Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

Such an interesting thread, although it has become so long 9/10 will not take the time to look through it and miss a lot of interesting bits. Oh well, such is life in a forum I guess.

The guy mandates a $15 donation to get the program. Anyone who believes timewave zero is the real thing should really consider other motives behind charging for this prediction software

Ask yourself is it more likely that this person, without a masters degree in mathematics, physics or computer science, and heavy user of some serious psychedelic drugs somehow stumbled upon a theory by which he could predict major events in human history. Or is he a guy cashing in on another y2k craze?

You do realize that the human mind is capable of convincing itself of ridiculous things [read: you believe what you want to believe] An intelligent person can paint things in a certain light to persuade you to believe in something you are inclined to anyway. Example read up on erroneous testimony so often given by eyewitness. en.wikipedia.org...

I admit I'm using a stereotype here, but the guy went to U.C. Berkeley in the 60's. For anyone who didn't already know, there was an insane amount of drugs going around there, which McKenna began using even before he attended his first class. en.wikipedia.org...

Ask yourself: if you knew, not just thought it likely, probable, or possible, but actually knew the world was going to end in one year and a half, would you really waste your time trying to sell a computer program over the internet that predicts the end of times? Really, that's how you want to go out?

Didn't think so.

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Hey Pepe, welcome to ATS.

First off, you do realize that this guy (Terence McKenna) is dead.
I don't think he's making any money in the afterlife.

Second, there's a free java version of the program available here >
Timewave Calculator (Which has been posted several times already)

Third, ask yourself, "Did I read this thread in it's entirety, or did I give
a typical knee-jerk reaction to something I don't entirely understand?"

Yea, thought so.

So try reading this thread, and the other Timewave threads,
your points have already been discussed and covered.

Originally posted by aecreate
reply to post by pepesilvia

 

Hey Pepe, welcome to ATS.

First off, you do realize that this guy (Terence McKenna) is dead.
I don't think he's making any money in the afterlife.

Second, there's a free java version of the program available here >
Timewave Calculator (Which has been posted several times already)

Third, ask yourself, "Did I read this thread in it's entirety, or did I give
a typical knee-jerk reaction to something I don't entirely understand?"

Yea, thought so.

So try reading this thread, and the other Timewave threads,
your points have already been discussed and covered.

1. it's called an estate -- proceeds still go to it, check out a law library for a wills and trusts book.
2. even if it wasn't going to an estate, that's other people ripping off his idea, and then marketing it so they can make money - even worse
3. the people who made the calculator are not the same people charging money for the program on the website.

4. i hope you can come up with a better argument to logical reasoning other than "read the thread." yes 70+ pgs of belief or disbelief that an algorithm created by some ex-druggie can predict the future -- surely that will convince me.

you don't have to taste crap to know it's crap.


you wouldn't go to a doctor for surgery if the doctor was a lsd user, you wouldn't board a flight if you knew the pilot was drunk,
why would you base your life on the belief that the world is going to end because a guy who did massive amounts of hallucinogenics created some random program which supposedly tells you the future?

[edit on 23-4-2010 by pepesilvia]

[edit on 23-4-2010 by pepesilvia]

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Oh, Right! You mean like how we pay for textbooks?

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stop trolling and get out of here.

who says the world is going to end?

you don't even understand the concept of novelty of synchronicity yet you come into this thread and try to preach your version of the "truth" to make people assume this is just some crack-pot theory.

the I-ching my friend is not made up.

you do realize the men who discovered the double helix model of DNA were on '___'?

get outta here with your ignorant dogma

Pepe, you can't tell me that October 7 2008, February 7 2009, June 25 2009, February 27 2010, April 14 2010 are all such coincidences.

First of all, no coincidence ever exists
Second, Mckenna was a pure genius, you should hear what he said on some of his you tube videos
Third, we already did experiments to see if Timewave succeeds, well, Timewave has had many success, in a very precise way, so this theory has already been proven acceptable and precise
Fourth, nobody is thinking here about 2012 end of world, but to a global change of the world, our perception of time will be changed, but no end of the world, a new beginning of the world's history is set to happen.

Than, Timewave Zero simply shows us that history is not casual at all but follows time cycles.

You're welcome, but before to say your opinion ( based on something that is wrong ) you should read " Timewave Zero: a closer look " thread , than this thread.
The only thing we are not doing here is wasting time.

Originally posted by Zagari
........we already did experiments to see if Timewave succeeds, well, Timewave has had many success, in a very precise way, so this theory has already been proven acceptable and precise

I'm not sure i can agree with this yet as

a) experiments are on-going
b) We dont have any agreed weighting of importance for the results (the idea of 'novelty' is obviously understood differently, some people think a banking collapse is novel, others that an eruption is novel, some people think novel has more to do with the number of people concious of an event. We still have the debate about wether the timeline is representative for events that are novel to nature or just humans, and wether it is more a technological subject (like moores law which is very, very similar) or wether it is 'mental' and more 'meaning' related, like the i-ching.

IMO, far too much 'technological' weighting has been given to add meaning to the timewave. The language of description has changed (compare it too the language of description of the i-ching which is very flowing, visual and 'zen' like). Discussion of the timewave on here used more snippets and 'sayings', soundbites and filtered info from the media. We are taliking about it in terms of media. The language of 'media' is always going to describe something more easily in terms of our perception of media.

If someone comes onto a thread dissing the idea then we need to show several proven, unambiguous examples of success if we are claiming it to be so. Otherwise, IMO, it is best we continue discussing it and trying to find a coherent context /language/meaning we can all agree on.

Oh MY GOD.
I found out a correlation between Ireland Great Famine 1845 and the thread about deadly fungus of those days.

Phytophthora infestans, The spores

The effects of Phytophthora infestans in Ireland in 1845-57 were one of the factors which caused over one million to starve to death and forced another two million to emigrate from affected countries. Most commonly referenced is the Great Irish Famine, during the late 1840s.

The origin of Phytophthora infestans can be traced to a valley in the highlands of central Mexico. The first recorded instances of the disease were in the United States, in Philadelphia and New York City in early 1843. Winds then spread the spores, and in 1845 it was found from Illinois to Nova Scotia, and from Virginia to Ontario. It crossed the Atlantic Ocean with a shipment of seed potatoes for Belgian farmers in 1845.

WHAT IF deadly fungus spreads into a major airborne epidemy????

I'm reading Ireland Great Famine in Italian and it says disaster was caused BY FUNGUS!!!
The Great Famine (Irish: an Gorta Mór, IPA: [ənˠ ˈɡɔɾˠtˠə ˈmˠoːɾˠ], the Great Hunger[1]; an Drochshaol, [ənˠ ˈdˠɾɔxˌhiːlˠ], the Bad Life) was a period of mass starvation, disease and emigration in Ireland between 1845 and 1852[2] during which the island's population dropped by 20 to 25 percent.[3] Approximately one million people died and a million more emigrated from Ireland

Originally posted by Zagari
Oh MY GOD.
I found out a correlation between Ireland Great Famine 1845 and the thread about deadly fungus of those days.

Phytophthora infestans, The spores

The effects of Phytophthora infestans in Ireland in 1845-57 were one of the factors which caused over one million to starve to death and forced another two million to emigrate from affected countries. Most commonly referenced is the Great Irish Famine, during the late 1840s.

The origin of Phytophthora infestans can be traced to a valley in the highlands of central Mexico. The first recorded instances of the disease were in the United States, in Philadelphia and New York City in early 1843. Winds then spread the spores, and in 1845 it was found from Illinois to Nova Scotia, and from Virginia to Ontario. It crossed the Atlantic Ocean with a shipment of seed potatoes for Belgian farmers in 1845.

WHAT IF deadly fungus spreads into a major airborne epidemy????

I'm reading Ireland Great Famine in Italian and it says disaster was caused BY FUNGUS!!!
The Great Famine (Irish: an Gorta Mór, IPA: [ənˠ ˈɡɔɾˠtˠə ˈmˠoːɾˠ], the Great Hunger[1]; an Drochshaol, [ənˠ ˈdˠɾɔxˌhiːlˠ], the Bad Life) was a period of mass starvation, disease and emigration in Ireland between 1845 and 1852[2] during which the island's population dropped by 20 to 25 percent.[3] Approximately one million people died and a million more emigrated from Ireland

Hmmm.. Good find, you may have something there. With all the news about fungus dangers the past few days. Guess we will have to wait and see? Thats the only bad thing about prophecy, correlations, and predictions. It takes hind sight to prove anything.

Originally posted by Dave157
reply to post by pepesilvia

 

stop trolling and get out of here.

who says the world is going to end?

you don't even understand the concept of novelty of synchronicity yet you come into this thread and try to preach your version of the "truth" to make people assume this is just some crack-pot theory.

the I-ching my friend is not made up.

you do realize the men who discovered the double helix model of DNA were on '___'?

get outta here with your ignorant dogma

This is my last post on this topic.

1. By "trolling" do you mean examining a fact/argument from multiple perspectives rather than taking the words of random people who I've never met that this MUST be true?

2. "Who says the world is going to end" - let me clarify, by world ending I mean various catastrophes resulting in the deaths of a large part of the population. Many posters predict huge catastrophes in 2012 according to timewave - this is an undisputed fact.

3. "concept of novelty of synchronicity" novelty defined - something new, innovative. synchronicity defined - the state of being simultaneous. [yes there are many variations of these definitions - none of which purport to predict the future]. Keep in mind that the use of these words to represent an idea are coming from the same people who say "far out." What's far out? The gas station across the street?

4. "preach your version of the "truth" to make people assume this is just some crack-pot theory."
My post isn't for you or any die-hard believer of timewave. You clearly have confirmed your bias for the project in your own mind. My posts are for the people who read this thread and see some coincidences and some sketchy supportive evidence who don't really know how they feel about the topic. I urge those readers to actually think about timewave from more than one angle, and not take posts like yours that timewave is the absolute truth! - at face value.

I have faith in the readers that they can spot the fact that you haven't posted any proof that timewave is accurate at all. What's that, it predicted some events in the past and has a good track record?

Maybe read about confirmation bias or "myside bias" en.wikipedia.org...

For those who know anything about statistics, think about how many events happen in a day on a planet with 6 billion people, and then think how easy it would be to match an event in the past with a corollary event in the future when there is no timewave standard for how specific or vague that correlary relationship has to be.

It is the same principal as horoscopes, only the timewave horoscope will say novel events will increase until 2012 and then it goes flat! Thanks bud, I don't even know if I should play the lotto today. Horoscopes, like timewave, make such vague predictions that through selective recall we can confirm their "truth" or "falsehood" in our own minds.

confirmation bias is an interesting topic. it is also the reason why some people think they are "psychic."

good luck gentlemen, think for yourselves!

Guys seriously, just chll.It's all good

Anyway, i keep hearing that Eyjafjallajokull's sister volcano, Katla could go up any day now and be 10 times worse. Is there any significant drop in novelty in the immediate future?

I've noticed some interesting new changes lately..

...when the tipping point happened ,flights began again in Europe.

Over here ,planes are flying to other countries from airports
that have until now mostly just been used for local flights.

Not all changes are catastrophic or bad. Most of them are actually good.

Right now we're in another dip into novelty. Here's what it looks like ;

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I look at it as a good opportunity to further my awareness
and learn interesting new things.

This dip in the Timewave Zero brought to me and my friends a horrible news: one of my classmates died tonight, at 20, only son.

Just like that respected member of ATS, this death has happened on a dip.

I always hoped no one of my classmates was to die young.

Obviously I felt terrible yesterday, just like something was terribly wrong.

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I'm sorry to read about your loss. You have my sympathies.

Changes are often difficult ,especially when they are new to us.



Today we're seeing a very similar pattern to last week.

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greetings fellow Timewave scholars!

I just found this forum/thread- it is great to see some sort of active conversation on McKenna/Timewave going on so I joined- I haven't had a chance to read the whole thing yet- but I wanted to introduce myself and my views on the Timewave idea-

I see a good chance for a 2012 Eschaton [or around that general time-frame]- if there is anything to that I think it will be a 'Blood Music' type accident that leads to Hard Takeoff [as in planetary mass or local spacetime converted to computronium in seconds by a new evolved/emerged SAI in highly compressed computer time]

the ancient calenders and galactic convergence ideas are just peculiar cultural artifacts- misinterpreted resonances and synchronicities of a Collective Unconscious idea we share in the genetic blueprint of the human neocortex- they are notable and peculiar because they are ideas that have been fitted to someone's intuition of the early 21st century period- they reveal the deeper nature of a time and an event that we can all SEE in our unconscious that we have pulled from all these different cultural traditions and ideas to try and explain why that date seems important- but independent of these Terence McKenna went ALL the way- and before any of these Mayan or bad folk astronomy concepts where first published or thought of he fully explored his own vision mathematically-

at the fundamental level physics is time asymmetric and the nature of ideas like MWI/Relativity/M-Theory should allow sufficiently advanced intelligence in our future to observe and influence it's own past- 'time travel' of various types- since time travel is a REAL possibility for advanced civilizations then the idea that the future can influence and be SEEN by those in the past is not 'magical' or strange at all- and as many of us saw in our visions the godlike intelligence beyond the Singularity/Eschaton is likely actually affecting it's own past in order to ensure it's own optimal existence- and visions of 2012 could be the result of information from the past being used to guide the past toward a specific future by beings in that future- so that like the Cosmos itself histories of universes are also like an Ouroboros- and spacetime has an overall loop topology where the future feeds back on the past

I also think we have probably grossly underestimated the implications of computers and quantum computers- what I mean is that if people like Deutsch/Tegmark/Lloyd are right- then our universe is also a quantum computation and quantum computers we build will be able to literally harness the multiverse- literally connect to infinite parallel states of our world that happen to be ALREADY be in a state of 'computronium' so our quantum computers will be able to harness those universes and become true Turing Oracle Machines- I think it is quite possible that some of the new quantum computer methods we are just now starting to see with qubits maintaining their states for long periods might unexpectedly feedback into the local multiverse and cause some real ontological upheaval as our shared observable state of reality gets sorted and reprogrammed by the multiverse itself- ACCIDENTALLY controlled by our quantum computers- 'Immanentizing the Eschaton' by transforming all the hierarchies of structures built from matter/energy and the quantum vacuum itself into conscious/intelligent/telepathic network processing nodes-

having personally witnessed what looked like a hard-takeoff Singularity of this type during the early 21st century in my own visions and similar corroborations from people like Terence McKenna- I am OBLIGED to consider a Dec 2012 'event' to be a real possibility- it is an event that the human brain can generally model and predict [and does so almost automatically when psychedelics are used to 'overclock' it's performance] and I think has been colored in superstitious cultural/religious metaphors by the people who witnessed it in the future

I recently put together a 20+ hour playlist of the best Terence McKenna talks on youtube- enjoy!

www.youtube.com.../user/97DE9ACCCB406EE2

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I've been wondering this about the Zero Point for a while now..

...when it happens ,will history stop repeating itself as we know it to?

I have been wondering and am still wondering.....



WHERE HAS EVASIUS GONE?

Something incredible happened...One of my friends, a girl, today told me she lost a friend in a car crash on April 25, called Davide!!! ( you know I was also worring about a Davide for something bad to happen )...
Both of us were listening to music when we knew the event...

Life never ceases to amaze me lately

Really, incredible...

Both of us lost a different friend on same day and received the news while we were doing the same things...

This means it must be a week of coincidence/sinchronicity CONVERGENCE.