Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study

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Well I don't think that I said ALL now did I ...

Anyway, no it is not inappropriate or outdated, if it was either then they would no longer be doing it but take that dude Marco on Big Brother in the UK a couple of years ago.

If you think that he was acting naturally then dude, seriously, you could not be more wrong. Walking and acting the way he did takes effort, its like walking with a gangster limp. You CHOOSE to walk like that.

It is their way of attracting other homosexual men. Making themselves known so that other peoples gaydars are in check and can spot each other, I would guess.
Gay men who are not camp normally despise the ones that are because of the bad image it gives gay people (and who can blame them) like this dude I know won't act camp or nothing and nor will he date those camp queens but he will go and pick a guy up in a batty bar (his words, not mine ). Point I am making here is that he has alternative ways of pulling dudes and doesn't have to act like a fairy to do it.


[edit on 19-6-2009 by george_gaz]

Originally posted by ghaleon12

Originally posted by ModernAcademia


I'm tired of people saying homosexuality is genetic with no proof.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by ModernAcademia]

Have you, or other people with similar opinions, even spent 30 minutes researching? This took me about 10 seconds to find, read. It has about as many scientific studies on the topic as I've seen anywhere.
en.wikipedia.org...

Yup, I read that and it is pretty inconclusive so I don't think that I would be promulgating that as any form of proof of genetic reasons for homosexuality.

I would also point out that Wikipedia is a place where those with the loudest voices can out edit others and is absolutely no guarantee of the correctness of the information. I have trolled through many records of edits and discussions that go with them, and it is not a nice place.

They still have to study this? I thought this was old news.

Do a study on homophobic behaviour in the animal kingdom.

Originally posted by Mailman
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Its not being racist, just saying how things are. Merely pointing out the hypocrisy.
Whats is the agenda here anyway? Do we want young "straight" kids having homosexual awareness before they even hit puberty?

The agenda is that kids who are of the age to be aware of sexuality understand it in all of it's age appropriate forms. And discriminating against an particular orientation is not an age appropriate form.

If its natural, ok we dont need to show gay penguins on the news to confuse millions of children.

How is this confusing to children? Do we show straight animals on the news? Then why not homosexual animals? For example, Dolphins have homosexuality in their groups for the same reason Bonobos do... the purpose appears to be to reduce tensions in larger groups.

It's not that homosexuality doesn't actually have a social function.. it does. And at whatever age we are going to talk to them about sexuality we should be prepared to talk to them about homosexuality.

More importantly, we need to be prepared to handle whatever orientation our children turn out to be. I assume my son is straight... only because I am... but he may not be... it's too early to tell as he's not "into girls" or anything short of swimming, video games, reading, and writing.

But if he's not straight, and doesn't ever feel attracted to women, I need to be able to show him things like gay penguins so that doesn't cause him to feel as if he's abnormal...

Which brings me to my next point... the only reason people are showing gay penguins on the news is because of the anti-gay sentiment in American society.... Remove the sentiment, and you will remove the gay penguins from the news :-)

If I sounded racist, I can assure you it has only transpired over the past year or two of my 30 year existence.

Why's that?

Originally posted by george_gaz
reply to post by 0010110011101

 

Well I don't think that I said ALL now did I ...

Anyway, no it is not inappropriate or outdated, if it was either then they would no longer be doing it but take that dude Marco on Big Brother in the UK a couple of years ago.

If you think that he was acting naturally then dude, seriously, you could not be more wrong. Walking and acting the way he did takes effort, its like walking with a gangster limp. You CHOOSE to walk like that.

It is their way of attracting other homosexual men. Making themselves known so that other peoples gaydars are in check and can spot each other, I would guess.
Gay men who are not camp normally despise the ones that are because of the bad image it gives gay people (and who can blame them) like this dude I know won't act camp or nothing and nor will he date those camp queens but he will go and pick a guy up in a batty bar (his words, not mine

). Point I am making here is that he has alternative ways of pulling dudes and doesn't have to act like a fairy to do it.


[edit on 19-6-2009 by george_gaz]

Actually, you are half right. Just like straight women sometimes over emphasize their feminine wiles to attract a mate, and just like straight men sometimes do the same thing (Welcome to the Gun show... do you have tickets?) So too do gay men and women sometimes overemphasize their particular seductive ways to do the same.

However, "walking like a fairy" does actually happen naturally. I've seen kids grow up who were gay from day 1. You could tell in grade school just by how they walked or acted.... Now this isn't to say that you can actually tell what orientation a child will be, but it's definitely natural for some gay men to act "like a fairy" as you put it.

It's not a choice... certain characteristics are just there, just like they are with straight men and women. The difference is that you can see this difference more so when you are not used to it, and it stands out as being "put on".

As much as you think it is... it's not. Now, as I mentioned, sometimes it's over exaggerated, but that goes for all sexual orientations.... We all do that when showing off our prowess...

[edit on 19-6-2009 by HunkaHunka]

Originally posted by Kailassa


Christian/bigot: "Gays are disgustingly promiscuous."

Gay: "I'd like to marry the man I love and be with him for life."

Christian/bigot: "No way! That would defile the failing marriages of all adulterous Christians!"

Awesome.... I really like that last one!

A lot of homosexual behaving animals "choose" that option cause they are exposed to chemical polution... Google a little...detergents hormones etc even in small doses are impairing their natural sexual responses. Thats , seem to be one, maybe main reason for tem going "gay"

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
reply to post by Bombeni

 

Well the argument then is "who are we to say that animals cant reason?" There are many in the scientific community who would beg to differ. So we cant line of reasoning either.

Again my premis is that we are human beings and it shouldnt matter what the animal kingdom does sexually we must control our passions with reason, morality, and humanity.

I'm no scientist, but I can say with almost 100 percent certainty that if you put ANY male animal on planet earth in an enclosure with a female in heat, along with 10 other male animals, every one of those male animals is going to want the female. In their frenzied lust they may start humping each other, but not because they reasoned it out and CHOSE the male over the female.



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I just love the fact that people feel completely entitled to offer an opinion on something they don't understand nor have they ever done. Would you not call me an idiot for saying something like "Black people haven't had it that bad" because I'm white and have never experienced being a black person?

You can rationalize it anyway you want but if you aren't gay, or at least attracted to the same sex, you will never understand what its like to be denied the right to be happy with the one you love because of people who like to stand on their soapbox and spill out ignorant hate speech. Some gay people have escaped the tyranny and oppression so many in this thread seem to advocate only to find that the bigotry continues to deny them their freedoms no matter where they go.

Who cares if the animals do it or not!

We're not animals! Animals don't drive cars, live in houses, wear clothing or eat cooked food.

The fact is that people do it, some people are happy in a homosexual relationship and they wouldn't be happy in a fake heterosexual relationship.

What gives you the right to tell other people how to live?

for hetero experts on homosexuality

Hell, I'm an ordained minister and if the state would allow it i'd start giving homosexual marriages tomorrow!

be whatever You want to be! Simply please if You expect tolerance do not never ever! tell us about how fantastic it is to be homosexual, stop lobbing against peoples who think diffrent like Miss of California-that was really disgusting! (homosexual choosing between most beautifull girls what the crazy idea! like blind person choosing between the best pictures);-)
Most important- please leave alone our religious believs. In most non Christian countries there is no place for "gay prides", "gay mariages" etc.
For moment given its straight peoples that are majority so shouting and nagging us is...well- ugly-kindo of tyrany of minority.
Just remember: tolerance is not obligatory and its not the same as acceptation...

Peace

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Except that this is America and the denial of basic "God Given Rights" flies in the face of everything this nation stands for.

I can not understand why people who would otherwise condemn racial or sexual bigotry will then endorse it when it comes to sexual orientation.

You don't have to understand it, you don't even have to like it, but as an American you have to accept it.

As Americans every one of us deserves equal rights and representation.

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I m not American mate Which i sometimes better but in many subiect worse... Here in EU it starts to be more and more tyrany of PC wielding bolshevist style bureaucrats-no good at all...
Anyway Im not denying anybody their rights but on the same time I m asking the right to believe what I choose to. And less of loud, agressive propaganda please!
Its like Newton dynamics: quicker and higher You go with new laws stonger will be social reaction, not from homophobic extremists but from so called normal peoples f#d up with all that propaganda stuff...
And by the way here in Europe there are some groups trying to depenalise pedophilia...As several posters write so called "gay mariage" its probably only the beginning. There is so many "not ill" but "born like this" );-) who will demand their rights next...Anyway 2012 is coming so no problem...
Peace

Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by ZenOnKwalsky

 

Except that this is America and the denial of basic "God Given Rights" flies in the face of everything this nation stands for.

I can not understand why people who would otherwise condemn racial or sexual bigotry will then endorse it when it comes to sexual orientation.

You don't have to understand it, you don't even have to like it, but as an American you have to accept it.

As Americans every one of us deserves equal rights and representation.

Who says we haven't accepted it??

That is the point of several people here, I think. If you're homosexual, oK, we don't really care. It's this continuous chatter about it being normal because animals do it, and it saved species, etc etc that gets on peoples nerves imo. It has gotten to the point that it makes it look like homosexuals are trying to convince THEMSELVES.

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Homosexuals are only trying to convince lawmakers and the voting public that they are as normal as anyone else walking the street these days.

Is S&M "normal"? How about sexual role reversal, bondage, multiple partners, partner sharing, foot fetishism or the myriad other kinks and fetishes people have yet are still allowed to get married and are accepted into society and not preached against in mega churches.

I mean, honestly, how would your life change any if gay people were allowed to get married and raise children?

If you would stop making such a big deal out of granting homosexuals the same rights afforded the rest of the nation then they wouldn't need to "bitch about it" all the time.

You do realize this mentality of homosexuality as evil an unnatural is a medieval sentiment as homosexuality was routinely practice with no problem in the ancient world.

reply to post by Shadowflux


That's fine, I'm just telling you the animal comparison is not working.

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by Shadowflux

 

That's fine, I'm just telling you the animal comparison is not working.

How is this a comparison? All I see in the OP is that homosexuality is widespread in animals according to scientific research. All I see is that homosexuality is natural. All I see that the argument that there is no homosexuality in animals is debunked.

This is like saying that black people compare themselves to the black animals when they bring up (hypothetically speaking) scientific research that there is no racism in animals.

It's just typical fundamentalist loud mouthing. First it's:

"Homosexuality is un-natural because animals don't do it"

Then it's:

"Just because animals do it doesn't mean it's natural for humans! You can't compare animals and humans!"

Everyone loved following Ted Haggard before they found out he was gay

Interesting post , this.

Its easy to lose the original topic with the bickering in this thread, and I personally find bickering-disguised-as-debate tiresome.

I just pose one question, then.

(First, lets be fair and forget taking numerical minorities, aberrations and environmentally created oddities within the animal kingdom as benchmarks of normalcy.)

Does anyone think that animals can exhibit ABNORMAL behavior?

Yes or no?

If one answers yes, then the entire 'homosexual behavior' in animals could be arguably put to rest, i.e: 'the gay animals are just abnormal too' etc.

And if one answers no, then the entire comparing humans---(who obviously DO have the capacity for abnormal behavior) ----to animals could be put to rest, i.e: 'the different species are so different nothing relates' etc.

Either way, finding animals that engage in same gender relations really proves nothing one way or the other. In short, this is a non issue for either side.

Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
Either way, finding animals that engage in same gender relations really proves nothing one way or the other. In short, this is a non issue for either side.

This would be a non-issue for either side if people stopped abusing others for being different, discriminating against them and wanting the laws of the country to reflect their religious prejudices.

No-one is pressured by society to pretend to be homosexual.
But many homosexuals are pressured by society to pretend to be heterosexual. Many men have been assaulted and murdered for being homosexual.

The excuses for this often include the statement that homosexuality is abnormal. These animal studies are simply being used to refute that lie.
If you want to argue that all homosexual behaviour in animals is unnatural you are simply showing your ignorance. There are well studied animal societies in which homosexuality is an established aspect of social interaction.

Perhaps one day people will realise that, provided both partners are consenting adults, other people's sexual preferences are none of their business. When that happens gays will no longer need to argue on forums about animal behaviour, genetics or the Bible.

Sadly, some people have a lot of growing up to do before that happens.

reply to post by HunkaHunka

However, "walking like a fairy" does actually happen naturally. I've seen kids grow up who were gay from day 1. You could tell in grade school just by how they walked or acted.

Exactly.

Here's a link to a vid of *The Walk* - I'm still trying to find something to embed for instant viewing... (Which does not seem to want to work at all from MSNBC)...

So here's the link and article.

link

Is he gay or straight? At a glance, the key to telling might be in the way he walks.
A swing of the hips or a swaggered shoulder is enough for many casual observers to identify a man’s sexual orientation, according to a study published in the September issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
Observers were only able to accurately guess the sexual orientation of men; with women, their guesses didn’t exceed chance. But what’s most interesting to researchers is understanding how that snap judgment can unleash a series of stereotypes — even from the most liberal-minded.

The researchers videotaped the volunteers walking on a treadmill at various speeds, and then played the video for 150 undergraduate observers, who were asked to determine the sexual orientation of each person.

“There’s reason to think that gay people can’t conceal their homosexuality,” says Michael Bailey, a professor of psychology at Northwestern University. “I don’t think it’s a performance that gay people enact. I think it’s something that either is inborn, or it’s acquired very early, perhaps by watching members of the other sex.”

Research such as Johnson's may give scientific credence to "gaydar," suggesting that people really can tell whether someone is gay or straight from visual clues.

There ya go...

peace


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