I am a Military Recruiter and would like to clear up some misconceptions.

When recruiters retire, they can always get a job with Billy Mays or with the other guy who sells Sham-Wows.

Sales/recruitment is an learned art, a skill...like acting, kickboxing, bowling or even circus acrobatics.

Yet, When you can awe an audience, defeat a strong opponent, play the perfect game or walk a tightrope now that is TALENT. Manipulating a young, lost, poor post-teen youngin to be part of a killing machine doesn't take and special skill or talent it takes a loss of soul and humanity and a sheer aptitude for the ability to MANIPULATE the weak.

How proud you must be.

[edit on 24-6-2009 by suzque66]

Originally posted by pudgeego


you are a liar. you say that you do not force people in the military. so what was viet nam. people had to go there and do not tell me they were not forced. liar , liar in a war situation you get drafted. now dont tell me that is not being forced. also, you cannot tell me that you do not have a quota system.

I just about spit my coke out reading this...seriously...this is 2009 so come out of the 60s and 70s. I would bet this recruiter wasn't even alive back then...man some people.

But yes it was a draft back then put forth by the president and congress.

if you only got few people enlisted you yourself would not look good and then you would get sent to some crappy post later.you are a representative of the armed forces , you cannot tell me that this is not true either. you would lie your aaa off to get what you wanted.

And you would know anything about the military?

There is a percentage of a population in any area that would normally join and so recruiters do know what kind of numbers they are looking for to join and they work to meet those numbers as a goal, but not as some kind of quota, but then who would even care if they had some kind of quota for it really wouldn't change anything.

Oh, and by the way. when you talk about the schooling in the military is equivelent to college is a lie also. if this were true why is it , when you get out it is not considered so and you have to take the classes, trainning again anyways. so in other words you get trainning and that is it, it cannot be used nowhere else.

Hmm let’s see all knowing one...

I joined the military with just a HS degree and received 3 AA, 2 BS and 4 FAA certs during my 28 years. As a civilian I get 60k in retirement/benefits and civilian job pays 140k that is based on the skills I learned in the military...not too bad..

so why go in the military and waste time and your life when all you need is colledge and a degree or bachelorate. i can run circles around you. why dont you explain to the people why military people get considered first in a job situation. is it because they served their country, or is it because the govt gives companies kickbacks to do so for insentive to hire them.

Run circles in what way... I hope it is not in writing..

Well the way it works is by the time you are 25 in the military you have seen 1/2 the world and hold responsibilities over people and equipment that most will not have in their life time. You also understand the concepts of a full day of work and to be on time and reliable giving it 100%, and because of all this you are highly desirable in the civilian work force...no gov kickbacks needed

A friend of mine retired years back and he became a plumber’s apprentice. He was told it normally took 2 years and he did it under six months. I asked him how he did it and he said “well I showed up to work on time and I wasn’t drunk or high and I did a full day of work every day”…

tell the truth now. and since you are so good at telling the truth, you must be a liar, because you are in the military and you do what your higher ups tell you. wether to lie , bend the truth, or truth. so never say the truth sir, just say that is how it is done now. im not wasting any more of my time on you .

No clue to what you are trying to say here....there is no need to lie about anything..

Maybe you can enlighten us on just what would need to be kept secret or lied about, I’m sure the OP doesn’t have a clue and neither do I.



[edit on 24-6-2009 by Xtrozero]

Originally posted by suzque66
Yet, When you can awe an audience, defeat a strong opponent, play the perfect game or walk a tightrope now that is TALENT. Manipulating a young, lost, poor post-teen youngin to be part of a killing machine doesn't take and special skill or talent it takes a loss of soul and humanity and a sheer aptitude for the ability to MANIPULATE the weak.

How proud you must be.

[edit on 24-6-2009 by suzque66]

The weak? Is that how you view young men and women? It also seems you think everyone is like 17 that joins when in fact it is a wide range from out of high school to late 30s, and sometimes even higher in age. Young men and women are neither weak nor stupid and those that are the military does not want them.

You want to see weak, lost, poor...just take a drive around ANY city and you will see this, then go to any military base and compare...

And so what do you do that is so awe inspiring to look down on the military as you do? Where do you spend your time that you do not see the real world? Are you lost reading biased web sites and watching TV to create your opinions locked away in some fairy tale of existence?

Originally posted by JesusBorba
I really hope you are kidding here, even if you are go look at some iraqui children with their arms blown off, try to think of someone you know, your nephew or son maybe, and empatize with the people over there.

Have you ever held someone in your arms as they died even after you truely did everything you could? Have you ever fed 10,000s of starving people? Have you flown one girl, or 2 children around the world as the only passengers on a 400,000 pound aircraft just so they could get the best treatment? Have you been the first person in an area that was stricken with a natural disaster that has left 100,000s homeless, starving, dying, and they look to you for help? Have you seen the joy in the eyes of even one child that has nothing as you put food in their hands? Have you ever sponsored an orphanage for decades? Have you ever had people come to you for protection and safety with their lives truely depending on your abilities? Have you ever worked in a field hospitable? Have you EVER done something in your life that was so tremendously good that your efforts saved numerous lives and or made their life much better?

You talk about empathy? Give me a brake...


[edit on 24-6-2009 by Xtrozero]

Former Marine here, not stupid , brainwashed or "unable to think for myself" never have been, hence being on a site with many many free thinkers.


I see a lot of people on here flinging hate, being ugly , and generally just spewing crap they dont have a clue about...

You say "youll never know what its like till you lose someone" as if that gives you a RIGHT to talk down to, or look down to the men and women in uniform.

Ive lost 3 friends, one family member. I have been shot at, nearly blown up, and stabbed in a domicile clearing. Your excuses are NOT valid, so i dont want to hear it.

Just remember, while you are on here demeaning our men and women in uniform, and being as disrespectful as you can be.....that when the SHTF, it will be these men and women you go running to......

And if you WERENT to be protected, youll be screaming "WHERE WERE YOU!". Really?

Im proud to say though, youll never have to worry about that, because my fellow friends, my band of brothers, my family of Navy, Marines, Airmen, and Soldiers, will always be there when we are needed no matter how much mud you fling.

Why? Because we uneducated, non free thinking, idiots.......have our integrity, our honor, and our heart, something SOME of you, should strive to attain.

[edit on 24-6-2009 by ManBehindTheMask]

I never thought that recruiters were evil. I have the greatest respect for every man and woman who have served this country. I thought about joining the Navy about 15 years ago, but I went down the wrong path instead..... I look back and think that my life would have been different and better if I did join. When I went and spoke to recruiters they were nice to me and I didn't feel at all like they were lying or pushy to get me to join. So, all I have to say to you and all the others is THANK YOU. I didn't have the guts to do what you and thousands like you have done.

reply to post by Xtrozero


You live in your world that you believe humans are destined to continue to be murderers of their own species (in the name of offense or defence) and that it is our innate calling and purpose.

I come from along line of military within my family, even did it myself. Now that I grew up and learned how to think for myself and became enlightened to how we should be better than what we are--I know better.

Your world involves keeping some territory by some other nation under some form of military occupation and thus status quo ....how is that working for us?

There was a poster on page 16 that compared our military to hammas... how ignorant can you get? I'm glad some of my fellow americans think I'm a terrorist electrician for the navy. I'm gunna blow someone up with my screwdriver and sodering iron lol!!! I don't think its the americans blowing kids up man last time I checked the navy tech we have we can pinpoint targets without even blowing up surrounding buildings and a lot of those people over there (iraq, afghanastan) suicide attack our soldiers. Put yourself in a marine or amry soldiers position and a cute kids running up to hug you and 10 yards away blows himself up its pretty grusome image right well the little kid was told by his father to do so to be with allah and the kid didn't know any better. But we have soldiers that see this stuff all the time and live with images the rest of they're life. Please at least respect them cause it takes bravery to hear "your goin to iraq son" and signing that paper knowing full well its possible your going. The people who don't sign I understand you are against it, a coward, and possible to weak to handel it but that's why we have "Brave" soldiers go and not you so you have the freedom to sit here and fantasizee about bigfoot and the moon being hollow and alien disclosure in front of your computer away from suicide bombings M16's and AKs and grenades going of 24 hours a day. And I've actually heard my recruiter turn 2 or 3 people down. 1 because he wasn't smart enough, 2 because of a medical condition, and the 3rd was way to over weight they told him to drop 50 pounds and come back. The military won't just take anyone so for the people who think that your wrong . You have to be somewhat smart and athletic for the Marines, navy, and airforce... the armys hurtin they might work with stoners fattys ex cons but the others don't. Even the army and navy guys told me that but I stilll respect the hell outta the army .

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
reply to post by munkey66

 

Strongest and brightest eh?


I personally know someone who failed their asvab test (less than 30% correct 3 times) and was accepted after an "oral asvab" ..... brightest does not equate into the conversation...

Only the ability to sign your name matters.

[edit on 19-6-2009 by TwiTcHomatic]

So because you "know some guy who failed his asvab" makes every other soldier stupid?

The reason your country has survived so long and has become the main superpower in the world is because it profits from war, the blood off your citizens is offered to keep your nation strong. Your economy is based on war you sell guns to people, in 2007 the USA sold 12.2 billion dollars worth of arms to developing countries (www.reuters.com...).
IS that wrong? Yes

but the simple fact is you and i are safe and survive because of it.
I come from Russia but i am a rifleman in the Australian army, I know that if the east unites then there is another power to struggle against, remember divide and conquer.

We western country are the dealers of death and profiteers of pain, and until we find a common enemy to unite humanity then we shall fight one another till that day comes.






[edit on 24-6-2009 by syress]

There is a big difference between being a superpower and being the most hated and mocked country on the planet.

Originally posted by suzque66
There is a big difference between being a superpower and being the most hated and mocked country on the planet.

could you state that difference please?

reply to post by syress


Superpower: "According to Lyman Miller, "The basic components of superpower stature may be measured along four axes of power: military, economic, political, and cultural (or what political scientist Joseph Nye has termed “soft”)"

Any country can do that with potential, and have. (Russian, China, Britain).

Yet, none have been so greedy, selfish, overbearing and self-gratifying disliked and mocked (by other countries) as the good ol' U S of A.

That is the difference.



[edit on 24-6-2009 by suzque66]

Originally posted by jerico65
Well, once again, you're obvious lack of knowledge of the military is showing. The military is one big team supporting each other, but there is a difference between a medic or clerk and an infantryman or a tanker.

You do know the Geneva Conventions protects some just for that reason (Clergy, medics). If there wasn't a difference between the two, then why would that be?

Don't distort what i said, i'm talking about concience here, i know that by internacional law you cannot blame a cook or a clerk, but without them could the grunt do their job? as you said they are one big team.
But the majority of those are volunteers right? The clergy, the field medic, they go to confort or save the lives of the grunt which is always laudable.
If the grunt didn't go in the first place what would happen to those that support him?

Originally posted by jerico65
And if the US military was conducting genocide as you claim, we're doing a piss poor job at it. An Army usually doesn't supply medical aid to a group of people they are trying to kill off. Quick tip: Research pays off.

I didn't blame the US. army especifically for the genocide in Iraq nor did i said that was their objective, again you misinterpreted me, they have allies there, and the insurgents kill iraquis too, but 1 million deaths is a genocide.
Quick question: can any of those meds resurrect the dead or grow a lost limb again?
You keep pushing those arguments that don't add # to the discussion just to make me look bad, it's not like the entire army is made of evil man, they will push for humanitary aid in there too, doesn't change the fact that they are being used by the Elite to further their goals.

Originally posted by jerico65
Oh, you mean that kid that was wounded by an insurgent's bomb in a marketplace crowded with civilians? Oh, no, killing that insurgent is a perk.

And what was that insurgent before you came along? was he a normal working everyday guy, albeit living in a dictatorship, maybe his family was blown to bits by your planes at the first strike, who the hell knows.

One of the leaders of Hamas was on Hardtalk awhile back and he said that the only reason he joined was because Israel had killed his sons on a air raid, is he right to join a terrorist group for that? i cannot answer, never been through what he experienced, but i can tell you that, war only generates more terrorists and more deaths, it's never the answer. He will become the same as the monster who killed his kids.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Have you ever held someone in your arms as they died even after you truely did everything you could? Have you ever fed 10,000s of starving people? Have you flown one girl, or 2 children around the world as the only passengers on a 400,000 pound aircraft just so they could get the best treatment? Have you been the first person in an area that was stricken with a natural disaster that has left 100,000s homeless, starving, dying, and they look to you for help? Have you seen the joy in the eyes of even one child that has nothing as you put food in their hands? Have you ever sponsored an orphanage for decades? Have you ever had people come to you for protection and safety with their lives truely depending on your abilities? Have you ever worked in a field hospitable? Have you EVER done something in your life that was so tremendously good that your efforts saved numerous lives and or made their life much better?

You talk about empathy? Give me a brake...

The empaty comment in the other post was related to the guy saying that killing was a #ing perk of that job.

I'm talking about the big picture here and you come with experience acquired by this bs war on terror? you give me a brake, because as long as you don't understand that you are really clueless, and nobody talked about any natural disaster here, unless you consider a bomb to be an act of god, some people do.

If you really did all those things you are one of the the good guys inside the army, i never generalized and said everybody in there was evil. But those situations you described (most of them at least), arose from the war, that was unnecessary in the first place, although even tainted by this they are praise worthy.

[edit on 24-6-2009 by JesusBorba]

Originally posted by JesusBorba
[ Don't distort what i said, i'm talking about concience here, i know that by internacional law you cannot blame a cook or a clerk, but without them could the grunt do their job? as you said they are one big team.
But the majority of those are volunteers right? The clergy, the field medic, they go to confort or save the lives of the grunt which is always laudable.
If the grunt didn't go in the first place what would happen to those that support him?

Now you're talking about conscience. You never said that; in fact, you were saying it's "guilt thru association". Nothing about conscience.

Originally posted by JesusBorba
I didn't blame the US. army especifically for the genocide in Iraq nor did i said that was their objective, again you misinterpreted me, they have allies there, and the insurgents kill iraquis too, but 1 million deaths is a genocide.

You keep changing your story, I need a dance card to keep track. Now it's not the US Army that's committing genocide, it's everyone that's there. And I don't think the fighting there is really genocide as it's official defined.

One million deaths? Really.

Originally posted by JesusBorba
Quick question: can any of those meds resurrect the dead or grow a lost limb again?
You keep pushing those arguments that don't add # to the discussion just to make me look bad, it's not like the entire army is made of evil man, they will push for humanitary aid in there too, doesn't change the fact that they are being used by the Elite to further their goals.

If they were being used by "elites" to further their goals, then why do any humanitarian activities at all? Isn't that just a waste?

And you're doing a fine job of making yourself look bad, you don't need my help.

Originally posted by JesusBorba
And what was that insurgent before you came along? was he a normal working everyday guy, albeit living in a dictatorship, maybe his family was blown to bits by your planes at the first strike, who the hell knows.

Yeah, because the US is always looking for civilians to bomb.

Maybe he's just some ass-hat that is pissed off because Saddam isn't in power. Or doesn't like one tribe or another? Or just decided this is a way to get even for some slight or another?

Originally posted by JesusBorba
One of the leaders of Hamas was on Hardtalk awhile back and he said that the only reason he joined was because Israel had killed his sons on a air raid, is he right to join a terrorist group for that? i cannot answer, never been through what he experienced, but i can tell you that, war only generates more terrorists and more deaths, it's never the answer. He will become the same as the monster who killed his kids.

Of course he'll say that, and it might be true. He's sure not going to say, "I joined HAMAS because I get my rocks off killing Jews."

You know, in my last life, I died as a soldier in a war. What did that sacrifice really get me. Nothing, I ended up as another human ready to be cannon fodder in another life.

There was no glory, no honor, just death.

Rebirth...

And now. so why the hell would I want to fight any war when I know that it is me I am killing in each life? That we just all recycle and are one?

Who are we killing, ourselves.

That is the true reality. We are one.

Deal with it.

reply to post by Juston


good for you for sticking up for yourself! I never had a prob with people in the military but alot of people do. Stereo typing is just not cool and as you pointed out there are crooked people in every profession. As for people saying that your slayer avatar says more about who you are, all it really states IMO is that you like slayer. Whats so bad about that? when i was younger i was a metal chick and they were one of my faves...so what!

s&f

What's funny about this thread is that there are illinformed people that hate hate hate the military and think everythings a conspiracy were workin for the elites...

Dude you are workin for the elite think about it even if you work at mcdonald there's always someone higher. Cashier, drive through, crew leader, assistant manager, manager, district manager, area manager, regional mannager... executive vice president, CEO, presisdent, then you have the people that make rules and regulations on whaat they can and can't do then there's the government above them so all in all military or not were all answering to one person .... commander and chief barak obama even if you don't like the guy so for you to hate military because they are fullfilling the elites agenda while the army has grunts.... you are a civilian grunt yourself workin to fullfill the elites evil agenda so hate yourself... nah just hate the evil elite and them only because everyone works for them.


Hope I shed some perspective light on this subject

reply to post by suzque66

OUCH!!!!!! But you are correct and I will not debate that. Speaking from a very neutral perspective as one with numerous family and friends who are vets, they are more often a part of the image problem than a solution. Every time you go to a foreign country and act loutish, impregnate the local women and dump them (or worse), beat the locals up in drunken rages, violate cultural norms, brag about how the US is the world's savior or otherwise make a fool of yourself, you leave the populace with a bad taste in their mouths that compounds with every death or bad decision. I went to Europe in 1987 and most of the people I came across in Austria, Germany, Liechtenstein and Switzerland hated the Americans with a passion and guess what the root cause was?

reply to post by injunfeller

There is a really good reason why you are seeing more Neonazis, skinheads and other white separatists join the military. Back in the early 1990s the national leadership of a lot of the groups including Tom Metzger began telling recruits to stop getting tattoos, grow their hair and go to college. They also started instructing men and women to enter the military to attain the type of training needed for a "coming race war" that was supposed to start during the Clinton administration. Again from experience, I am sorry to tell you that I've met a lot of white and black soldiers who are not part of these movements but are no more racially tolerant, forced integration seems to bring out the worst in a lot of folks.