Here is why God doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Daniem
reply to post by tinfoilman

 

Again, you show poor understanding. You seem to think that i say;
-there isnt evidence for god or aliens,
therefore we should think that they do not exist.

Im acctually saying;
-there isnt evidence for god or aliens,
therefore you shouldnt think they DO exist.

Actually you show poor understanding of your own words. You just messed yourself up. In your previous post you said this.

As you didnt bring any evidence at all, i can only assume you dint have any.

You just said since I haven't shown you any evidence you have to assume my evidence doesn't exist. According to the same logic then, you haven't shown me any aliens. Therefore I must assume they don't exist correct?

Also, the article I sent you about alcohol only talks about moderate alcohol. Obviously you didn't read it. It's not referring to if drinking too much is bad. It's simply saying that we used to think moderate drinking had some benefits. Now our great leaders the scientists are saying they don't know if moderate alcohol has any benefits after all.

So, they made people across the world believe alcohol in moderation was good for them and had them rush out and buy something and drink it everyday and now we find out it may do nothing good for us or even worse, be bad for us. That's our great scientific leadership. Leading us right into full retard. But again, the study only focused on MODERATE drinking. We all know drinking too much is bad for you. Until next week when a new study comes out.


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Sorry, mate, doesn't work that way! But that is the sort of nonsense spouted by Creationist sites.

To fully understand the connectedness of all life (and evolution) you must peer in to the cellular and genetic levels.

And you are 100% positive everything evolved in this manner.....How? I take it you were around and documenting the process of evolution?

For starters I don't believe everything just because it was put in a book or someone posts a youtube clip. I question everything including my faith and WILL eventually find the answer when I die.

As for scientists, although they have incredible advances in science they still have plenty of flaws and inaacurate inconsistencies which are nothing more than unproven theory.

Big bang for instance. How or where has this ever been a proven fact? Man has yet to even touch the boundaries of space. It's the equivelent of me only ever being in my front yard and I tell you what's happening in the rest of the world because I have high powered optics. What about the innacuracies with the carbon dating. give or take a few hundred or thousand years? Yeah,... that's reliable besides the fact that it may be more innaccurate considering we have no true verification of fact aside from the scientists doing the work.

As crazy as creationism sounds, evolution sounds no better to me. As for me...I don't know the truth nor do you... so until we pass this life and enter whatever is next... all we are doing is stating our opinions and posting youtube clips of someone elses opinion.

I respect your belief and reasons for embracing it, but I have my own beliefs and don't count out ANY ones.Again we will find the truth when we pass from this world to whatever is next.

reply to post by tinfoilman

You just said since I haven't shown you any evidence you have to assume my evidence doesn't exist.

I get that feeling, yeah. You say you have evidence, but for some reason refuse to share it. Makes me feel like you're not beeing sincere. I mean, we are after all discussing gods existance here, might help your case. Not posting off topic links to studies on alcohol.

We all know drinking too much is bad for you. Until next week when a new study comes out.

Studies are studies, and as said, even if there is a new study next week, the one last week is still correct in its facts. Retarded people choose to run out and drink because of this. Its just that they think they have an excuse now. "a study showed this and that positive thing happen if you drink. obviously this means no bad can come of it. lets get our drink on"

I don't profess belief in any one idea of who or what "God" is, but I still always liked the treatment of God in the "Oh God!" movies...

The little girl asks God, "God, why do you let bad things happen?", and his answer is just classic...."You see," says God (played by George Burns), "I never learned how to make anything with just one side..." "What do you mean?" the little girl asks. God answers, "Can't make light without dark, good without evil, (etc....)"....

Always loved that. The Christian (and some other) ideas about a "perfect" deity are of course, pretty easy to show as false...(i.e. a being can't be "perfect" if imperfection exists in his creations)....but not all religious ideas of "God" are perfection. Most of the older ones had gods that were all too flawed.

Originally posted by Daniem
Posted by Tinfoilman:

I have evidence, but you would never believe it as evidence. Everything I would provide you would say is fake and immediately try to debunk it and if you could not you would simply say well one day we'll prove it's fake.

Wrong. Believers believe without the need for evidence (faith) and a skeptic requires evidence. If evidence was provided then the skeptic would believe what the religious believer believes.

Many think "Believers" are gullible, close minded and irrational not because of their belief but because of the "logic" they use in supporting and "proving" it, plus their unwillingness to accept evidence that goes against that belief.


Skeptics have a useful foundation of scientific knowledge and an aptitude for following the scientific method. These tools allow us to distinguish poor quality evidence from good quality evidence.

And, importantly, they help restrain us from drawing poorly supported conclusions from the evidence that we do accept, no matter how strongly we want those conclusions to be justified.

Then you haven't used an iota of your own rhetoric. Show me the experiment YOU used via the "scientific method" to substantiate even 10% of that "stuff" you are claiming. Logical analysis of your posts indicates you have given us nothing but your opinions and even the word faith you used against the believer yet how many experiments did it take the wright brothers or to achieve the electric light bulb?

Most would have given up on things which at the time we had no apriori knowledge of that they even COULD work, yet what was it that gave those men the energey to keep on trying?

FAITH my dear and like the believer in God it was faith the belief in things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

It is the very cornerstone of Darwinian macro-evolution because it is their belief of the transmutations hoped for, speculations not withstanding, the evidence to this day,,

remains un-observed.

[edit on 6/17/2009 by UltraAgentGirl]

Originally posted by Daniem
reply to post by tinfoilman

 

You just said since I haven't shown you any evidence you have to assume my evidence doesn't exist.

I get that feeling, yeah. You say you have evidence, but for some reason refuse to share it. Makes me feel like you're not beeing sincere. I mean, we are after all discussing gods existance here, might help your case. Not posting off topic links to studies on alcohol.

We all know drinking too much is bad for you. Until next week when a new study comes out.

Studies are studies, and as said, even if there is a new study next week, the one last week is still correct in its facts. Retarded people choose to run out and drink because of this. Its just that they think they have an excuse now. "a study showed this and that positive thing happen if you drink. obviously this means no bad can come of it. lets get our drink on"

Well alright then. I see what you're saying. Let's get back on topic then from a philosophical point of view. If there's no God don't you think it's kind of odd we're all alone in the universe? This big giant universe and there's nobody in it but us? Unless of course you're saying I should still believe in aliens even though we have no evidence they exist. I mean that would just be stupid right? It'd be liked believing in a winged pink unicorn with golden buck teeth right? That's just silly right? I mean, if there's no evidence it's probably not there is it? Just like God. No evidence so he probably doesn't exist right? Just like the unicorn and the aliens right?

But then according to that logic it means we're probably all alone in the universe then doesn't it? Doesn't that seem odd to you? Or perhaps is the logic faulty? Which would be the simpler explanation? Faulty logic, or that we're probably all alone. Which is the best explanation do you think?


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Here is the answer, TIME.

If after the bible account of the fall of Adam & Eve and the Angel that became the Devil, God said I am going to have this whole mess cleaned up within a week-7 days, would most humans be happy with that? I would say yes.

God's week is 7000 years, we are now 6034 years into that week, embedded within that is the 1000 year reign of Christ. A couple of unknown variables are in play as well. But God is right on schedule. From his perspective of Time he will have everything fixed fairly quickly.

From a human perspective he should have fixed things already, because every generation has wanted to see it fixed when they where alive. But that's only 70-100 years at the most.

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reply to post by tinfoilman

If there's no God don't you think it's kind of odd we're all alone in the universe? This big giant universe and there's nobody in it but us?

No, not odd. The universe was here long before we came here. If life on earth was destroyed by nukes, meteors or something tomorrow, then there would be nonone in the universe as far as we know.

We dont know if life only occured on earth, there might be lots of life out there (and aliens). But we cant believe in it until we find evidence.

Just like God. No evidence so he probably doesn't exist right? Just like the unicorn and the aliens right?

I never said they dont exist, and we shouldnt believe they definitly dont. As i already posted earlier:

-there isnt evidence for god or aliens,
therefore you shouldnt think they DO exist.

That would be just as irrational as believeing in the invicible pink unicorn.

Remember, there is a difference between lacking belief in them, and believing they dont exist.

You should lack belief in them until we find evidence.

Since the 'revolution' brought about by Quantum Mechanics, reality is now being described as set of probabilities!

Science is no longer as absolute as it used to be and I think that's good!

[edit on 18-6-2009 by ahnggk]

Originally posted by Daniem
reply to post by tinfoilman

 

If there's no God don't you think it's kind of odd we're all alone in the universe? This big giant universe and there's nobody in it but us?

No, not odd. The universe was here long before we came here. If life on earth was destroyed by nukes, meteors or something tomorrow, then there would be nonone in the universe as far as we know.

We dont know if life only occured on earth, there might be lots of life out there (and aliens). But we cant believe in it until we find evidence.

Just like God. No evidence so he probably doesn't exist right? Just like the unicorn and the aliens right?

I never said they dont exist, and we shouldnt believe they definitly dont. As i already posted earlier:

-there isnt evidence for god or aliens,
therefore you shouldnt think they DO exist.

That would be just as irrational as believeing in the invicible pink unicorn.

Remember, there is a difference between lacking belief in them, and believing they dont exist.

You should lack belief in them until we find evidence.

Well maybe we could get some real evidence. Maybe with just a bit of tax payer money we could start up something and look for God or something. You wouldn't mind if I used some of your tax payer money to look for God would you? Just like aliens. We don't have any evidence for them but we're looking right? Why don't we look for God? Why would we look for aliens if we "lack" belief in them BTW?

All I need is a little bit of tax payer money to get it started? We could set up a big radio antenna or something and look for signals from God just like people do with aliens. We just need it tuned to another frequency you know.
SETI
Of course, you'd call me crazy if I set up a big thing like that to search for God wouldn't you? There's no evidence he exists right? Well at least SETI is pretty much privately funded now so I guess they can do what they want. But it got started with tax payer money. So all I need is a start?

Or maybe we could send probes or something all around the solar system looking for signs of intelligent angels with your tax payer money right? We just need to put a few extra sensors on it right?
Phoenix
Oh, that'd be crazy right?

So, is that the logic then? We shouldn't believe in something until we have evidence, so of course it makes perfect sense to spend billions of dollars of other people's money on equipment to look for things we shouldn't be believing in?

Does that make any sense? Unless you're saying it's okay to believe that something like that "might exist". Well I don't know if God exists, but he "might" exist right? So, shouldn't we be trying to find out? I just need a little loan? Come on? Put something on it yo!

Or or like when I was in school I remember the teachers trying to tell me there might be intelligent life out there that had evolved, but they had no evidence. But when the school teachers try to teach that maybe we were created, with no evidence, or intelligent design with no evidence or there might be a God with no evidence that's considered horrible and absolutely ridiculous by the scientific community. And we're damaging our kids right? Well if we're alone in the universe isn't also damaging to teach our kids that aliens probably exist somewhere out there? How much money might future generations spend looking for something that isn't there? We have no idea how much harm we're doing!

Come on, nobody has any evidence of aliens. How come they can use my tax money to teach my kids about aliens and use my tax money to go looking for aliens on other barren planets, but it's not okay to use tax payer money to teach our kids about the different religions?

We have the same amount of proof that gods exists as the scientists do that aliens exist. Absolutely none. How come we can use tax money to look for one, but not the other?

If you shouldn't believe in something until you have evidence, then how would you ever get the evidence? I'll accept your answer. You shouldn't believe in something if you don't have proof. But that doesn't mean you should believe it doesn't exist either. It just means you don't know for sure. Alright.

Okay, according to that logic, does it make any sense to go looking for aliens just because we "believe" they might be out there? We don't have any proof? Should we teach our kids about aliens even though we don't know if they're really out there? If that's the case then shouldn't we teach them about big foot and pink unicorns too? After all, there might be pink unicorns out there. Just because we haven't seen one doesn't mean they don't exist right?

So, shouldn't we shut down SETI until we have proof that aliens actually exist? Or you could say the opposite. We should do our best to explore and see what's out there because we don't know what's out there. And we should teach our kids all the possibilities because we don't really know what's possible.

But if that's the case then wouldn't we have to teach our kids that there might be sea monsters and wizards and witches and ghosts and spirits and God might exist? Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean anything right?

But you'd say that's silly. Why waste our time worrying about something that there's no evidence of? But if that's the case shouldn't we shut down SETI? Or are little green men just the scientists new God? Is it okay to use tax payer money to go looking for their alien angel big foots simply because they believe their little green men really exist, but it's not okay to teach children about God and what I believe might really actually exist even though I have no proof whatsoever?

I mean, if I have to stop looking for God and I have to stop teaching my kids about God then that means you all have to stop teaching my kids about all the other things we don't have any evidence of either right? Like aliens.

Or, is it still okay to believe in something even if you don't know for sure?

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reply to post by tinfoilman

We have the same amount of proof that gods exists as the scientists do that aliens exist. Absolutely none. How come we can use tax money to look for one, but not the other?

I dont know. I dont wanna pay for any of those things. SETI could even be risky, cause if a hostile force picks up their signal, we could have trouble.

I'll accept your answer. You shouldn't believe in something if you don't have proof. But that doesn't mean you should believe it doesn't exist either. It just means you don't know for sure. Alright.

Finaly! Thats what im saying. You dont know, and so you should lack a belief in its existance until you get the proof.

does it make any sense to go looking for aliens just because we "believe" they might be out there?

Aliens, aliens... i'd call it life. We know that there is life on earth. Where there are planets, there may be life. Its happened here.

I'd think it would be most logical to look on earth like planets, but they are kind of far away. So maybe check whats on the moon and mars first? We are just getting started on the whole space exploration, so we'll have to wait.

I mean, if I have to stop looking for God and I have to stop teaching my kids about God then that means you all have to stop teaching my kids about all the other things we don't have any evidence of either right? Like aliens.

The problem with god is that people seem to find him everywhere. And when it is discovered what it realy was, they claim god was responsable for that instead.

Example: "god throws lightning, god makes lightning". Then we found out out that it just comes from clouds, and they say, "well god created clouds." They just move god one step up.

Then we might find out that no, clouds arent made by a god, they form from this and that. Then they simply put god above that too,"he made that process", its always god did it whenever we dont know. But we always seem to figure out the truth, so i dont see a point in thinking like those people.

Just like they say: god made earth, humans and stars, even though stars form naturally (today), and we have an idea of how earth and humans came to be.

So do continiue to look for god if you want, but dont assume he did everything until you acctually have some evidence (a little better evidence than lightning, just as an example)

Originally posted by Daniem
reply to post by tinfoilman

 

We have the same amount of proof that gods exists as the scientists do that aliens exist. Absolutely none. How come we can use tax money to look for one, but not the other?

I dont know. I dont wanna pay for any of those things. SETI could even be risky, cause if a hostile force picks up their signal, we could have trouble.

I'll accept your answer. You shouldn't believe in something if you don't have proof. But that doesn't mean you should believe it doesn't exist either. It just means you don't know for sure. Alright.

Finaly! Thats what im saying. You dont know, and so you should lack a belief in its existance until you get the proof.

does it make any sense to go looking for aliens just because we "believe" they might be out there?

Aliens, aliens... i'd call it life. We know that there is life on earth. Where there are planets, there may be life. Its happened here.

I'd think it would be most logical to look on earth like planets, but they are kind of far away. So maybe check whats on the moon and mars first? We are just getting started on the whole space exploration, so we'll have to wait.

I mean, if I have to stop looking for God and I have to stop teaching my kids about God then that means you all have to stop teaching my kids about all the other things we don't have any evidence of either right? Like aliens.

The problem with god is that people seem to find him everywhere. And when it is discovered what it realy was, they claim god was responsable for that instead.

Example: "god throws lightning, god makes lightning". Then we found out out that it just comes from clouds, and they say, "well god created clouds." They just move god one step up.

Then we might find out that no, clouds arent made by a god, they form from this and that. Then they simply put god above that too,"he made that process", its always god did it whenever we dont know. But we always seem to figure out the truth, so i dont see a point in thinking like those people.

Just like they say: god made earth, humans and stars, even though stars form naturally (today), and we have an idea of how earth and humans came to be.

So do continiue to look for god if you want, but dont assume he did everything until you acctually have some evidence (a little better evidence than lightning, just as an example)

No I want tax payers money to teach kids about God in school just like these teachers are teaching about aliens. Aliens are not more logical. They're like a pink unicorn. You have no evidence of them. It's completely hogwash. If you can use my tax money to look for aliens then I want some tax money to teach your kids about my religion and to do experiments to find out what God is.

There should be nothing wrong with teaching creationism in school if you can teach them that rubbish about little green men living on some other planet. That's pure hogwash. Who would believe such a silly thing. You don't have one bit of proof and you're going to go around saying that crap is more logical? Yeah right, prove it! Where's your evidence? Sounds like a fairy tale to me.

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reply to post by tinfoilman

There should be nothing wrong with teaching creationism in school if you can teach them that rubbish about little green men living on some other planet.

Well they surtainly dont teach us that where i went to school. They taught us about religions, sure, but not about aliens or little green men. If they teach that where you live I dont know whats going on.

You don't have one bit of proof and you're going to go around saying that crap is more logical?

Listen here Tinfoilman, get it through your tinfoil head, i never said logicaly there must be aliens in space, stop with the lies already! You dont seem to understand anything, i think you're either trolling or very, very confused. If that is the case i cant discuss anything with you.

I said regarding LIFE: I'd think it would be most logical to look on earth-like planets.

reply to post by Daniem


Well yeah I have a trolling tone obviously, but I'm yet being serious at the same time. But you never learned about aliens in school? In my school we learned about what life on other planets might be like. Would it be carbon based or what it might look like. Stuff like that. I didn't have a problem with it. I just trying to show how this negative attitude of SHOW ME THE PROOF looks from the other side. That's how believers are treated everyday. Isn't so fun is it?

I mean, I'm not anti-science. I'm just saying this whole proof and evidence thing. That's just a front. What's really going on is some people hate religion and some people hate the people that hate religion and they're fighting and trying to bring us normal people into it.

And it works both ways too, but I mean it's not really about evidence because they teach Greek mythology in school and nobody cares because it's history. But that's because we've abandoned that religion. But try to teach kids about any religion that we still believe in and the atheists just go CRAZY! Even if all you're trying to do is explain it's history. Try to teach about evolution and the religious nuts do the same thing. It's they're just afraid their children will believe in something they don't.

And I don't really think life on other planets is anymore or less logical then god per se. I mean millions or even billions have claimed to either talk to gods or see gods or they've written about gods. I think it's illogical all these people were liars or seeing things too. I don't know what they saw, but it was something.


Like, let me talk about what I meant when I said our TV masters. Look at UFOs. We have video. We have eye witness testimony. We have physical implants. We have abductions. We have cattle mutilations. We have them on radar. We have fighter pilots chasing after them. We may even have crash wreckage.

So you ask someone, hey do you believe in UFOs? And most people say no or not sure. Why? Well the videos could be faked. The witnesses could be lying. The cattle was just a government test. The radar may have been malfunctioing. The fighter pilots deny the story. Even if people see an alien in person they might say, well it was a trick. Or I was just seeing things. My mind was playing a trick on me.

You can always explain it away. This is what I mean when I say people can't see evidence if they choose to believe it's not real. You can always explain it away of what it "might" have been. Like, well do you have any proof the radar was malfunctioning? Well no I don't, but it must have been. I don't have any proof it was working correctly either right? See, you can always explain it away if you choose not to believe it.

They just REFUSE to accept what's right in front of them. Why? They're afraid to decide for themselves what they believe in and what they don't. They're waiting for someone else to tell them what to believe..

This is where the TV masters come into play. Since we don't have enough courage to be wrong, the MSM is perfectly willing to come in and tell us what we believe for us. And then they call it science.

A good majority of those people that refuse to believe in UFOs and explain away every bit of evidence you present them. Even if you don't give them one bit of evidence they didn't already have. Those same people would believe tomorrow if someone from the government got on TV and said, yes UFOs are real. We're positive and we know for sure. All of a sudden, just because someone from the gov came along and told them it's okay to believe in them, a lot of people that didn't believe in them will with the same "evidence".

It's not because they're waiting for the evidence. They already have the evidence. It's because they're waiting for an authority figure to tell them that the evidence is really evidence.

But evidence is always under "debate". Like Ida the missing link. Some scientists say it's the missing link. Some say it's not. The BIG TV EVENT they did on Ida though would have you believe there is no debate though. But that's because they're perfectly happy to tell you what to believe. Even though every piece of evidence ever discovered is pretty much still under debate.

And it's the same thing with religion. We have the shroud of Turin and most people forget the Bible didn't used to be one book. It used to be lots of books written by different people at different times that all told about this Jesus guy so they were collected and put into a collection. So, now what people say is well, where's the historical documentation outside of the Bible he was real? Well we kind put it all together in this one book so.... It used to be in multiple sources though.

And again if these guys went around writing stories about their imaginary friend that didn't really exist I think the historians would have written about that as well. But more importantly that's just speculation.

I'm not saying it's evidence. But I'm saying a lot of people are waiting for their TV masters to tell them what is evidence and what isn't. Because if the MSM agrees with you you'll notice they push it like SOME BIG TV EVENT or they'll push books. Like look how hard they pushed Gore's book on global warming.

However, if an honest scientist comes out that isn't trying to sell something you'll notice the MSM doesn't pay them much attention at all. Like if somebody comes out and says it's not all man made like NASA did you'll notice it probably doesn't even get mentioned on TV and if it does, they either don't say much. Or it'll be on Fox news because that's their agenda.

But no matter what we're talking about, there's evidence for both sides, but you have to believe in one side or the other or let the MSM make your decision for you because basically most people aren't scientists and so the media can pretty much control you with their "evidence" that way by simply choosing which evidence they'll push and which they won't.

Or let me rephrase. It's not that there's always evidence for both sides, but you can always get two guys to look at it and fight about the results. And it's really because our "science" is imperfect in some aspect. Really it doesn't come down to the evidence. It's based on belief again. You have to have faith in what one guys believes the evidence is telling him.

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reply to post by Nyte Angel
Sadly, most people won't believe in God until they've passed into eternity. Countless self-proclaimed "atheists" have lived their lives "preaching" there is no God until they themselves knew they were going to die. Some of them had a change of heart and acknowledged God and Jesus before they died but most of them didn't. For many people, the reality of eternity doesn't hit them until they are just steps away from entering eternity themselves. It is easy to say there is no God while we are healthy and full of life. It is easy to deny His existence and find ways to push Him out of our thoughts so that we don't have to think about eternity. But whether one believes or doesn't believe - or says they don't believe - isn't going to change the fact that God does exist.

More times than not, it isn't helpful to have discussions on whether God is real or not because almost everytime it leads to fights and name calling. Those who say they don't believe in God will still go away with not believing in God and those who do believe will still believe. So basically it ends up as nothing more than a strokefest with both sides going away feeling better about themselves.

There are two types of people. Those who believe in God and those who don't. Those who believe the Bible as the inspired word of God and those who don't. Those who believe in an eternal life in God's celestial city in heaven and those who don't. And even though people say they don't believe the bible is God's word, I will quote from it anyway.

"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." - Matthew 7:13,14

The number of non-believers far outnumber the number of believers and this will never change. This scripture confirms that statement. Many who say they don't believe in God say it only because they feel it's easier to live life without God. Professing not to believe in the existance of God is a form of escapism from the truth. Again, most will continue to follow along this path that leads to destruction and nothing I say or anybody else says will change that.

Just the fact that we have this planet to live on with the trees and mountains and everything in nature and the variety of animals and insects should be proof enough that God exists. But it isn't. Through man's own foolish "wisdom" we are taught that all of these things came into being by "chance." There was the right combination of organisms or germs in the water for life to begin. Of course, explaining where the water came from is another discussion altogether. In man's foolish non-wisdom, if we can't understand something based on our own knowledge or through verification by science, then it isn't real. Science can't prove the existance of God so He must not exist.

"Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding." - Proberbs 3:5

Believing in God isn't hard. All we have to do is trust in Him. It is something we will either do or not do. It's our choice. But most will choose not to because the path that leads to eternal life in heaven is narrow and few there be that find it. There isn't an argument that I can make here today that is going to change too many people's minds. Most of us have already chosen the path that we will follow into our own personal eternity. How many people have already entered that eternity and are now remembering the warnings they heard while still alive. For them it is too late.

I will close this the same way I began it. Most people won't believe - or acknowledge God until they've entered their own eternity. But by then it will be too late.

reply to post by F15-Pilot

But by then it will be too late.

Nope. Sorry. Not. Buying. It.

There is no 'eternity', at least not in the simplistic gobbledegook that is spouted by mainstream 'religions'.

Entropy sees to that.

As another 'new' thread is pointing out, Humans created 'god'. It started in the imaginings of pre-historic people, unable to comprehend Nature any other way. Even the ancient Greeks and Romans, as advanced, for their day, as they were, were multi-theistic. Sometimes, though, I wonder if all of it wasn't a little bit tongue-in-cheek! I mean, nobody really believed iin Thor, sitting above and throwing lightning bolts around....did they?

No....there is not one person alive today who knows the 'answer'. Anyone who says otherwise is either delusional, or running a con game.

Ok there is no understanding whatsoever in the OP/ The soul has not reached understanding yet.

This is what satan does to souls with either little or blinded understanding. He puts all things in their heads, turns them around, distorts truth and created an idol mind out of souls who haven't reached understanding yet.


by this qoute alone,.


" If he does exist he doesn't care about us "


The fact is that, (if) God exist, as you are indicating and can create lets say you.

Ok, you are good. You wouldn't do anything bad to the human race. You, a little pile of bones and flesh whom came from the source you deny and ridicule.


Ok. Now how can that source of love be in you, yet in God, the one who gave it to you, it is devoid?


How can a creature have love and yet blame the source it comes from>

?

The answer.

Pride.

This is what satan does to souls. And the outcome is they blame the source instead of humbling themselves out and try to understand God is cannot be understood by our weak minds.


The only thing you should know is that he is the author of all goodness. Or esle, it wouldn't even be imp,anted in our souls.


This is why st paul said feed the souls who haven't reached understanding, with milk instead of meat.

the OP is an example.


If he goes to communion and confession, and has God literally enter into him, he will see the difference. that's what happened to me, and the only reason I had understanding. He literally enters the souls and teaches it understanding and gives it a burning love.


Now as for Free will.

That's the reason suffering exist. And God can do everything, but the fact is that he refuses to make souls be like robots and worship him without a choice.

suffering is the result of adam and eve. babies have suffering because of original sin.

does this mean God hates babies or people?

No. babies are gonna have suffering regardless, if their parents miss handle them or whatever.

Nobody on Earth will go through life living on a cloud of pure pleasure and comfort.

It just doesn't work that way.


God uses siffering for good, and I know from experience, and from what i know, I am glad I suffered all the years I did because what it taught me inside and how it humbled me out.

and some saints reached the point where suffering was not bad at all, but a great grace to recieve because of what it produces.


so again, this OP, this soul has little understanding, and what satan does with souls like this, is, because satan is smart, but he's a liar.

so the way you can find out if a post is sincere or just to play an advocate. That is what the devil does. He plays the advocate without sincerity, not saying this op is doing it, but he uses his smarts mixed with lies to lead sous further astray.


This Op doesn't even, can't even fathom how much God loves him. yet satan has already tricked him into believeing God doesn't love us at all.

Yet, love can exist in humans like him, but no, the source, doesn't even care about us.


That's like me making a human race, and saying. You know what? I'll put love in many of their hearts, some will have no love, and I'll just deprive myself of all love.

No. Love is a grace. It's infused into souls who have earned it and will accept it, it's not just a fealing, it's a descision.

The author. God put it into us.

Yet only a fathom of it did he put inot us.

and so instead of ridicule and because of our pirde put our little selves above him, we need to humble ourselves out and put ourselves below him and always realize he is the author of the little justice we have in our hearts.


and like I said. I know there is not many spiritual doctors on this webpage, but I see so little understanding in here that it really makes me fearful of these times.


peace.

In my opinion, religious people are lazy. They don't feel like doing the research in order to find out how the universe works, why it's here, when it got here, etc. etc. They don't want to do the work, so they say that an all powerful being made the universe, and that's pretty much it. They don't care why or how, they just "know" he did it, and that's all they need to know. That's why I don't try and get into any arguments about religion with some of my religious friends, because I know they won't change their mind anyhow, anyway. And I'll also piss them off because they can't come up with any evidence of a god, except for a bible (which isn't evidence in the least bit). So all in all, religious people are lazy and/or brainwashed.

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First and foremost, the creation around us is all the proof we need that God exists. Back in old testament days there was no bible. But they had the same evidence that we have today that God exists. Creation is God's doing.

"They know the truth about God because God has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see His invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God." - Romans 1:19,20

If we can't see the obvious things that are proof of God's existence, as mentioned in this scripture, then we won't be able to see anything else. God knows it is difficult for His creation - Man - to believe in someone they can't physically see and that is why He provided us with the evidence that He does exist through His creation of the universe and everything around us. The solar system is called a "system" because it is in perfect balance. It is not a random thing. It is a "system". If you take a handful of pennies and throw them in the air then what will happen. Will they land to form a picture or a word? More than likey, not. But rather, they will probably spread all over the floor and make a big mess. So it is with all of that rock floating in space. What are the chances of some rocks suddenly stopping in their flight paths from a big bang or explosion in space - which is the basis of belief for the non-creation believing scientists - and forming a perfect system capable of supporting life - with the sun as it's power source. And what are the chances of these rocks - on their own - orbiting around each other in perfect harmony so as not to bump into each other. And what are the chances of the sun and the moon appearing exactly opposite each other to give us day and night. And isn't it interesting that both the sun and moon provide us with light. How clever God is to provide us with light even at night by having light from the sun reflect off of the moon. God could have created a green moon or a red moon or any other color. But the moon is the color that it is because it gives off the most light at night. Nothing is by "chance" in God's creation. And what a good God we have to allow us to see the wonders of the universe by reflecting the light of the sun off of the stars so that they can be seen when we look up at night. Or through our telescopes and observatories. Man's problem is that we take creation for granted. We have been listening to man's non-widsom since childhood. For the creation to say that we created the Creator is foolishness.

Should I not believe in eternity because somebody who hasn't experienced eternity says there isn't one? Because they read it in a book somewhere or saw it posted in another thread? The bible is full of scientific evidence that it is God inspired. There is no other way to explain how the writers could have had the knowledge to write what they did about scientific facts - many of which - have only been discovered in the last few hundred years.

www.bibletoday.com...

And many of the "lazy" people who now believe are scientists who have dedicated their whole lives to studying the universe and have changed their minds as to whether God really exists or not as a direct result of the validity of the scientific information and knowledge written on the pages in the bible.

This will be my last post for awhile so I hope that somebody somewhere may have gotten something worthwhile out of it. As I stated earlier, more than likely, those who don't believe still won't believe no matter how much evidence is presented.

I would encourage everybody to read the following - verses 18 - 32.

www.biblegateway.com...

We can deny God until our last dying breath. And many will. But I hope that at least one has had a change of mind.

God exists. Just because suffering exists doesn't mean God doesn't. Suffering happens because it is by your choice. If you need help on this, read "Illusions" by Richard Bach. How can it be a perfect world designed by a perfect creator and blah blah blah but there still is suffering? Maybe God knew ahead of time that if he created a world where we all lived in eternal bliss then it would just be a big fat waste of his time and will. Maybe he wants us to suffer a little so that we learn something and aren't just lazy. If all a parent did to their child was give them candy and let them stay up all the time and not do their homework, what do you think would happen to the child? Besides, the only thing to be gained by being atheist is the fact that you could be right, which wouldn't really be gaining anything at all since you would die and cease to exist, which would suck.