What is the conspircy against The Jews?

hear is a conspiracy for you. 8 out of 10 doctors and lawyers from the united states top universities are jews. the us government gives israel 5 billion dollars a year, not sure if this is a conspiracy or just blatant ignorance on the united states part, but i am sure most americans would like this kind of money and chances at obtaining a great life?

Well, I an giv you the Bibles version of it. I'm just going to cut and paste from an old post of mine so here goes.

What to call this? The curse of Malachi? the curse of the minor prophets? Something like that. Anyway here is the story.

About 6 months after the incident on 11-2-2001 I was browsing about on a religious site and ran across this verse the guy was quoting. I read it and moved on then I went "What"? And then went back and read it again. For all of a sudden I realized what the verse was declaring.

Look at the verse and see if you can figure it out.
Hosea 6.
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Can't figure it out? Maybe this verse will help. It's a repeat of Psalms 90-4.
2nd Peter 3.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The days in Hosea 6-2 are thousand year periods of time. It is clearly proclaiming that the Jews and the Israelites were to suffer a 2000 year curse.

Which then meant I needed to read up the complete book of Hosea figure out just what the point and purpose was of his book. And the synopsis of Hosea is this.

Hosea's book is a prophecy on the future of the Israelites and the Jews. He is claiming that due to past and future disobedience to the law of Judaism they were to suffer through a 2000 year top level Leviticus 26 curse.

However after that curse there was to be a thousand year day of Jezreel.
A period of redemption and restoral. Where the Jews and Israelites were to be reunited and the nation of Israel would be ruled again by David. As the prophecy goes.

Now that I had figured that out I simply was doing some light reading and I came across another part of the curse. The real cause of it. But it was in the book of Malachi. The piece that made sense of the curse.
Malachi 4
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

And now it's obvious what happened. Elijah the prophet didn't do the job. And the curse was started. For a plausible story on that there is a reason given by the Christian new testament.
Matthew 11
11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

According to this Jesus Christ fellow his John the Baptist was Elijah the prophet. And his premature death obviously triggered the curse.

The Parables of the fig tree. What do they have to do with the curse? Well, after some thought on the subject after realizing there was a subject in the first place figured this out. The fig tree was a teaching aid/code word to his disciples. Whose meaning had been lost. But I figured it out.
And the synopsis of it is this.

The fig tree is a reference to the nation/tribe of Judah. And looking at the parables of the fig tree it was obvoius that he was predicting a curse was to befall the fig tree. See Matthew 21-19 to 21-21. However he also tells us that the curse isn't permanent. See 13-6 thru 9. They get another chance at it.

So how do I know this curse of Malachi and the curse of the fig tree is the same curse? Well, following the rule of letting the bible explain the bible the details of the fig tree parable do involve a curse. That would require looking at Leviticus 26 and considering that the curse is a Leviticus 26 curse. And then you would have to look for an active Leviticus 26 curse. And you come to the curse of Malachi. And one small but confirming detail? Luke 21.
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

Ther is more than one nation involved. And where do you find them? Genesis 48 and 49. They state that the sons of Israel /Jacob were to be the fathers of nations. And Ephraim the son of Joseph would father a multitude of nations. And that is where you would get the orchard of Luke 21-29.

And now you know the real meaning of the fig tree of Matthew 24.



And the hidden story of the bible? Their king apparently failed a test when he had John the Baptist killed. And he problably went to his grave never knowing what he had done.

[edit on 16-6-2009 by ntech]

reply to post by tatersalad


Okay Tatersalad

Then make like an American jew like me...

1: Go to school all day, then come home from school and instead of playing outside, sit in Hebrew school till 8:00 at night learning Hebrew a near dead language then Aramaic a truely dead language, come home and do homework and read until you pass out from exhaustion

2: After that at 13 when that's over and your skipped a year ahead in school...through puberty and everyone throws dodge balls at your head because you have no athletic ability because you studied your whole life... proceed to the library where you check out 14 books every two weeks for the next four years and read a book a day until graduation

3: Go to college go directly to college do not pass go do not escape 60,000.00 in student loans

4: Use your student loans ... all of them virtually to buy computer equipment to start your own business then work running a telemarketing center every single night of the week to actually pay for school

5: Graduate, work 12-14 hrs a day for several years until you occupy a niche and have it easy...

6: realized the have it easy part is screwed and raise 3 children

7: Turn 38 this summer and go back for a PHD in a subject completely unrelated to your career... because your Jewish upbringing made you neurotic and your never good enough and can always be doing a bit more



This is how I can afford to go out for Mojitos at night ... is this the conspiracy your talking about?



get a clue

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And yeah lol... your taxes that go to Israel or to the us defense dept go to put Jewish kids through school to become doctors and lawyers right?

I could have swore it went to crazy darpa projects not education but what the heck do i know?

Maybe your parents just lacked the ability to set priorities for you when you were young?

Ever think of that?

Oh wait no.... some Jew sold them lotto tickets and took all their money

silly me...


LOL if you think we have a conspiracy going because of a dedication to school... dang wait till you get a load of the Hindu and Chinese kids coming over




Psssst a little secret, yes they are better at math and so are Jews...

reply to post by omnifiction


The 'conspiracy' against the Jews is the same as the 'conspiracy' against the Christians, the Palestinians, the blacks, the whites, the Germans, the British, the French, the Polish, the Russians, the believers, the unbelievers... and every other group in the world. It is because basically mankind hates any other group than its own.

Stupid, ignorant, unworthy of mankind's so-called intelligence, but true.

To the above post i dont agree

The first thing people seem to do is rally againt the power the jews have, 'the jews are so powerful and look how they run the banks, that means there's a secret zionist conspiracy controlling the world...."

Do of you know why there are so many jews who are bankers?

This starts around the 7th century and it continuous on until about the 14th century. The jews migrated to Europe - now they were not allowed to own farms, they couldn't grow anything because they coldn't own land - you cant own land you can't obviously be a farmer. So they tried to be merchants but the Chistian merchants crowded them out and of course when you live in a christian theocracy of course the Christians are going to get favoritism.

So what the jews did is they became money lenders, now in a mercantile society money lenders are a necessity but the church didn't allow money lending for its parishiners, which encompassed the entire population except for the jews. So money lending was basically the only job they could do and they got good at it.

But you know of course debtors hate their creditors so any time there was some social upheaval everyone blamed the jews because everyone owed the jews money. When you owe someone money they make a convenient enemy. So what you have there is the beginning of your bs conspiracy theory that the jews are out to get you. And the beginning of the jews being tied to finance related fields. You have a jewish banker because his farther was a banker and his farther was a banker and his farther was a banker and so on and so on until you get down to the money lenders of the 7th through 14th centruies.

So there's a perfectly logical explanation why the jews are so powerful in the financial sector.

The only conspiracy is that orchestrated by the Judaic faith when it decided to proliferated the highly racist and destructive doctrine that there exist essentially two species of people on Earth, those chosen by God, and those un-chosen, so that they could permanently separate and alienate themselves from the ungodly scourge.

Is it a surprise that these people have been persecuted for thousands of years when they claim that everyone but themselves is born out of Gods favour?

In the end people measure the differences between themselves and others and then hold it against them. This is the history of humanity, a sad fact that few of our ancestors, even ourselves, have been able to escape.

Originally posted by tatersalad
hear is a conspiracy for you. 8 out of 10 doctors and lawyers from the united states top universities are jews. the us government gives israel 5 billion dollars a year, not sure if this is a conspiracy or just blatant ignorance on the united states part, but i am sure most americans would like this kind of money and chances at obtaining a great life?

Sounds a bit resentful, 2 things.
1) Who is to say that 8/10 people don't have some 'Jewish' in them making your first statement the next logical step.
2) Can you say why and on what terms the US Gov gives 5b a year to Isreal?

Originally posted by spellbound
reply to post by omnifiction

 

The 'conspiracy' against the Jews is the same as the 'conspiracy' against the Christians, the Palestinians, the blacks, the whites, the Germans, the British, the French, the Polish, the Russians, the believers, the unbelievers... and every other group in the world. It is because basically mankind hates any other group than its own.

Stupid, ignorant, unworthy of mankind's so-called intelligence, but true.

Did you look at the timeline?

Originally posted by andre18
The first thing people seem to do is rally againt the power the jews have, 'the jews are so powerful and look how they run the banks, that means there's a secret zionist conspiracy controlling the world...."

Do of you know why there are so many jews who are bankers?

This starts around the 7th century and it continuous on until about the 14th century. The jews migrated to Europe - now they were not allowed to own farms, they couldn't grow anything because they coldn't own land - you cant own land you can't obviously be a farmer. So they tried to be merchants but the Chistian merchants crowded them out and of course when you live in a christian theocracy of course the Christians are going to get favoritism.

So what the jews did is they became money lenders, now in a mercantile society money lenders are a necessity but the church didn't allow money lending for its parishiners, which encompassed the entire population except for the jews. So money lending was basically the only job they could do and they got good at it.

But you know of course debtors hate their creditors so any time there was some social upheaval everyone blamed the jews because everyone owed the jews money. When you owe someone money they make a convenient enemy. So what you have there is the beginning of your bs conspiracy theory that the jews are out to get you. And the beginning of the jews being tied to finance related fields. You have a jewish banker because his farther was a banker and his farther was a banker and his farther was a banker and so on and so on until you get down to the money lenders of the 7th through 14th centruies.

So there's a perfectly logical explanation why the jews are so powerful in the financial sector.

Hmm, I think that The Jews endeavour into finance started long before that, when Jews were the only group to practice usury. You see it was forbid by Muslims and Christians alike.

Originally posted by The_Modulus
The only conspiracy is that orchestrated by the Judaic faith when it decided to proliferated the highly racist and destructive doctrine that there exist essentially two species of people on Earth, those chosen by God, and those un-chosen, so that they could permanently separate and alienate themselves from the ungodly scourge.

Is it a surprise that these people have been persecuted for thousands of years when they claim that everyone but themselves is born out of Gods favour?

In the end people measure the differences between themselves and others and then hold it against them. This is the history of humanity, a sad fact that few of our ancestors, even ourselves, have been able to escape.

Jehovah's Witnesses also claim to be the chosen people.

The romans distrust of the Hebrews begins with their refusal to accept other gods. The Emporer was a god. Therefore hebrews could not be trusted to remain loyal. When the empire converted to christianity, the stigma of condemming Christ to death was added. They became a conveinant scapegoat for everything that went wrong. Particuarly those that could not be explained by the science of the time. Today it is ingrained in us to believe so.

Originally posted by omnifiction
Jehovah's Witnesses also claim to be the chosen people.

Don't even get me started on them...

What's your point by the way?

Israel and the Jewish people play a huge role in end time events. Not because they are special or anything it is just that God chose to reveal Himself through this people. I'll find the scriptures to back that up if I need to.

If you could eliminate the Jewish race or, to quote a maniac, "Wipe Israel off the map." You could prove God wrong. His end times prophecies would not be able to be fulfilled.

Antisemitism is spiritual. Believe it.

Originally posted by jackflap
Not because they are special or anything it is just that God chose to reveal Himself through this people. I'll find the scriptures to back that up if I need to.

This is an interesting idea, the question of what it means to be chosen, chosen for what? Is it a reward, is it a responsibility? Either way its a sure means to being disliked by claiming that all others are somehow un-chosen merely by the coincidence of birth.

Antisemitism is spiritual. Believe it.

What do you mean by this?

Originally posted by jackflap

Israel and the Jewish people play a huge role in end time events. Not because they are special or anything it is just that God chose to reveal Himself through this people. I'll find the scriptures to back that up if I need to.

If you could eliminate the Jewish race or, to quote a maniac, "Wipe Israel off the map." You could prove God wrong. His end times prophecies would not be able to be fulfilled.

Antisemitism is spiritual. Believe it.

The 12 tribes of Israel are God's chosen people. End of story.

There might be some people who practice Judaism who carry the bloodline, but that does not mean all of them do, and it isn't logically possible since ANYONE can convert to Judaism.

Also, it is a FACT that today's so-called "Jews" are not the children of God, they DO, however, have a part of prophecy...to occupy the land, a land which isn't there's at all, and God is permitting to do that until his REAL children are restored (thus, the LOST in lost tribe and the CONCEPT of being scattered throughout the world, as the scriptures say. Do the "Jews" look LOST or SCATTERED to you?)

Read these links:

www.authenticjews.com...

www.angelfire.com...

www.hebrewisraelites.org...

Now you know the truth, you don't necessarily have to spread lies around anymore. Peace.

Properly read the links.

[edit on 16-6-2009 by TravisYah]

it seems very hard to seperate myth from reality in regard to this issue. plainly a lot of anti-semitism is based on jealousy because of the general competence of the Jewish race.

you have two camps with diametrically opposed views, and both camps have played dirty wrt propaganda down through the years. imho the ADL is almost as bad as the anti-semites with their bull-headed media/political power plays. a highly disagreeable organisation, and almost as paranoid as it is powerful.

as (another) aside, I'd be very interested to hear sometime whether the ATS patriarchs have ever been leaned on by the ADL. there are sometimes some pretty 'tasty' theories aired here which are pretty close to the anti-semitic line (and sometimes over it~)

Originally posted by The_Modulus

Originally posted by jackflap
Not because they are special or anything it is just that God chose to reveal Himself through this people. I'll find the scriptures to back that up if I need to.

This is an interesting idea, the question of what it means to be chosen, chosen for what? Is it a reward, is it a responsibility? Either way its a sure means to being disliked by claiming that all others are somehow un-chosen merely by the coincidence of birth.

Antisemitism is spiritual. Believe it.

What do you mean by this?

Deuteronomy 7:6-10 6 For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. 7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: 8 but because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. 9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; 10 and repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.


The real key is to read what oath had been sworn unto the fathers. As for antisemitism being spiritual.

If there is no Israel the following certainly cannot take place.

And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south (Zechariah 14:4)

So that is why I believe antisemitism is a wicked spiritual force at work. No Israel, no Jewish people, you would be able to say God cannot fulfill His prophecy.