What is the conspircy against The Jews?

Originally posted by The_Modulus

Originally posted by omnifiction
Jehovah's Witnesses also claim to be the chosen people.

Don't even get me started on them...

What's your point by the way?

It was a response to the post I responded to. Did you read it?

[edit on 16-6-2009 by omnifiction]

Originally posted by 8654drp
The romans distrust of the Hebrews begins with their refusal to accept other gods. The Emporer was a god. Therefore hebrews could not be trusted to remain loyal. When the empire converted to christianity, the stigma of condemming Christ to death was added. They became a conveinant scapegoat for everything that went wrong. Particuarly those that could not be explained by the science of the time. Today it is ingrained in us to believe so.

Very insightful post. I would be willing to guess that those facts, although not enough to generate hated for milliunia would be wonderful pretence for what I have come to out of the following posts.

Originally posted by omnifiction

Originally posted by andre18
The first thing people seem to do is rally againt the power the jews have, 'the jews are so powerful and look how they run the banks, that means there's a secret zionist conspiracy controlling the world...."

Do of you know why there are so many jews who are bankers?

This starts around the 7th century and it continuous on until about the 14th century. The jews migrated to Europe - now they were not allowed to own farms, they couldn't grow anything because they coldn't own land - you cant own land you can't obviously be a farmer. So they tried to be merchants but the Chistian merchants crowded them out and of course when you live in a christian theocracy of course the Christians are going to get favoritism.

So what the jews did is they became money lenders, now in a mercantile society money lenders are a necessity but the church didn't allow money lending for its parishiners, which encompassed the entire population except for the jews. So money lending was basically the only job they could do and they got good at it.

But you know of course debtors hate their creditors so any time there was some social upheaval everyone blamed the jews because everyone owed the jews money. When you owe someone money they make a convenient enemy. So what you have there is the beginning of your bs conspiracy theory that the jews are out to get you. And the beginning of the jews being tied to finance related fields. You have a jewish banker because his farther was a banker and his farther was a banker and his farther was a banker and so on and so on until you get down to the money lenders of the 7th through 14th centruies.

So there's a perfectly logical explanation why the jews are so powerful in the financial sector.

Hmm, I think that The Jews endeavour into finance started long before that, it would have been when Jews were the only group to practice usury. You see it was forbid by Muslims and Christians alike.

At this point I would say that it is not just debtors resentful toward lenders but in modern history, who controls money of an economy has a lot to do with a regions politics and the way things go. I think Hitler was mad that Jews with money had more say than him in politics because of there money.

WW2 aside, take a look at Health Care reform happening now, Obama would be hard pressed to pass Single Payer because so much money could be made from the privet interest already invested and willing to lobby to keep things in their favour, thus Single Payer has been taken off the table.

To andre18's post which I replied to, I would say add that people calling Jews heartless has a lot to do with your point: "debtors hate their creditors"
I would reserve the term heartless only to describe modern debt collectors (If you have ever talked to someone from a debt collection agency than perhaps you know what I mean.)

Continued Next Post.

I would go so far to say that it is who controls money that finally had Christians except usury and take banking into Jerusalem via The Knights Templar during the first and second crusades, again using religion as a pretence.

A final point,

I would say that the reason a lot of this has to do with Jerusalem, which makes a wonderful spot to be a merchant because of the surrounding four bodies of water that can be used for shipping as well as its proximity to three continents, it was the city of King Salomon's rule, where he become the richest person of the time because of his copper trade. Trade that not only made banking possible but that gave reason for banking and accounting.

This trade made many people very rich as well as saw many others into debt and slavery. The rich became the Kings, the poor united in common purpose. Many saw the negative effects of debt and feit currency and they forbid usury. Today this is Islamic economics, economics completely void of debt.

As a patter of principle, if there is 100 gold coins, I lend you 100 and tell you that you must pay me 10 in interest, were will you get it? You will compete with others and someone will get the short end of the stick.

The economics of Dubai and The UAE our based on Islamic economics, which is mostly gold. Economics like the countries like Iraq would have been built up on Islamic economics rather than our fiat currencies.

It is a key point of being Muslim to be out of debt.

So you arrive at our situation, more than half the worlds economy is based on fiat currency, a system deriving from original lending in King Salmon's Jerusalem, money which has historically been controlled by those which were first to adopt that which is modern western banking. And the rest disliking that system for the fact that someone will get the shaft, or even that someone will get ahead of their fellow man.
And antisemtisim is born this, people blaming their lack of control being out of control financially on Jews, because historically it has been Jews who have been in control economically.

Like the relationship between me and my debt collectors, the only cards I hold our my credit holders bill of rights and any anger I can direct at those I owe.



[edit on 17-6-2009 by omnifiction]

Originally posted by andre18
The first thing people seem to do is rally againt the power the jews have, 'the jews are so powerful and look how they run the banks, that means there's a secret zionist conspiracy controlling the world...."

Do of you know why there are so many jews who are bankers?

This starts around the 7th century and it continuous on until about the 14th century. The jews migrated to Europe - now they were not allowed to own farms, they couldn't grow anything because they coldn't own land - you cant own land you can't obviously be a farmer. So they tried to be merchants but the Chistian merchants crowded them out and of course when you live in a christian theocracy of course the Christians are going to get favoritism.

So what the jews did is they became money lenders, now in a mercantile society money lenders are a necessity but the church didn't allow money lending for its parishiners, which encompassed the entire population except for the jews. So money lending was basically the only job they could do and they got good at it.

But you know of course debtors hate their creditors so any time there was some social upheaval everyone blamed the jews because everyone owed the jews money. When you owe someone money they make a convenient enemy. So what you have there is the beginning of your bs conspiracy theory that the jews are out to get you. And the beginning of the jews being tied to finance related fields. You have a jewish banker because his farther was a banker and his farther was a banker and his farther was a banker and so on and so on until you get down to the money lenders of the 7th through 14th centruies.

So there's a perfectly logical explanation why the jews are so powerful in the financial sector.

A very good example of this is the massacre at Cliffords Tower in 1190. All of the local lords had borrowed money from the local Jewish population and found themselves unable to pay it back.

So they decided to raise a rabble, claiming the Jews had been devil worshipping, starting fires and what-not, cornered the Jews in the keep of Cliffords Tower. The ones that did not commit suicide were murdered. Every last Jew in York was killed.

This is one example of this phenomena, and it has been repeated again and again throughout history.