North Korea pre-emptive strikes on "key sites" in United States

reply to post by Atlantican


The Taepodong-2 missile was unsuccessfully tested on July 4, 2006. U.S. intelligence estimates that the weapon will not be operational for another 11 years. The Taepodong-2 could theoretically hit the western United States and other US interests in the Western hemisphere. The current model of the Taepodong-2 could not carry nuclear warheads to the United States. Former CIA director George Tenet has claimed that, with a light payload, Taepodong-2 could reach western parts of Continental United States, though with low accuracy.[citation needed]

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They are some years out. And DECADES out from being able to claim what this OP article is espousing that they can take out KEY US sites at will. Sorry bud, I don't buy it. At least not yet.

reply to post by muzzleflash

They can't effectively intercept Scuds but they have a foolproof anti-nuke system? Doubtful. Hate to say this but according to many Gulf War vets I have talked to from both wars, two of the biggest assets the Americans have had is that the Iraquis are poor shots and their missiles often are duds. Someone quoted an estimate that at least 1 in three failed to detonate. It's been not so jokingly suggested that the dependence on IEDs in due in part to poor marksmanship.

The missiles NK has been testing may have been duds but somehow I think they've bought some backups along the way, you don't go to a gunfight with half a cartridge.

reply to post by aorAki

Good point, there are all sorts of ways to engage in covert acts but specifically the report were discussing referenced Kim Job Il's nuclear threats.

As weak as the dollar is and as bad as the food situation is across the world at the moment, I think severely hampering food production and exports would be as fatal to our economy as a nuclear strike itself, just think of how many economic dominoes that would set off.

reply to post by stevcolx


Because North Korea has already threatened to use their nuclear weapons AS weapons, long before this newest incident. America used them to end the Second World War, Korea may use them to start the third, I don't think we can compare North Korea to the other nations that have developed these weapons.

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On topic - North Korea is an exclusive country, which is very hard to infiltrate. I think it's shameful that so many Americans pass them off as incapable of striking our home turf, as if we're invincible. Remember when your parents used to say "You kids all think you're invincible." Well here we go guys, we don't know what capabilities North Korea has, we don't even know if they plan to attack us with bio-weapons or nukes, they simply said there are pre-emptive strikes in place.

"Our armed forces will cause the powerful strikes on key installations in the United States, and destroy all imperialist aggressor forces in any point of the globe they may be."

We don't know what they're capable of, we only have an idea, that we got from them, who censor everything in their country. As for our spies... they can only get so high in status.

My prediction if North Korea attacks:
Major virus breakout, possibly based on swine flu, possibly not, all over the US, the UK, and other UN leaders. Large-scale invasion of men into South Korea, with nukes to counter any country that attempts to invade them afterwards.

I only play lots of strategy games though, I'm not a real general.

All I'm saying is to not take such a high and mighty stance, and to accept that we are not in the know, and that North Korea is making some pretty serious threats, threats I can't see any country of their size making unless they felt they could back them up.

Originally posted by stevcolx
Thing is how did all this start? Did NK invade anyone? Did they threaten anyone while the were testing their atomic power? (Not weapons)

Funny you should ask that first question. You might do a bit of research on a minor historical event known as the "Korean War".

As for North Korea's non-weapon nuclear program, I don't recall any nation objecting to their development of nuclear power...in fact, at various times over the last 10-20 years, the US, France, and Russia have all offered technical assistance to the N.K. nuclear power program.

Are NK allowed to have a Nuclear weapon arsenal to defend themselves? Or is it only US and their allies that are allowed?

Two questions here. First, saying that North Korea's development of nuclear weapons is a 'defensive' or 'deterrent' measure might sell better if the North Korean military wasn't vastly larger than its South Korean counterpart, or if the government of South Korea made a regular habit of withdrawing from the cease fire signed on 27 July 1953 (There's that whole "Korean War" thing again!).

As for 'only the US and its allies' being allowed to have nuclear weapons...when did Russia or China become "U.S. Allies"? The overwhelming concern for the US (and, for that matter, for most of the existing members of the 'nuclear club') isn't whether or not up-and-coming nuclear powers are allies of the US, but one of stability. North Korea isn't a very stable nation at this time, therefore, it's not a place where the US (or the South Koreans, or the Japanese, or the Russians, or the Chinese) want to see nuclear capability.

U see I'm a bit mesmerised by the US's involvement in all this. They seem to have a lot of fingers in other people's pies. And not for the good of the people of the world.

See what I'm getting at?

Not really. You *might* have some valid point if the U.S. was the sole nation raising the fuss about North Korea, but we aren't. Every nation in that region of the world (including several that, historically, would refuse on principle to agree with one another on the direction of a sunrise) is pressuring North Korea to get out of the nuclear game. The U.S. is, if anything, staying in the back row at this particular tent revival.

Perhaps you might take a look at North Korea's past (and perhaps listen to a few of the Great Leader's and Dear Leader's speeches since the late 50's, and then point a few fingers at Pyongyang?

Originally posted by secretagent woooman
They may already have weapons positioned in the US that can do that. "Suitcase" nukes or something bigger.

Yes and the US MAY have suitcase nukes or other weapons positioned covertly in Pyongyang, too. May, may, may. IF if if. We MAY have a space-based laser positioned to shave Kim's face in the morning too. Oh, but it's inconceivable the US would do THAT, right? Just because we are the most warmongering country on earth? Nah, couldn't be. It's going to be NK that nukes us off the planet. Yeah yeah yeah.

Come ON. They managed to fly a missile over Japan. And understandably, the Japs got nervous. When I see one from NK fly over my house (and I'm on the East Coast) I suppose I'll get a bit nervous too. In the meantime, Russia, China and the NWO are all holding my life in their sweaty hands at the push of a button. We got way bigger problems than NK or Iran. And you that worry about proliferation to terrorists had better start worrying about who the terrorists REALLY are.

reply to post by TrueAmerican

Have you ever actually discussed this with American or South Korean soldiers who have served along the border area? They will tell you the North Koreans have been shooting unprovoked at them on a regular basis and actively attempting to engage them in armed conflict for at least nine years, this is not a new conflict. I assume all foreign problems
are CIA provoked until proven otherwise....but this is one mess we did not create, the North Koreans have done this all by themselves since they have shut their country off to outsiders for the last few decades. The fact that China is the only country in that area attempting to prevent a US invasion while openly stating that the North Koreans should not have nuclear access is a pretty good sign that there is something very wrong with that country and I think it goes beyond their current dictatorship.
They may be too far gone at this stage to be able to correct the country's problems without outside interference, I doubt there is one leader in that nation capable of leading it who is not up to their neck in military corruption.

Total lies and fear-mongering. NK cannot hit the US with nukes - this is simply rubbish propaganda - wake up.

I think Little Kimmie is a friggin' financial genius. If you have a broke a.s country and you want to make it first world, what is the fastest way to get there for free? Get the good old USA to whoop ya silly.

Then we feel all guilty and start sending over truckloads of cash and experts to rebuild everything to the state of the art.

Little Kimmie loves his country so much he is willing to die for an upgrade. He is like a crazy little Korean Jesus.

I am shaking in my panties that I never wear.

North Korea should know that when it comes to hate and bombing in hate, we are the true haters of bomb-hating people. Tread lightly I now say to them, because we are about to bomb them for good reason: hate.

Originally posted by Amagnon
Total lies and fear-mongering. NK cannot hit the US with nukes - this is simply rubbish propaganda - wake up.

This is what I'm talking about, people who assume that a pre-emptive attack must be nuclear simply because they have nuclear weapons.

I'm going to say this ONE MORE TIME. North Korea is KNOWN to have an ADVANCED bio-weapons project. To think that they would not use it to further their goals is ARROGANT and IGNORANT.

Obviously assuming the opposite is just as much so, but the point is to stop acting like North Korea is some fly who has no capability of impacting our lives. They have the capability, and they are just as intelligent as you and I, even if brainwashed and corrupted. Stop believing the US is invincible, it's not, and it's sad that even 9/11 and pearl harbor haven't proven that. Get off your high horse, PLEASE.

Here, let me google that for you hmm?
lmgtfy.com...

Originally posted by pluckynoonez
I am shaking in my panties that I never wear.

I know this is totally off track and will likely draw the wrath of the mods.

But...

I love you.

US military expenditure exceeds that of all other nations on Earth combined.

I think North Korea poses about as big of a risk to America as we Canadians do if we were to invade your country armed with nothing more than hockey sticks.

I'm not really certain what it is that North Korea is trying to accomplish with their bizarre antics as of late, however I am certain that they are well aware of the consequences that they would face if they were to take on the United States of America militarily.

reply to post by astrij


Hockey Sticks?

Uh oh! That's more than most of us have these days and more than many will have when gun rights are gone. I don't think anyone should discount angry canucks, if they are well read on history.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Only one minor problem- NK CAN'T strike any KEY sites in the US. They don't have the delivery systems. And I would venture they'll be taken out LONG before they ever acquire that capability.

yeah,, but don't forget,,,, if they get it to mexico,,,, they could just walk across the boarder with it,,,,, with no problem



or even send it over in a container,,,, fly over,, and pick it up at the NY docks,,,, since only about 2% of all cargo is actually screened


just me brainstorming

reply to post by Night Watchman

It does matter where the information comes from. Your claims are not backed up by facts. Please look up the definition of the word fact.

I'm sure you believe anyone who calls you to task is trolling but sadly, in the grownup world, you are expected to provide supporting evidence to your so called facts.

I don't care if the information is rolling through the marquee on the blimp - if it's truth - the messenger matters not.
Just as you don’t kill the messenger for bringing news of disaster you don’t laud it for repeating truth.

As to trolling, I was clearly referring to your off topic post pointing fingers and being snide, not that you disagreed with facts I brought to the table.
I don't need to name call and talk down to participants in a thread if and when opinions collide.

Beyond that I've never given my opinion concerning the USA and it's involvement with North Korea on this point. Only related information I found while searching for more information.

Do you know my opinion? No.

And you know what assuming does, right? Maybe not...

peace


[edit on 16-6-2009 by silo13]

For anyone that thinks the US is "egging" NK on and just itching for a fight:

www.nytimes.com...

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will order the Navy to hail and request permission to inspect North Korean ships at sea suspected of carrying arms or nuclear technology, but will not board them by force, senior administration officials said Monday.

How much more lightly would you like us to tread?

reply to post by TrueAmerican



NK did their testing on Memorial day this year. If I remember correctly they had also tested a delivery system via intercontinental rocket which was successful and could carry a warhead as far as California. To assume that NK has no delivery system and that you as an American will be safe is silly. You must always be alert and follow CNN closely to see whats goin on. Lil Kim is insane and this is all very very bad. I'm not sayin anything is impending for sure, but it must be looked at closely

Originally posted by lpowell0627
For anyone that thinks the US is "egging" NK on and just itching for a fight:

www.nytimes.com...

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will order the Navy to hail and request permission to inspect North Korean ships at sea suspected of carrying arms or nuclear technology, but will not board them by force, senior administration officials said Monday.

How much more lightly would you like us to tread?

Isn't that kind of like the cops "asking" to search your car?! Sure you can say no, and then they say they can get a warrant, and you say not without probable cause, and they say you are being combative, and you say it is your right, and they say you are a conservative, an enemy combatant, and a nuisance, they taze you, you wiggle and scream, they arrest you for resisting arrest and damaging the road with your head, then they search your car in the course of the arrest which is now a perfectly legal search!!!

You get the idea. I am all for searching NK ships, but this frosty icing on the agenda sickens me. Just state your purpose and get it over with, stop pussy-footing around with PC BS! We suspect them of buying or selling Nuke tech, and we intend to stop it one way or another. Comply or get tazed on a battleship sized traffic stop!

What to expect in the coming days.

With the recent underground nuclear test on falling on May 25th 2009 and also co-inciding with the U.S memorial day we can probably expect to see more responses from the crazed leader on the following:

June 16th 2009 - South Korean President Lee Myung-bak visits the White House June 16

June 25th 2009 - Noon on the 59th Anniversary of the start of the Korean War, Thursday June 25th, 2009