that you, or is that written somewhere? Whichever, it speaks volumes to the truth of our country and our Military. Thank you.

reply to post by SGTChas


I'm so sorry you lost your hero...

Really guys, I'm not in here to hate on any of you, I'm just trying to make the point that somewhere down the line the military became about protecting the interests of the rich instead of protecting our freedom. When there are threads that get action started on ATS fearing that the US military will start gunning down her own civilian brothers like they do in China, it becomes an even bigger concern.

Once again they will do as they're ordered to protect the rich.

reply to post by network dude


It was me, as I sit here with torn body and scars for my memories, I remember all those I have survived; I remember a little black man from Alabama that gave his life that I might live, I remember holding him in my arms as his life poured into the ground, I remember refusing orders because I was not a NAZI, and I remember my oath.

This I will defend; I may not have the technological advantage, I may not have the backing of all the American people, but I have my honor, and I have my duty, and with the dying breath in my body I will defend the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. My blood I give for you.

reply to post by SGTChas

That was awesome. You have a way with words. Your feelings are tangible. I am so sorry for your loss. For our loss.

Network Dude, great post! S+F from me man
Of course we aren't bad (even you Chairforce guys ) . As you said, we sacrifice more for our country than our country does. Do we all agree with the way our government is run, no. But somone has to do it.

"Are the soldiers who protect America bad?" Nah just the ar**Holes who command them!

reply to post by network dude


I have nothing against the individual soldier of the military. They are all people with names and family and friends etc. They are and have always been PAWNS in an ignorant, arogant and selfrighteous game for greed, power and control. What the saddest thing is about this whole scenario is that alot of people volunteer for this! Not only giving up their freedom of independent thought, but adding to the one and only dangers that stand in the way of human progression. Fear, creating social compartmentalism and tempting Self Destruction! The last thing this planet needs right now is continued division.
There will be no world unity with continued militarization of this world.
If your in the military, when you are old and frail, looking back, how will you be able to say that you contributed to the progression of humanity? Why else are you alive, but to build apon the positives of the past and to prepare the future generations to do the same of the present.
People should think about this before considering military service.
Thankyou for this thread. Its given me a chance to clear up the percieved negativity I think I had in that last thread and allowed me to direct my disappointment in the right direction.

after reading everyones thread here, you all are missing the point about the military. The Neo-cons are brilliant and have/will blindside everyone with the "marching orders".. BLACKWATER is a great way to bypass all laws, rights, and media. It is a huge operation!!!! I am amazed at the lack of insight by the media. professional mercenaries are in place, from chile, columbia, mexico, and us... navy seals, special forces, rangers are all employed AND paid a very handsome amount of money $655 per day for the typical grunt... and they are hiring like crazy right now. I am truely amazed how much veterans are being hired for services. the typical us soldier has too much "rule of engagement" to be used... mercenaries are free to do whatever... look at New orleans.. there were incidents there... keep your eyes open for this push..

If you are an American living in this country and ever show disrespect or dishonor an American Service Man or Women in a uniform in public you had better pray to GOD himself that I do not see you do it! THERE IS NO EXCUSE ON EARTH FOR THAT. NOT ONE. The reason you walk free is because of that uniform, not because of some fat ass or lazy life congressman or senator hiding behind their creditials. The men and women that wear that uniform earned the right to wear it. You that curse them may do so because of what they do!

PROTECT YOU!

Whether you peons know this or not, there is a war being fought everyday to keep this country safe. Wars that the msm dare not mention but are as real as the air we breathe.

Imagine this! ( A young girl gets pregnant and has a child at a very young age, disfunctional family, welfare, can not even take care of herself, decides to give the baby up for adoption. 20 years later a war breaks out, the mother is a protester of a serious war threatening these very shores. Somehow, the protesters get close to a parade of flag drapped coffins being escorted straight to the White House. The coffins are different this time and have pictures of the fallen and all of the medals of these fallen heros on them. The protesters keep scapping and spit on the coffins and finally, the mother gets knocked into one and it hits the ground in front of 100,000 people and the rest of the world. The parade stops in it's tracks, the mother is speechless and then begins to weep tears from the depth of her soul, her life being changed for ever in a second after she realized she just spat on the coffin of her dead HERO son.)

JUST DON'T EVER LET ME SEE YOU DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Semper Fi,

Eye of Eagle

" There are men in the shadows of the men in the shadows and we are watching them. "

Excellent job. Your spot on network dude. I couldn’t have said it any better than that.

I would like to thank any military members, including past, present, or future.

It is people like YOU who allow the rest of us to go on with our daily life's.

You allow us to live in a super power country that reaps economical benefits, travel benefits, cultural benefits, safety benefits, and a "nation under one" type ideal. There are many other bonuses that people can not see.

Those who are against the military are usually extremists, and I have no respect for most of them. They do not see the pros and cons of things in life, yet only one blind side.

While I respect the average worker just as much as a soldier, because both do fine jobs in society, I just want to let you know you all have my moral support (and tax dollars).

If ANYONE talks down to you veterans, it is because someone is on their high chair and they need to be kicked off - preferably by you. The world is not fully of pot smoking hippies...it is filled with gun shooting hippies, and those hurt.

To add...not everyone can be a leader. In fact, there are such few real "leaders" in the world...when it comes to a job or career, most of us are followers - soldier or not.

Traditionally, all soldiers have been used as fodder in unjust wars that have nothing at all to do with America's freedom, except in one war. Only once were U.S. soldiers required to defend their country, and that was in the attack on Pearl Harbour.

Soldier's are not bad, they are simply people following orders handed down from those who seek absolute control.

Look at Gallipoli in WW1, when Australian and New Zealand troops were continuosly ordered over the top into walls of enemy fire, as the English Officers sipped their tea or alcohol and thought nothing of the huge number of lives lost for absolutely nothing but the military way of thinking.

It is not the soldier who is to blame, he is just doing a job. That the job is extremely dangerous in other countries is understood. That the job entails death and destruction of other human beings, is understood. That the job causes innapropriate or callous behaviours in such young men, is a given. That the job entails fighting for the freedom of a homeland thousands of miles away is a Fraud.

We don't blame the person serving us our take-away food for poor service, we take it up with management. So we should also do in this case.

If you don't want war then change the mindset of your nation, one person at a time until you have a new form of open government that is not intent on holding control in foreign nations nor playing World Police.

And lastly, do not yell hateful abuse at those who returned from duty. My dad is a Viet-nam vet, and he was emotionally hurt to the core with his treatment on arriving back here in Oz. It is something he cannot forgive his fellow contrymen for, ever. It effected him so much he could not function in our normal society for the larger part of his adult life. At 70, he is still carrying the scars of what he saw and experienced in the bush of south east asia, and that has festered more by the treatment once at home.

So please, give the returned soldier your love as a human being to another and understanding instead of hatred.

reply to post by Tayesin


You need to brush up on your history. There have been three times that the US military has defended US soil. The Revolutionary War (as we consider the birth of the nation to have occurred on July 4th, 1776), the War of 1812 (the British set fire to the White House during this conflict), and of course WWII (Pearl Harbor).

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Now let's look at the modern military. It's a volunteer force. You have to make a conscious decision that you want to be in the armed forces to get in today. You sign the papers, get a contract deal, it's a job. The big difference is, the point of any military is to kill people. And here you are, volunteering to do just that.
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If you're volunteering to be a conquistador, you deserve all the slings and arrows that may come your way.

[edit on 19-6-2009 by TheWalkingFox]

I think you are forgetting one thing. Maybe I'm wrong but...

Aren't a great majority of recruits very young? Like, right out of high school young? I don't know about you, but I sure didn't think (in high school) the military was "volunteering to be a conquistador." (still don't now).

In high school, it was about friends, parties, football games, girls, w/e (not just that, but) ....It was certainly NOT "the govt is evil, we are brainwashed, the president is a puppet..." It was only once I got out of high school, went to college, and just matured overall that I began to pay more attention to things like that. I NEVER saw the military that way, and I certainly knew nothing about any NWO or knew very little about how the Fed. Reserve worked. Why? I didn't care then!!! What I was gonna do with my life after school was more important to me than thinking that our marines we saw on tv were evil??

How can you expect an 18 year old out of public high school to be so concerned about those issues?

(And this is just a generalization here, not all high schoolers are all about partying and what not. But I do believe, by experience, that not a lot are really big into politics and that sort of thing. Face it, if you are, you're probably not considering joining the marines or army...)

Maybe I'm wrong, and not all kids are like that, but I do think the idea behind what I said holds some water here.

reply to post by maddogron


Here is some current issues with the NEW force in iraq, but also guess what Blackwater has now changed its name (rebranding) to get away from the bad press..."Industry sources said Xe, the new name for Blackwater, has been operating through front companies in Iraq. They said Xe continues to supply foreign security guards to protect a range of sites connected to the U.S. military. The company was also expected to provide some security services to U.S. diplomatic personnel until September 2009.

www.worldtribune.com...

Well I didn't read all of the thread but my brother died in iraq and I've had 2 friends who died there and no, they were not "bad". as matter of fact all 3 of them didn't even support the war but they where in the marines before all this even started, so they had to go.

and yes i do agree with most of you guys the military and army... ect nowadays more are there to protect the interests of the rich and elite rather than freedom.



[edit on 20-6-2009 by jeasahtheseer]