Anti Smokers Suck

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Before the smoking ban I really can't recall any occasion where a non-smoker has asked me to put my cigarette out or to move away from them, okay being fair it's probably happened the once.

That's because the many thousands of non-smokers who were offended by your stinking habit didn't want to be as rude as you and simply put up with it.

Now people are realising that they just don't have to suffer from other peoples addictions.

Originally posted by RogerT

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Before the smoking ban I really can't recall any occasion where a non-smoker has asked me to put my cigarette out or to move away from them, okay being fair it's probably happened the once.

That's because the many thousands of non-smokers who were offended by your stinking habit didn't want to be as rude as you and simply put up with it.

Now people are realising that they just don't have to suffer from other peoples addictions.

Why would my "stinking habit" offend anyone? If you don't like the smell or your worried about 2nd hand smoke then you move away from me.

I've heard the pathetic "I have a right to clean air" excuse before, well I have a right to smoke if that's what I choose to do.

It's almost if you anti-smokers feel in some way that us smokers are deliberately trying to harm you!

As I've said in a previous post, there's just as many dangerous chemicals in car exhaust fumes but I bet you don't drive an electric vehicle?

I bet you don't worry that the exhaust fumes out of your car could be harming other people...?

So hypocritical.

How on earth am I being rude by smoking?

People don't have to suffer from other people addictions no more? What about global warming then? That affects everyone and isn't it partly down to man's addiction and usage of aerosols?

I might set up an anti non-smoker's group, we could hate all none smoker's because they don't allow us to infect their lungs which our dangerous and cancerous cigarette smoke! That's how daft some of you anti smokers come accross...

reply to post by Death_Kron


You see what you're doing right.

You can't reason most beliefs out of people, because reason didn't put those beliefs there.

It's futile, hopeless, useless. They'll think it, and it makes them feel godly for it, and self righteous.

Reason didn't put their ideologies there.

Originally posted by RogerT

That's because the many thousands of non-smokers who were offended by your stinking habit didn't want to be as rude as you and simply put up with it.

Now people are realising that they just don't have to suffer from other peoples addictions.

Can we see a picture of your beautiful glass house?

I'm going to create an aerosol of toxic gas, get 1,000's of people to stand around in 1,000's of public places and spray it into the air. We have a right to do this so [SNIP] if you don't like it then go somewhere else. Yeah! [SNIP]

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[edit on 17-6-2009 by Gemwolf]

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This isn't about smoking is it, it's much too personal to you.

This has nothing to do with smoking, as much as habits? What habits annoy you.

You know this has nothing to do with, it yet for some reason it's bothering you, it's obviously hit a nerve somewhere, that your associating with smoking, what is it.

Originally posted by contemplator
I'm going to create an aerosol of toxic gas, get 1,000's of people to stand around in 1,000's of public places and spray it into the air. We have a right to do this so [SNIP] if you don't like it then go somewhere else. Yeah! [SNIP]

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[edit on 17-6-2009 by Gemwolf]

I don't see you complaining about the vast amounts of toxic gas present in exhuast fumes being released into the atmosphere by the thousands of daily commuters on their way to work.

I don't suppose you have an electric car or you ride a bicycle to work ...

Face it, even if there wasn't a single smoker on the planet you would be still inhaling certain fumes/chemicals present in the atmosphere that are detrimental to health.

If you don't want to inhale 2nd hand smoke then thats fine; stand away from me. If you don't smoke yourself then that also isn't a problem, but I really do fail to understand why you would feel the need to almost hate smokers.

There's alot of other people in the world doing alot of other things that are harmful to our environment and the people in it.

Based on the assumption that you drive a car to work then I think you'll find your contradicting yourself.


[edit on 17/6/09 by Death_Kron]

[edit on 17/6/09 by Death_Kron]

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Originally posted by contemplator
I'm going to create an aerosol of toxic gas, get 1,000's of people to stand around in 1,000's of public places and spray it into the air. We have a right to do this so [SNIP] if you don't like it then go somewhere else. Yeah! [SNIP]

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[edit on 17-6-2009 by Gemwolf]

I don't see you complaining about the vast amounts of toxic gas present in exhuast fumes being released into the atmosphere by the thousands of daily commuters on their way to work.

I don't suppose you have an electric car or you ride a bicycle to work ...

Face it, even if there wasn't a single smoker on the planet you would be still inhaling certain fumes/chemicals present in the atmosphere that are detrimental to health.

If you don't want to inhale 2nd hand smoke then thats fine; stand away from me. If you don't smoke yourself then that also isn't a problem, but I really do fail to understand why you would feel the need to almost hate smokers.

There's alot of other people in the world doing alot of other things that are harmful to our environment and the people in it.

Based on the assumption that you drive a car to work then I think you'll find your contradicting yourself.


[edit on 17/6/09 by Death_Kron]

[edit on 17/6/09 by Death_Kron]

It's such a ridiculous argument that it's not even worth responding to. It's like saying.. hey the sun puts out radiation so while I walk down the side walk with my bag of plutonium just move out of the way if you don't want me to expose you.. and don't complain if you stand in the sunshine you hypocrite because that is also radioactive. Sure there is crap in our environment, sure we drive cars to get from point A to point B, to work to get food to get to the doctor to get our kids educated at school etc etc etc. Yes we are exposed to a variety of stuff but that does not give you an automatic golden ticket to sit in your car with kids in the back while you smoke. what is a smokers reasoning then??? Oh, them kids are gonna have a bus drive past em any minute so it don't matter. How can anyone support such a ridiculous mindset? The truth is, you are an addict and the drug is impairing your ability to think rationally. It is psychoactive in that it makes you find any reason to continue consuming it no matter how ridiculous.

Originally posted by contemplator

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Originally posted by contemplator
I'm going to create an aerosol of toxic gas, get 1,000's of people to stand around in 1,000's of public places and spray it into the air. We have a right to do this so [SNIP] if you don't like it then go somewhere else. Yeah! [SNIP]

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[edit on 17-6-2009 by Gemwolf]

I don't see you complaining about the vast amounts of toxic gas present in exhuast fumes being released into the atmosphere by the thousands of daily commuters on their way to work.

I don't suppose you have an electric car or you ride a bicycle to work ...

Face it, even if there wasn't a single smoker on the planet you would be still inhaling certain fumes/chemicals present in the atmosphere that are detrimental to health.

If you don't want to inhale 2nd hand smoke then thats fine; stand away from me. If you don't smoke yourself then that also isn't a problem, but I really do fail to understand why you would feel the need to almost hate smokers.

There's alot of other people in the world doing alot of other things that are harmful to our environment and the people in it.

Based on the assumption that you drive a car to work then I think you'll find your contradicting yourself.


[edit on 17/6/09 by Death_Kron]

[edit on 17/6/09 by Death_Kron]

It's such a ridiculous argument that it's not even worth responding to. It's like saying.. hey the sun puts out radiation so while I walk down the side walk with my bag of plutonium just move out of the way if you don't want me to expose you.. and don't complain if you stand in the sunshine you hypocrite because that is also radioactive. Sure there is crap in our environment, sure we drive cars to get from point A to point B, to work to get food to get to the doctor to get our kids educated at school etc etc etc. Yes we are exposed to a variety of stuff but that does not give you an automatic golden ticket to sit in your car with kids in the back while you smoke. what is a smokers reasoning then??? Oh, them kids are gonna have a bus drive past em any minute so it don't matter. How can anyone support such a ridiculous mindset? The truth is, you are an addict and the drug is impairing your ability to think rationally. It is psychoactive in that it makes you find any reason to continue consuming it no matter how ridiculous.

Your missing the point that the sun doesn't have a conscious ability to think, it isn't deliberately exposing us to radiation. People who drive cars are doing so with intent, and most of us realise that exhaust fumes are harmful.

Admit it, your being hypocritical; your saying I shouldn't smoke although I'm pretty sure you through some action are also putting people's health at risk i.e. like driving a car that emits dangerous exhuast fumes

Why do you find smoking so dangerous and harmful yet you don't have any qualms about exhaust fumes?

Or are you just being selfish; your saying I cannot/shouldn't smoke because it might damage YOUR health???

Unless you live with a smoker or work in a environment with cigarette smoke present (very unlikely now due to the smoking ban) your going to have very little contact with my smoke.

Do you really think the little whiff you might get when walking past someone in the street or standing at the bus stop is really going to affect your health that much? I don't.

I don't currently have any children but when I do I won't smoke in front of them. I see the point your making but your failing to realise that my kids would be around me constantly, alot more than any average joe off the street.

Me walking past you and you catching a little whiff is hardly going to affect your health in comparison to my kids sitting in the back of my car on a 4 hour trip.

Yes I am addicted to smoking, I don't understand why you say that in such a derogatory manner because I really don't have an issue admitting it.

To say smoking is psychoactive because it makes me find any reason to continue consuming it is a ridiculous notion!

I'm sorry but I continue smoking it because I enjoy it, I may enjoy it because I'm addicted to it but I'm also pretty sure there's aspects in your life that you couldn't give up due to being addicted i.e. your daily dose of coffee... etc

Do you eat at McDonalds? Because you do know that the saturated fats contained within their products are bad for your health?

As I have said before, Hypocrisy!

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Man, that's way too clever a come back for me. So clever I don't understand it

reply to post by Death_Kron


Your argument seems to be 'if other people are selfish and inconsiderate, then it's ok for me to be'.

And why do you think that if someone doesn't like your smoke, that they don't like you?

'if you don't like it, move away from me' ... very nice. How about if I come and lay a steaming turd on your table next to your dinner plate. If you don't like the smell, if you feel nauseous, you can simply 'move away' right?

Smoking in public is selfish and inconsiderate and almost always completely unconscious. Get over it. You can be a somnambulant selfish ass if you really want to, just don't keep trying to pretend you're not.

'Hi, My name's RogerT, and I'm an addict'

[edit on 17/6/09 by RogerT]

reply to post by RogerT


Smoking in public is inconsiderate? So I suppose I'll have to go away and smoke in a quiet little booth on my own in case you inhale one small puff of my cigarette?

You call me selfish when I have already stated that I wouldn't smoke in front of my future children and would never blow smoke in a non-smokers face?

That's really selfish isn't it?

People like you have already made it so I cannot sit inside a pub and enjoy a smoke, I now have to sit outside. When summer comes and you sit outside next to me your going to complain again right?

Lay a steaming turd on my table? Again, why do you anti-smokers take such personal offence that I smoke?

I'm not trying to kill you, I'm not trying to poision you either - I'm simply trying to enjoy my smoke, if you don't like it and feel that strongly then don't sit next to me.

I have just as much right to sit down and enjoy a smoke as you have to sit down and choose not too.

RogerT, I'm pretty sure there's something in your life that your addicted too mate, but I'm not sitting here voicing my concerns about it am I?

Your the one who needs to get over it, your the one who needs to get off your high horse and accept there are smokers in the world.

Do I see you complaining about carbon monoxide/exhaust fumes/global warming/oil pollution..... NO

For some reason you choose smoking to argue and complain against but fail to see the vast majority of other reasons/things that people are doing/could do to damage your health.

If your that bothered then I suppose you follow a perfectly balanced diet, never drink coffee or tea, never drink alcohol, never expose yourself to sunlight, ride a bicycle to work, live in a cave...

If you did the above then I would excuse you but I highly doubt you do, so lets stop being hypocritical eh?

Do you drive an electric car?

I smoke, but I do not drive a car ever. I haven't driven a car in about 7 years.

So if you drive a car, you pollute the air more than I do. Don't worry, I'm not a hypocrite who is going to push for you to quit driving.

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by RogerT

 

Smoking in public is inconsiderate? So I suppose I'll have to go away and smoke in a quiet little booth on my own in case you inhale one small puff of my cigarette?

Well yes, that would be an example of consideration for non-smokers.

You call me selfish when I have already stated that I wouldn't smoke in front of my future children and would never blow smoke in a non-smokers face?

Unless you have some extraordinary telekinetic gift and are able to control the flow of cigarette smoke in the atmosphere, then you have 'blown smoke in non-smokers faces' every single time you light up in public.

The fact that you claim you would never smoke in the prescence of your future kids makes you considerate only to them. You still remain inconsiderate to everyone else.

People like you have already made it so I cannot sit inside a pub and enjoy a smoke, I now have to sit outside. When summer comes and you sit outside next to me your going to complain again right?

Yes. There are few things more irritating and unpleasant than enjoying a quiet drink outside in the summer, and along comes some half-asleep inconsiderate smoker who's actions either make it necessary to walk away, or suck up the stink from his addiction.

Lay a steaming turd on my table? Again, why do you anti-smokers take such personal offence that I smoke?

The analogy is sound. Only difference is that I would be being somewhat conscious during my act of contaminating your space. Also, it would be selective to one person (and no doubt whoever is sitting with you at the table). Your act affects everyone in the room.

I'm not trying to kill you, I'm not trying to poision you either - I'm simply trying to enjoy my smoke, if you don't like it and feel that strongly then don't sit next to me.

I know you aren't. You are not conscious of the effects of your addiction because you are a smoker. My intention here is to help you to become more aware and hopefully take some responsibility.

Look, I feel for you. Not long ago, you could smoke away to your hearts content, oblivious to the unpleasantness you were creating for those around you. Back then, it was 'socially acceptable', and non-smokers simply had to put up with it.

Times have changed, and smoking is now socially unacceptable. This is having the effect of forcing smokers to become conscious of their habit, as they are constantly reminded of it. However, the mechanics of addiction require the ego to delude itself by rationalising and fabricating the kind of nonsense you are putting forth here in this thread.

'I enjoy it', 'it tastes good', 'it helps me concentrate' 'it helps me relax', are all delusional creations of the ego, driven by a chemical craving. That itch must be scratched, and I must make my scratching acceptable to my other values and ideals.

You are a good guy, you don't wish to offend, hurt, upset or inconvenience others, yet your addiction causes you to do just that. Bit of a mind fk.

The first step, is being willing to accept that the practice of your habit in public is inconsiderate to others. It's a step towards becoming conscious. Next step is to begin smoking consciously. You'll notice that most of the time, you're hurting yourself, only sometimes there's a benefit. You'll cut back on the numbers and eventually the craving will simply disappear, only to resurface from time to time with minimal intensity.

Try this: agree to never light up unless you are alone and can fully and completely focus your attention on the act of smoking. If you can't do that, just try the exercise every now and then. I promise your relationship with cigarettes will change forever.

RogerT, I'm pretty sure there's something in your life that your addicted too mate, but I'm not sitting here voicing my concerns about it am I?

Yes indeed there are, many. However we're posting in a thread about anti-smokers, so none of that is relevant to this discussion. Just more egoic diversionary tactic.

Do I see you complaining about carbon monoxide/exhaust fumes/global warming/oil pollution..... NO

Not in this thread no, but in other relevant discussions, yes.

For some reason you choose smoking to argue and complain against but fail to see the vast majority of other reasons/things that people are doing/could do to damage your health.

I'm posting in a thread about smoking. Man, let it go, it's a poor argument.

If your that bothered then I suppose you follow a perfectly balanced diet, never drink coffee or tea, never drink alcohol, never expose yourself to sunlight, ride a bicycle to work, live in a cave...

If you did the above then I would excuse you but I highly doubt you do, so lets stop being hypocritical eh?

I wonder if you will get any of my above post. I spent some time putting it together as a genuine contribution.

Indeed, I am at times hypocritical and much worse. You can hang onto this idea you have that another's hypocrisy justifies your own inconsideration, or you can begin the process of waking up.

Best
R

[edit on 18/6/09 by RogerT]

reply to post by RogerT


Yes it would be an example of consideration towards non-smokers I'll accept that. However, could you tell me why your allowed to sit outside and not smoke but I'm not allowed to sit outside and smoke?

You don't own the atmosphere my friend and the fact is that there isn't no law about where you can or cannot smoke outside.

So with that in mind there isn't really any reason why I should stop smoking if you asked me outsite in a pub garden? Unless of course I cared about your feelings or was doing the mature thing.

Fair enough you don't like smoking, fair enough you don't like the smell but don't you realise how cheeky it is to ask someone to stop or move away?

If it's you who has the issue with it then YOU move away.

Fact of the manner remains that the smoking ban applies indoors not outside, so just because the smoking law has been applied doesn't now mean that every anti-smoker can start demanding us to move!

You've already made it so can't smoke inside and now your starting to tell us what to do when outside. You can't just start telling people what to do because you don't like something.

I've already explained that my future children sitting the car with for 4 hours put them in a position where theyre going to inhale ALOT more smoke than you would walking past me in a pub garden or bus stop.

It's simple you go outside, you seen someone smoking, you don't sit next to them. Easy!

I don't know why you liken a smoker to being half-asleep, I assume because your trying to describe theyre not aware of their actions?

Well its simple again, why should I not enjoy my smoke just because you don't like it? If you feel that strongly then move...

The analogy isn't exactly sound because as you said it would be a person, directed action and again it seems to me like your taking it as a personal attack me having a cigarette.

Of course I'm aware of my actions, I understand that smoking is harmful and I understand some people don't like it. But it's killing ME, not you.

I don't understand how have a cigarette can offend someone so much...

Why should I only light up when no ones around? If I want a cigarette at the moment in time I'll have one, and I'm afraid no one can stop me.

It is relevant that your addicted to certain things in your life and the fact I'm not voicing concern about them. Yes, this is a thread about smoking however I wouldn't criticize your addictions/habbits anyway or in any topic.

What you do with your life is none of my business.

You liken my smoking to that of lets say a house party with raging music blasting away all hours. I can indeed understand you would maybe knock on the door of said house and ask them to turn the music down, is that how you feel about smoking?

Because the difference in the house situation a crime is being committed, a public disorder offence. You have every right to ask them to turn the music down.

Smoking outside isn't illegal my friend, if you don't like it then don't sit near me.

Can I just ask have you at any time asked a smoker to stop while you was in his presence? I'm talking in a public situation like outside a pub.
If so could you describe the conversation?



[edit on 18/6/09 by Death_Kron]

Well I thought I'd be wasting my time, but it was worth a shot anyway.

No worries ... enjoy your fags ... last post from me.

ciao ciao

reply to post by RogerT


I will enjoy my fags mate, don't worry about that. I didn't think you would listen either, I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree... no hard feelings.

Your lack of answer though proves my point ;-)

reply to post by Death_Kron


Must be English, nobody in North America call cigs fags, and saying you enjoy fags, well it just sounds wrong.

Anyways....smokers are on the outs, where I work when I first started there 11 years ago 50% of the staff smoked, now only about 5% do, most have quit.

Second hand smoke is the issue non-smokers have with smokers, you want to smoke that's your free choice, just don't get close enough to me, that you pollute the air that I am breathing. Otherwise I really don't care.

However people also tend to get very cranky when they don't get there smoke break on time, and I never liked that part of some smokers personalities either.

The interesting thing I've found about anti smokers is that (as a group) they are extremely hostile and condescending.
They don't seem to see smokers as fellow humans who have a vice but as enemies to be attacked and ridiculed.
Most of the anti smokers I know have their own problems, vices and issues yet seem to think that they are beyond reproach because they are on the moral high ground of hating people who use tobacco.

Where does the deep seated hostility come from?

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Yep its an English slang term for cigs, although I admit it does actually sound quite dodgy saying I enjoy my fags - never thought of it like that!

I'll agree and say less people are smoking than they used to, maybe because of the smoking ban and the fact they can't smoke inside no more.

Your statement about if I want to smoke then that's my choice is spot. As I've said above I wouldn't blow smoke into a non-smokers face and I'm not smoking to offend them.

Fair enough about not polluting your air and not getting close to you but I'd also say the same thing about you not getting close to me. It's pretty obviously but if you saw me sitting outside having a cig you would sit elsewhere?

That's the point I have been trying to make.

Personally I don't get irritated when I've not had a cig, I'll admit there are smokers out there like this but believe it or not that annoys me just as much as it does you.

If anything I look forward to a cig more when I've not had one and tend to enjoy it more.