North Korea pre-emptive strikes on "key sites" in United States

Originally posted by silo13


It does not matter where the information came from, if it's fact.

I’ve supplied facts - you’ve supplied personal attacks and hysterics.

It does matter where the information comes from. Your claims are not backed up by facts. Please look up the definition of the word fact.

I'm sure you believe anyone who calls you to task is trolling but sadly, in the grownup world, you are expected to provide supporting evidence to your so called facts.

Your information on Iraq is clearly not relevant to the situation in North Korea. Am I trolling when pointing that out?

This current situation has been engineered by North Korea. They have acted in violation of the NPT treaty that they signed. It is not just the US that is asking for sanctions against them.

Open your eyes.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by Night Watchman]

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
reply to post by clay2 baraka

 

Oh Lordy.

What, am I talking with kindergarden students here? Can't you read?

There is a clear distinction in the statement I quoted. Let's go over this again:

“Our armed forces will cause the powerful strikes on key installations in the United States,....

This part of the statement clearly mentions IN THE US.

... and destroy all imperialist aggressor forces in any point of the globe they may be”, - stressed the Deputy Defense Minister North_

And this part of the statement distinctly aparts itself from that, to include OTHER sites around the world.

What is so hard to understand? Or are you as delusional as NK themselves thinking anyone is going to buy into to stupid talk that they can put a nuke on Washington, DC? How about let's start denying some ignorance here?

I have edited my post. Thank you for the correction.

The blog links to ITAR-TASS as the source. The article does not show up on any internal ITAR-TASS search, nor is it mirrored in the TASS english-language site.

Does anyone know if there is precedence for this?

I am still looking for other sources for the event. .

reply to post by silo13


Here are quotes from the article YOU provided to support your argument:

Under the terms of the deal, North Korea will freeze its nuclear programme, thought to be aimed at developing nuclear weapons, and dismantle its existing reactors, which produce high quantities of weapons-grade plutonium.

OK....so North Korea already broke this deal. Strike one for them starting this mess. Moving on...

The crisis over North Korea's nuclear programme began when international inspectors discovered in 1992 that the regime was concealing plutonium.

Concealing plutonium...Strike 2. Let me guess...that was from the US too? Wrong. Moving on...

Mr Gallucci admitted in Washington earlier this week that the agreement was not perfect, but argued that it was far better than no deal at all, which would allow North Korea to continue producing material for possibly hundreds of nuclear devices.

Strike 3. You're out. Had we done nothing then, we would be facing a NK with hundreds of nukes.

You have to give people and countries the benefit of doubt!! I know what's going on in NK but they have their ways and we have ours! But let's not resort to Nuclear Warfare!! Remember we are dealing with people. Not Robots. People will suffer. If not blasted out of their skeletons in an instant! They will falter due to their human instincts. There has to be a way to co-exist! We are not that different from each other!!

We Are HUMANS!!!!

Originally posted by stevcolx
You have to give people and countries the benefit of doubt!! I know what's going on in NK but they have their ways and we have ours! But let's not resort to Nuclear Warfare!! Remember we are dealing with people. Not Robots. People will suffer. If not blasted out of their skeletons in an instant! They will falter due to their human instincts. There has to be a way to co-exist! We are not that different from each other!!

We Are HUMANS!!!!

Sorry but that doesn't work in the real world. We aren't dealing with the people of NK we are dealing with their crazy leader who could care less about his people and their safety. The scenario you paint is ideal, all people working together and no need for violence but history has shown that to not be the case. I think you have proven in your post that in reality people are very different from each other. You seek to solve this with love and logic but lil kim wouldn't hesitate to shoot you in the face or starve hundreds of thousands of people each year.

www.news.com.au...

Wasn't this called "sabre rattling" once upon a time. Attention seeking behaviors are just that. North Korea wants to be in the lime light, the center of attention for all the world to see. " Look at me! I have nukes now bow before me or feel my wrath" Puhleeze.

Originally posted by CelticMist
Wasn't this called "sabre rattling" once upon a time. Attention seeking behaviors are just that. North Korea wants to be in the lime light, the center of attention for all the world to see. " Look at me! I have nukes now bow before me or feel my wrath" Puhleeze.

Yes but sabre rattling can eventually come to fruition, especially once someone becomes desperate.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Only one minor problem- NK CAN'T strike any KEY sites in the US. They don't have the delivery systems. And I would venture they'll be taken out LONG before they ever acquire that capability.

Sleeper cells?

They don't have to use just missiles, do they?

Originally posted by stevcolx
Did NK invade anyone?

Yeah in 1950 they crossed the 38th parallel and invaded South Korea.

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Only one minor problem- NK CAN'T strike any KEY sites in the US. They don't have the delivery systems. And I would venture they'll be taken out LONG before they ever acquire that capability.

Sleeper cells?

They don't have to use just missiles, do they?

I wonder if this is why all these secret and known drills are happening of late?

Something is known or there is something else going on.

National Level Exercise 2009 (NLE 09)

National Level Exercise 2009 (NLE 09) is scheduled for July 27 through July 31, 2009. NLE 09 will be the first major exercise conducted by the United States government that will focus exclusively on terrorism prevention and protection, as opposed to incident response and recovery.

www.fema.gov...

nice of them to specifically mention not a response :/

and then the recent secretish testing

New York drill for possible nuke war

US security authorities have conducted a semi-clandestine nuclear fallout drill in the City of New York in order to be prepared “for the worst.” The NYC Police Department (NYPD) in unison with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) carried out a massive almost-covert anti-nuclear exercise codenamed ‘New York, you have a problem’ in order to gauge the metropolitan promptness in responding to such attacks. According to an AP report on Friday, hundreds of NYPD officers and FBI agents participated in the drill that involved the detection of a gamma-ray emitting device concealed in the heart of the urban area. The group was also accompanied by an elite corps of federal weapons specialists who, under a US attorney general mandate, found a simulated “nuclear device” and diffused it.

dprogram.net...

Originally posted by aorAki
Sleeper cells?

They don't have to use just missiles, do they?

Sleeper cells of North Koreans in the US, ready to deliver a nuclear or dirty bomb at a moment's notice? Now really. As crazy an alarmist as I can tend to be sometimes, you are going to have a real tough time convincing me that North Korea wants nuclear waste as their new GDP. Because that's all what's left of them will be able to produce if they dare try anything like that.

And the only sleeper cells that exist imo are CIA-created Al-Queda cells serving their only useful purpose of being called upon as patsies when the CIA runs out of legal things to do and needs a new false flag operation to appease the NWO.

This article is just more empty rhetoric and posturing by NK looking for a new food handout, so Kim doesn't have to give up a whore or two to pay for it. I still don't agree with the way they are being treated though over a rightful need to defend their own country, and thus be able to test weapons. Everyone else did it, and conveniently terminated any new testing after they set themselves up as the rulers of earth. Nuh Uh.

And in addition, it's still questionable whether China or the US has completely abandoned testing. For example, the US tests DU on unfortunate Iraqis every day. And is leaving a nuclear wasteland, and a lot of our own sick troops in its very wake. Double standards galore here. And if any of you want to argue that DU isn't nuclear- bring it. Cause have I got some facts, figures, and videos for you!

reply to post by komp_uk


Sounds like it may take shape into another 9/11. Every time the US government goes through drills like this, I have to wonder if it's really a cover for something far more sinister.

reply to post by TrueAmerican

They may already have weapons positioned in the US that can do that. "Suitcase" nukes or something bigger.

They wouldn't need another Hiroshima to get their "point" across, just randomly spray LA, NYC or Atlanta with radiation and that may be just as psychologically destructive to this country as an actual missile attack, the panic would be just as bad. Or really catch people off guard by targeting places like Fort Knox, port cities on the Mississippi or agricultural distribution points. You could really do as much damage by tampering with the food supply and the gold/silver standard as you could by nuking New York.

I say it's just fear mongering by the news media to justify what ever it is the government is trying to do. The USA is the only country to have used the weapons.

I am not afraid of NK, but I am afraid of the US government.

I don't know how to tell people this in a matter they would understand.

North Korea has PLENTY warheads that already can be delivered using any selection of delivery system they choose. Their current warheads can be used by themselves as tactical nukes of low yield or used as a primer for a 2 stage design hydrogen bomb.

The hydrogen bombs can be delivered using a long range platform for intermediate or shorter range.

a 4 or 5 kiloton primer is enough to take care of a medium city with a 1/2 mile to 5 mile destruction zone, depending on topography. In a fine tuned air burst that effective range is greatly increased. If a pacific coast city or area is nailed then, let's see, how good are they at containing a simple wildfire let alone a .5 to 5 mile epicenter, spreading in all directions in dehydrated vegetation?

They DO have the ability to deliver. How hard do you think it is to fire up a satellite successfully and then use that casing design to retrofit an explosive device to? Hell even Jesse James could retofit it in about an hour. Imagine 50 or more scientists, some of them smart.

They have the means to deliver a payload they possess. If they manage to deliver a hydrogen bomb long range we are looking at potential HALF STATE devastation as these designs warrant 10s of megaton designs 100+ times that of the Hiroshima or Nagasaki weapons.

The thermonuclear reaction is a bit of a different monster but even executed in a sloppy manner allows for hundred of kilotons yield, if executed poorly.
They have the U235, tons of Uraniumhexafloride on the spinners now and they have the Plutonium. Now how hard do you think it is to obtain and process hydrogen?

We have to stop debating the "CAN THEY?". YES they can. YES they HAVE and YES THEY WILL.

NWO is obviously allowing it to reach the boiling point, when all around the world demand action as it will give a final excuse to go in there and harness the extremely efficient manufacturing machine of the North's cost effective people. Lil Kim, if he's really alive (I doubt it) will lob a few bogeys soon, if not alive, the puppeteer certainly will but not at the south. Think California, where people demand more than can be provided, where one of the world's largest economies is collapsing and where the rich have been abandoning. A place where, impossibly, the real estate market is TOAST and never to return.



[edit on 15-6-2009 by Atlantican]

forgive me guys but

any threats coming out of North Korea i consider trivial and of no consequence

he always makes hollow threats, why should i believe him this time?

reply to post by TrueAmerican

Why would sleeper cells be unthinkable? China has deployed operatives in the US for years to harass critics and dissidents. The last time I checked a few years back there were at least three federal lawsuits on behalf of Falun Gong practitioners disclosing robberies, assaults and other actions committed by Chinese nationals working for their government. Other nations in that part of the world actively engage in political kidnappings and executions, it is just a part of their collective functioning.

If there are indeed Al Qaeda cells in this country and by all accounts there are, it is no stretch of the imagination to think they have diversified their operatives. Politics and personal agendas are just as influential as religion, they both have issues with our government. Sorry but I do not think North Korea is an idle threat, I think they are a starving, crumbling Communist state that has pushed itself into a deadly corner and in the Asian world famine always results in war. That's their mindset and I don't think most Westerners comprehend that. They did it to theirselves, the US did not create this problem.

reply to post by Atlantican

Hate to say but your comments on California make sense. Kill two birds with one bomb, I mean stone.

You explanation of how the bombs could be deployed made perfect sense, thanks for including it.

reply to post by Atlantican


i disagree, they have zero capability to deliver

the US military and Allies are so far advanced on defense systems if a nuke gets through they Want it to



slap that baby on a few satellites and you have a global anti-ballistic missile defense system with incredible accuracy (aka Star Wars of the 80's)

and this is just the stuff we Know about, consider the stuff we do not know about

the only real threat we face is our own leaders choosing to not use the defense systems we have at our disposal

this guy has a few good comments as well about it, although i personally believe these systems are fully operational and deployed secretly


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If there are sleeper cells, why would they have to use nukes?
Surely there are plenty of options for them to choose from?

Any thefts from farms recently?

Any fertiliser missing?

Biological attacks?

Poisoning water supplies?

I'm (obviously) just thinking off the top of my head, but I think we shouldn't limit ourselves to nukes.