The Government's Plan To Kill Independent Web Sites

reply to post by Perseus Apex


DING! As I said before, if they want to track you then it's not going to be with cookies. There are much better ways of doing those kinds of things.

That information isn't just given away freely either. If you are getting tracked by something like that, it's going to be on purpose.

Seems to me, of course they want to. In Canada this Harper Federal Government started proposing, what we call Bills to erode Canadian Internet Access but since he (PM HArper), had a minority Government and could be defeated by the majority, he backed-off.

Hence when he called for an election and when the votes were counted he was back with a Minority Federal Government. Now, the majority of Canadians don't trust him.

But who ever get's elected here next w/a majority Government.. their going to do and succeed in cutting-off FULL Canadian access to the Web.
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Uhm, this is a well sourced and equally written article, however I own several websites and know the owners of even several more who would not dare allow even the slightest ad on our websites.
Many rely on our patron saint members for donations which many times barely cover monthly hosting fees.
But in any event many do it as a sense of patriotism, and morals.
Getting truths out leaves the independent site owner naked on the frontline, and more often than not financially strapped, bur it is recognized as a must do thing.
Ads have no role on many of these sites and heres why.

1) People dont trust Google
2) The ads actually dont pay anything worth the hassle.
3) Ads take precious space up
4) Many are not in it for financial gain in the first place.

You mentioned bandwidth, 99% of hosting plans are bandwidth protected on both shared and Virtual servers so thats not much of an issue.
I have sites on seperate hosts and both have unlimited bandwidth.

While I think the OP meant well and does have valid points, the entire article does not reflect even 50% of site owners.
Yes Internet V2 is indeed sure to happen, but not entirely in the context he paints.

[edit on 19-6-2009 by ADMIN X]

reply to post by mister.old.school


F Them.

we need to utilize p2p software to make even websites decentralized that or use some kind of virus to hop from server to server, anyone know of any projects trying to do this?

Originally posted by ADMIN X
Uhm, this is a well sourced and equally written article, however I own several websites and know the owners of even several more who would not dare allow even the slightest ad on our websites.
Many rely on our patron saint members for donations which many times barely cover monthly hosting fees.
But in any event many do it as a sense of patriotism, and morals.
Getting truths out leaves the independent site owner naked on the frontline, and more often than not financially strapped, bur it is recognized as a must do thing.
Ads have no role on many of these sites and heres why.

1) People dont trust Google
2) The ads actually dont pay anything worth the hassle.
3) Ads take precious space up
4) Many are not in it for financial gain in the first place.

You mentioned bandwidth, 99% of hosting plans are bandwidth protected on both shared and Virtual servers so thats not much of an issue.
I have sites on seperate hosts and both have unlimited bandwidth.

While I think the OP meant well and does have valid points, the entire article does not reflect even 50% of site owners.
Yes Internet V2 is indeed sure to happen, but not entirely in the context he paints.

No offense, but you obviously do not have alot of traffic and such. It is easy to give sites "unlimited bandwidth" when they do not use alot of bandwidth. It's simply a marketing ploy. As soon as your site starts using up a good bit of bandwidth, you will be getting messages about other resources being used up, such as CPU. Unless you just have a bunch of html pages, and again that is a sign of a small website.

I have a site that gets so much traffic it takes 4 servers for the 1 website. 3 servers that handle web requests(load balancing), and a database server for the site.

And on a site without much traffic, ads do not pull very much cash at all. It takes alot of traffic before ads make a dent in things. But when you do have alot of traffic, then the ads themselves help pay for things alot. I personally do not use ads for the main source of revenue, but it does help.

There is a big difference in the personal site and small sites, and sites that get millions of pages served per day where a virtual or shared option isn't even possible. We do use those kind of options as much as possible as we own thousands of websites. And in many cases such a hosting plan is fine. But a site that gets popular will quickly grow out of such plans.

Also, as far as ads go, it has alot to do with your content. Just some general website like ATS, you won't get very much for your ads. But if you have a website geared towards somekind of big market product, like say mortgages or insurance, then the ads will pay alot more. On my good sites, people compete in price for ad space, which is good for my sites. But for a site like ATS which isn't geared towards such things, it's not the same.

So I think these things are relevant to the sites in question and so forth. I probably wouldn't bother with ads on a site that doesn't get much traffic or attention. Where you might get 1 click on an ad a week, then you get like 10 cents a week if you were lucky. And thats not worth it I would agree. Also probably wouldn't put ads on pages where I am already selling a product.




[edit on 19-6-2009 by badmedia]

Thanks for the report!

They are getting a little desperate aren't they? I feel the Internet is our last bastion. If they take it away from us, we would be even more easily divided and conquered. Down with Internet censorship.

Its harder and harder to get your website to show up on search engines, even if you put metatags, because it's been abused by scam websites and viral websites. If you can't even get your website to show up on the search engine, I'd say independant websites have already been killed by evil people. I made a website where I literally wrote what I wanted it to show up for in plain english and in the metatags, it never showed up. I refuse to make a website, whats the point? Number one is it being found, if it never gets found.. it's effectiveness and spread is cut off significantly.

[edit on 23-6-2009 by awdbawl]

Originally posted by Nezuji
... but it's clear to me that the bill would actually target advertising networks that use cross-site cookies to track users.

Originally posted by mister.old.school
There is no such thing as "cross site cookies."

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
... do you think he could have been referring to "Third-party" cookies as cross-site cookies? Certainly those do exist and IE has separate cookie handling settings for those versus first party cookies.

Thanks. Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to. I apologise for not using the correct term, but it's been a long time since I've done any real webdev work.

Originally posted by mister.old.school
The term "tracking cookie" has been created by the media to scare you. All cookies "track", calling such things a "tracking cookie" is like calling a chair a "seat chair".

While I agree that you are technically correct with regard to "tracking", I would like to make a distinction between the sort of cookie that has been set to try actively to track you accross multiple sites by storing data like "This is user #54712330", and something more innocuous such as, "Use forum layout #5 for this user."

Nezuji

This can actually only help me.

Systems that track and target you really cut down on what I can do with PPC and other factors because people are being guided away from my ads by them.

For the smallest site this can only help...

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Did you know?

You are the 1st person from Alabama to sign this petition!

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reply to post by mister.old.school


I think you're nuts!!
He wants the bill to stop websites from forcing ads on us as well as collecting personal information-essentially cyber stalking and fishing.

Personally, I have never in my life saw on ad on a website I used, clicked it then bought a product or service from one of these sites. Fact is if I do click it, these people see who I am and that website owner makes money.

From there, a lot of them track your activity around the internet and build a profile of your activity. In some cases, as I have experienced first hand, you encounter harassment.

A lot of these ads are clicked by kids or rely on "there's a new sucker born every minute" ideology.
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The last one is real and yes, I believe it's an element to the destruction of free thinking. Currently, we do not have the freedom to choose NOT to have these ads, they're forced and realistically, I don't think there's a single person on the internet that wants them, other than the people making money from them.
It's gotten so bad that youtube now has commercials and sponsors.

I use Firefox and Flashblocker. With which I block countless ad images and flash videos which has made my internet experience far more enjoyable and productive the last few years. The logic here is, a site like A.T.S. would go under and no longer hold purpose. I honestly don't see enough activity here for someone to make money off of obnoxious ads that would create a loss of revenue/income and an ability to pay their bills.

Crap like that Bank of America banner gets clicked unintentionally if ever and really, the LAST thing anyone that comes to this site should be endorsing is the banking industry!

WTH is wrong with you people?

wouldnt most small internet companies just change to a different realm, the US doesnt controle the entirty of internet hosting after all.

That isn't good.

They would be surely afraid of this much easy news spread of their corruptions through such websites that is why they are planning to do so.

Well, I must say that they should not implement such thing.

Wont this just push everything to .onion?

The internet is going to split into two or three or four or more distinct internets eventually.

There will be the cnn.com / foxnews.com one everyones grandma uses then the others where anyone with any sense goes.

A Berlin Firewall.

As the operator of an independent website I hope this doesn't happen!

I run a pretty popular website, and I made a public post about removing third party trackers and ads and believed in this and that for the people... Well, I became paranoid so I deleted the post but still implemented my own system. If I have to, I will use international servers to protect the privacy of my members.

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