IF you tolerate this, then YOUR children WILL be next.

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...by fools like you.

Thank you, for proving my point.

Your ad hominem attack clearly shows your biases....

Just glad all are able to see, and judge, for themselves.

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posted on 14-6-2009 @ 12:59 PM single this post "quote"REPLY TO:


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I said, "People who actually DO home school and make an effort to see that their children are well-prepared are to be applauded. Unfortunately, they also
take much flack because of that other demographic listed above. Thusly, for the success of your movement, parents need to avail themselves of all the
latest research, assistance, and planning available in order to promote home schooling as a successful and viable alternative to public/private
schools."


You said, "That's like saying you're not going to let your Daughter leave an abusive husband, until she can prove to you that better men exist.

So we need to show that we care about the preparedness of out children, avail ourselves of the latest research, teaching methods, technology, assistance and planning to you before you determine that only THEN is home schooling better than your Garbage classes?

That's pathetic at best."


OK, so home school your kids, but don't make any curriculum plans. Instead, go out and buy a few fifty-year-old garage sale texts and encyclopedias, don't give them a computer, and don't read up on the requirements your kids will need in order to enter into their chosen post-high educational program. Yup, that makes sense to me. Go ahead then, that's your choice. Meanwhile, my two kids, who were educated at one of the best public schools in the nation, went through gifted and AP classes, scored 1500+ on the Verbal/Math sections of the SAT (they were given a proper education at school AND at home), and are now both engineering students in a selective science and tech university, are to be pitied for their low achievement. Buddy -- one piece of advice from parent to parent: with children, you either pay now or you pay later. I, personally, didn't want any 40 year old brats living in my basement demanding meatloaf. But the choice is yours, of course. And we wonder why the rest of the world thinks US citizens are fat, lazy, and stupid. Geesh!

[edit on 14-6-2009 by mjfromga]

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I'm glad my biasis are "shown".

You know, everyone has a bias. I hope you know that.

But it's only dangerous when the media has it.

So let's just say I have a bias towards public schools. If you want your kids in them to be "brainwashed" then that's your choice. Just leave my kids out of it.

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So homeschooling consists of foolish parents who don't take the time to use proven curriculum, who don't provide computers or updated texts and generally just don't give a crap?

What's the point in arguing to a person like you?

There are good and bad schools, and there are good and bad home teachers.

But the sad trick in the book you just tried to capitalize on was to compare Your BEST against someone's WORST.


You're two kids are in a Great public school? I'm really truly happy for you.

My oldest one was also, she is now 20 years old with excellent scores.

The schools turned to garbage, so I moved to an area with better schools.
Then those schools lost their funding thanks to the Government.

So should I uproot again? Move to an another state with deteriorating job opportunities to throw the dice?

Or should I take my life and my childrens lives under my own wing, and use some of the best teaching methods usually found in Private schools, and teach them in the safety of their own home,

free from kidnapping, "molestation, abuse and increased school gun violence.

BTW, I didn't use statistics to figure that one out.

[edit on 14-6-2009 by manbird12000]

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I would like to see those statistics -- I think it would be an interesting read and would like to see if the states you speak of follow the normal testing patterns. Because of demographics, class size & such, some states historically test better than others in general. I haven't seen the statistics you mentioned, but I am going to make an assumption that these states tend to be in the upper midwest, such as Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, perhaps Nebraska...and then the other normally higher-testing states such as Maine, NH, Vermont? Unfortunately, not all states are created equal.

Originally posted by manbird12000
reply to post by mjfromga

 

So homeschooling consists of foolish parents who don't take the time to use proven curriculum, who don't provide computers or updated texts and generally just don't give a crap?

What's the point in arguing to a person like you?

There are good and bad schools, and there are good and bad home teachers.

But the sad trick in the book you just tried to capitalize on was to compare Your BEST against someone's WORST.


You're two kids are in a Great public school? I'm really truly happy for you.

My oldest one was also, she is now 20 years old with excellent scores.

The schools turned to garbage, so I moved to an area with better schools.
Then those schools lost their funding thanks to the Government.

So should I uproot again? Move to an another state with deteriorating job opportunities to throw the dice?

Or should I take my life and my childrens lives under my own wing, and use some of the best teaching methods usually found in Private schools, and teach them in the safety of their own home,

free from kidnapping, "molestation, abuse and increased school gun violence.

BTW, I didn't use statistics to figure that one out.

[edit on 14-6-2009 by manbird12000]

Can you even read? Nowhere in any of my posts have I said that home school parents are foolish! I have merely said, ad nausium, that it requires a lot of planning and hard work in order to be successful, but that when it is successful, it's a great thing! I really don't know why you are continuing to argue and berate me, and bringing in subjects I never even mentioned.

[edit on 14-6-2009 by mjfromga]

Wow... I hate to say this, but a lot of you are bloody insane and paranoid, and I thought I was paranoid.

The government checking on your homeschooled kid once a year is a GOOD thing, how can the vast majority of you not see that? The over-dramatic whiney posts about "If they EVER toucn my child I'll..." are actually ridiculous to the point of hilarity. Another poster actually evidenced this as reason for why we are controlled by aliens.


WTF???

Now, I AM a conspiracy theorist, but, this is just simply NOT a big deal and is a great preventative measure against bad teaching at the least, and abuse at the worst. If you are a good teacher and not an abuser, you have nothing to worry about and the government man will not hassle you after the yearly (or whatever) visit.

I MYSELF was homeschooled and, though I don't believe it was every year, a gov. guy did in fact come over (I live in Washington), and he talked with my mom and she showed him the books I studied out of and showed some of the papers and other work I had done. It was a short meeting, and he left.

No problems.

Some of you need to really chill out.

Maybe the question should be:

Who is compiling the statistics?

Who are they?
What are they're names?
How much grant money did they get?
What organization do they belong to?
What are their affiliation with the Government offices?

People make too many decisions based on statistics, and they don't even know where the stats are coming from! This is ridiculous!

My God, where does it end?

"SOURCES SAY" and "Statistics prove"
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. My weatherman is always wrong, yet people consistently make their plans based on his forecast.

How do you keep sheep on the path? Do you kick'em in the arse? Or do you use shepherds?

Who is your shepherd?

Does someone on this board see what I'm trying to say? Or am I LEGEND?

Originally posted by Gamechanger
Wow... I hate to say this, but a lot of you are bloody insane and paranoid, and I thought I was paranoid.

The government checking on your homeschooled kid once a year is a GOOD thing, how can the vast majority of you not see that? The over-dramatic whiney posts about "If they EVER toucn my child I'll..." are actually ridiculous to the point of hilarity. Another poster actually evidenced this as reason for why we are controlled by aliens.


WTF???


No problems.

Some of you need to really chill out.

not a big deal eh? No problem eh?

A lot of people think the law is built for criminals and it is a good thing until you find yourself broken down in the Rampart district, ticketed, jailed for "disrespecting an officer" and kicked in the ribs in the holding cell for falling out of line. (happened to me)

Then it's not so funny.

just fall asleep and allow them to do just ONE visit..then TWO....then tighten the restrictions , then require a public official to sit in your house to monitor the teachings..no problem right? After all, it's a GOOD thing. They have your best interest right ?

....then I DARE you to fail one of those tests and willingly let the state do with your children as they deem fit. Throw them into your car wreck of a public system? Or maybe jail you for "abuse"?

Then we'll see if it's funny.

My friend, Overreaction is used to simply close the door on the hand of a would be burglar to avoid being burglarized.

You on the other hand, are allowing that hand to come through the door, because it bares gifts.

And that is what Government wants you to think.

Trojan horses...... simple funny things...that kill you in the end.

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Hey real cool quoting me and cutting out the two explaining paragraphs before I said no problems, my ideas seem well represented and not skewed at all...
You're like the MSM you know that? selectively quoting me?

And you're still overreacting

edit because it was 2 paragraphs, not one


[edit on 14-6-2009 by Gamechanger]

The UK is getting so fascist. Scares the crap out of me.

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The whole basis of the enquiry was completely trumped up.

There was an interview with an NSPCC guy on national radio in the UK (the NSPCC have supported the review) who admitted that there was no evidence to back it up. None whatsoever. The Government have tried to make tenuous links to the Victoria Climbe case, which was not a home ed issue, and to another case where social services managed to miss a child abuse case for a considerable period of time, despite having the child on a watch list and their parents/carer being interviewed.

The review has been a smear from Day 1, and now its gone from smear to basic civil liberties. Its crazy.

Why is it that no one talks about ****happiness****?

Is it our goal to raise a bunch of self sufficient, highly capable PhD engineers that end up on prozac, crazy trying to pay child support after a catastrophic divorce and finding their jobs outsourced to India, who maybe just up and shoot themselves if they don't die of stress related illness first?

Where is happiness in this educational equation?

See, when I first started homeschooling, I beat my head against the wall trying to come up with the right curriculum and blah blah...and one day a very wise woman who was trying to help me asked

"What is the goal of education?"

Wow. Just. Wow.

Originally posted by Gamechanger
Wow... I hate to say this, but a lot of you are bloody insane and paranoid, and I thought I was paranoid.

The government checking on your homeschooled kid once a year is a GOOD thing, how can the vast majority of you not see that? The over-dramatic whiney posts about "If they EVER toucn my child I'll..." are actually ridiculous to the point of hilarity. Another poster actually evidenced this as reason for why we are controlled by aliens.


WTF???

Now, I AM a conspiracy theorist, but, this is just simply NOT a big deal and is a great preventative measure against bad teaching at the least, and abuse at the worst. If you are a good teacher and not an abuser, you have nothing to worry about and the government man will not hassle you after the yearly (or whatever) visit.

I MYSELF was homeschooled and, though I don't believe it was every year, a gov. guy did in fact come over (I live in Washington), and he talked with my mom and she showed him the books I studied out of and showed some of the papers and other work I had done. It was a short meeting, and he left.

No problems.

Some of you need to really chill out.

Is this better? The addition of you saying that as long as you're not labeled an "abuser" it's no problem? You know what? You're right. As long as your not labeled an "abuser'

I remember people supporting the Government's spying, and airport security measures, "as long as you're not a terrorist..no problem.."

Now look at the terrorist list...growing by the hundreds every day...you might be on it, Mr. Good man.

Don't you see how wrong the initial idea is and where it can lead to?

FREEDOM is still there, but it's your qualification to deserve them that is dwindling every year. That's what I'm talking about.

Take the blinders off and look a few years into the future will ya'

The government is worried home-schooled kids may be being abused?

Seems to me child-abuse, like child porn, is a self-righteous excuse used by a bunch of hypocrites to ride rough-shod over our rights.

A seriously abused child has their psyche so affected that they can safely be sent to school and will never tell a teacher what is going on.
And when the abuse has been long-term, the teachers have no way to pick it. They think those kids are just naturally unsociable, tired, tense and afraid or agro. Abused kids can even develop a separate school persona, bouncy and bright, which is unaware of the trouble their other persona goes through at home.

This is speaking from experience. While at school, I did not know what was happening to me at home.

I don't agree with all home schooling, especially when done by religious zealots in order to prevent their children being exposed to ideas they don't like such as evolution, homosexuality, other beliefs, atheism and sex ed.
However taking freedom away from one affects us all in the long run, and restricting freedom will never help to broaden people's minds, much less protect children from abuse.

Originally posted by hadriana
Why is it that no one talks about ****happiness****?

Is it our goal to raise a bunch of self sufficient, highly capable PhD engineers that end up on prozac, crazy trying to pay child support after a catastrophic divorce and finding their jobs outsourced to India, who maybe just up and shoot themselves if they don't die of stress related illness first?

Where is happiness in this educational equation?

See, when I first started homeschooling, I beat my head against the wall trying to come up with the right curriculum and blah blah...and one day a very wise woman who was trying to help me asked

"What is the goal of education?"

Wow. Just. Wow.

Education is the enemy of those in power, unless it can be exploited to increase that power.

And happiness is not a part of the equation any more than it was for the slaves who built the pyramids.

Citizens will revolt when they can no longer find true happiness in between their obligations and the bondage of this government.

Why does a fully fed Donkey chase a carrot at the end of a string? It's made to believe that it must do the work, to achieve something it doesn't need and will never get.

Our carrot has been the "American Dream":

House ownership is supposed to make you happy, even though hardly anyone actually owns a house...it's still called house ownership

Nice cars are supposed to make you happy, even if you have to work 5 years to pay for it.

on and on and on...

That's the only happiness the Government wants you to have... "Fool's Gold"

Well indoctrination doesn't always 'keep' for life anyway. I'm not worried about the religious homeschoolers. I know some and they are all good people, just not my kind of people.

I was raised in a fairly religious family and in school - I kid you not - my science teacher never touched evolution.

I turned out pagan and I have a degree in science. I teach evolution because the science IS the science. People act like what a child is taught in their first 16 or 17 years is the be all end all, as if people are incapable of learning after high school.

The latest religious study here in America was pretty much proof that people change their religions quite often in adulthood.

[edit on 14-6-2009 by hadriana]

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Well, that is assuming that the purpose of education is nothing more than to mold the child into an acceptable citizen/worker.

The beauty of homeschooling is that the parent, the one who knows the child, helps define the purpose of education, and the parent can decide that the education the child receives supports the child in their pursuit of happiness.

I suppose that is why more home educated children have their OWN businesses.

Originally posted by hadriana
reply to post by manbird12000

 

Well, that is assuming that the purpose of education is nothing more than to mold the child into an acceptable citizen/worker.

The beauty of homeschooling is that the parent, the one who knows the child, helps define the purpose of education, and the parent can decide that the education the child receives supports the child in their pursuit of happiness.

I suppose that is why more home educated children have their OWN businesses.

AMEN!!

[edit on 14-6-2009 by manbird12000]

"Schools" are a relatively new way to educate children. They have only been commonplace since the early 1900's. Before that most people were educated at home on the farm. Look at Abraham Lincoln...self educated, talk about isolation ans lack of socialization...he is the poster child for bad homeschooling.

Parents should direct every aspect of their children's education..it is their responsibility. Don't tell me you do not have the money or the time...it is cheaper than cable TV to get the right books, travel to the library and go to museums.