IF you tolerate this, then YOUR children WILL be next.

what this really says is, send your kids off to us where we will teach the meaning of discipline, they may still be abused by peers or teachers, but the care package is a pre-packaged psyche grind to wear away that familial heart and make people who are losers and you dont even know your family-(displacement/replacement mind control). Do these rogue socialists realise they are the anti-thesis to all intellectual reasoning in the first place for the division bell being rung and government protecting division. We are not all the same and will never stay that way. England seriously needs something rational beyond the measure of over zealous british accents touting up the office with "in the name of the queen" or "britain for the british" and really think beyond the tea and fish and chips what reality means for people. Is it being aggrssive towards other nations and lying to your people about aggressors? Englands not alone there. No what I imagine is a conglomerate of security companies had nothing to do. They use time travel or reads. They use holography and well timed shows like 9-11. (no disrespect-technicly it was to them a show).
And then use the populace to make them rich being benevolent protectors who just slipped in, and then once the public doesn't comply with this pseudo socialist capitalist view of "protectionism" they imply power through annoyance and continued veiled theft of liberty and soveriegn originality.

IT in my view greater than any evil as it is selfish, murderous, torcherous, uncaring, manipulative, fear mongering, waisteful, worthless, and defeats the purpose of living. Freedom YO!

Originally posted by Mark2009
As home schooling being a cover for child abuse, in this day and age i'm sure that's the reason for a few cases of home schooling whether you want to be believe it or not!!

How many cases are there of teachers abusing the kids who are supposed to be in their care?

And yet you seem to think its more justifiable to single out the home educators in this matter, when actually the "normal" parents may well be putting their kids in harms way more by sending them into school, instead of keeping them out of it.

None of that, however, detracts from the major civil liberties issue that is relevant here.

How would you like it if a complete stranger came into your home, to talk to your kids, and told you that you couldn't be present while they did it - and you have no say in that whatsoever just because they think its "appropriate" for it to happen that way?

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How would I feel?
How do I / We Feel?

We feel helpless! We feel terrified! We feel threatened! We feel we cannot protect our children from harm and that harm will be forced on them....by the government!

Should a government make good law abiding people feel this way?

Only if they have an agenda up their sleeves!

So it's not ok to ensure that children are not being home schooled to hide cases of abuse? It's also not ok to ensure home schooled children are receiving an acceptable level of education? Just because YOU might do a good job at it does not mean everyone does and just because YOU do not abuse your kids does not mean no one else does. If you're trying to say that no one who home schools their kids does a bad job or abuses their kids then you'd need to be pretty delusional, or just ignorant. If you accept that there might be such cases then obviously your little bubble wrapped world is of more importance than ensuring that any child who might be suffering abuse or piss poor education gets the help they need. This is a whining thread, and is symptomatic of where this country is headed. Did some little turd pull your little girls piggy tails? Awe, bullying ain't it. Well you could always just whine about it instead of growing a pair and getting on with things.

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Quackers - With the greatest respect you missed the point completely.

Parents who send their children to school can abuse their children when they are at home. They tend not to be abusing them when they are at school.

Therefore, how long will it be before the government sends an idiot from the SS to interview YOUR child who goes to school to find out if YOU are abusing your child and wants to interview YOUR child without YOU being present in YOUR home.

This is the thin end of the wedge.

Children who go to school are also abused by their parents!



The issue is that YOU are guilty until they decide otherwise!




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Originally posted by heyo


In this day and age? wtf? You think that things like this haven't been happening for thousands of years? NOW, we have greater access to information, and the means to share it once we've seen it.


Heyo, i was talking about the home schooling issue not child abuse.


I do agree with home schooling if the child is very clever, but not because a child is a getting bullied. I would never home school my future children, but I don't have a problem with other's home schooling even if it is to "protect" their children from the outside world.





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Require home-schooled children to take and pass the same tests as other children. If they pass, they can continue with home-schooling. Otherwise, they must enroll in a public or private institution. Simple solution, really.

if anyone hurts my kids, that will be the LAST MISTAKE they EVER make

my kids are mine, ill teach them that the spaghetti monster rules the universe if i want to

dont like it? i do not care, its NOT your BUSINESS

i will not waste time arguing if home school is good or bad, i will only say, cross this line at your own risk

i am not societies property, i am MY property and I choose for MY family

hell hath no fury like a ticked off parent
nazis beware

the line has to be drawn somewhere and I am drawing it HERE
do NOT touch my kids!

They are justified in one respect for doing this, just as Americans should be critical of home schooling. Few parents are licensed teachers and are not qualified to direct anyone's education. We have a lot of homeschoolers here including one of my nieces and all of them hate it, they would rather be around kids their own age which is crucial for healthy psychological and social development. Homeschooling used to be reserved for children who were chronically ill or too disruptive to have in classrooms and that is what it should be reserved for. If you talk on an individual level with parents who do this somehow it always boils down to them not wanting their kids to play with kids from other ethnic or religious backgrounds which is a really sick thing to teach your children.

I can see the point in pulling kids out of districts that have severe problems with schools but most private schools take scholarship students. Some school districts also subsidize private charter schools or at least oversee the curriculum.

I think this is a testing ground for the Brits to begin break up homeschooling and private religious schools for Islamic students, they are having serious problems with radical indoctrination over there from an early age. No one can argue that the religion is not being forced on the populace, right down to illegally implementing Sharia law. They can't unilaterally shut down those schools without throwing an awful lot of fuel on a lethal fire, but if they go at one step at a time they can probably get away with it. Can't say they are not justified either, there have been problems with schools in Florida and New York teaching anti-western propaganda.

Something else that jumps out about that issue. Forced isolation is a key sign for sexual or physical abuse at any age, as dogmatic as many of the homeschoolers' parents tend to be they really do single themselves out for attention. I wonder if they keep statistics on how many complaints the public has made requesting intervention.

Originally posted by mjfromga
Require home-schooled children to take and pass the same tests as other children. If they pass, they can continue with home-schooling. Otherwise, they must enroll in a public or private institution. Simple solution, really.

ok, only if i can require you to agree with my religion

otherwise you should be FORCED to attend my re-education facility so that I can teach you correctly

"simple solution, really"

oh you do not like it when it is turned against you? how ironic

Originally posted by Elliot
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Quackers - With the greatest respect you missed the point completely.

Parents who send their children to school can abuse their children when they are at home. They tend not to be abusing them when they are at school.

Therefore, how long will it be before the government sends an idiot from the SS to interview YOUR child who goes to school to find out if YOU are abusing your child and wants to interview YOUR child without YOU being present in YOUR home.

This is the thin end of the wedge.

Children who go to school are also abused by their parents!

The issue is that YOU are guilty until they decide otherwise!

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Yes kids who are abused are sent to school, but teachers receive some training to look for signs that a child may be being abused, not completely accurate but if not them then who? How long will it be before social services visits me? Speculation. Probably never, they have no reason to. But even if they did, then great at least they are doing the job they are paid to do, unlike in so many cases of late where kids have died as a result of them not doing their job. This is not the thin edge of any wedge, this it the Alex Jones CPS bandwagon. If you are a good parent with normal healthy well adjusted kids then you have no problems. If you're some trailer trash alcoholic redneck who'd rather toke on a crack pipe than feed your kids, then you shouldn't have kids and there needs to be a body resposible for that task. You can't have it both ways. On this issue I'm afraid the only people complaining may very well be the ones who have something to hide, not generaly a train of thought I subscribe to.

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I am a big proponent of home schooling. My children did some public education but received the vast majority of their education right in there own house.

We maintained a large library, took more field trips than other school children, and the open kitchen during the day meant they learned to cook. The reason I decided to home school was because of the shallow, pointless information they were bringing home each day.

I have yet to meet young people with the understanding of literature my children have. We exposed them to as much classic writing as possible. Research was my big thing and computer literacy was a must, as soon as they could climb a chair they were allowed to bang away at the keyboard.

My children navigate the world with ease and all have gone on to higher education.

Here are a couple of studies www.homeeducator.com...
www.successful-homeschooling.com...

Our governments see the danger to their authority in these up and coming generations of home schooled children.

Good luck over there.

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Originally posted by secretagent woooman
Something else that jumps out about that issue. Forced isolation is a key sign for sexual or physical abuse at any age, as dogmatic as many of the homeschoolers' parents tend to be they really do single themselves out for attention. I wonder if they keep statistics on how many complaints the public has made requesting intervention.

the public should intervene on your life and force our will upon YOU, im sure you do something we do not approve of and we will put a stop to it!

oh wait you mean that the govt should bully and oppress EVERYONE ELSE except you? Oh i am sorry i guess i didnt realize this nazism was a one sided affair

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Why don't you then look into the statistics of child abuse and let us all know what you find.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by mjfromga
Require home-schooled children to take and pass the same tests as other children. If they pass, they can continue with home-schooling. Otherwise, they must enroll in a public or private institution. Simple solution, really.

ok, only if i can require you to agree with my religion

otherwise you should be FORCED to attend my re-education facility so that I can teach you correctly

"simple solution, really"

oh you do not like it when it is turned against you? how ironic

Is that supposed to be an argument? Religion is not taught in schools...math, history, science, reading and language arts are. If your home-schooled kids can pass these relatively easy tests, then you are doing your job. If they can't, you have no business home-schooling. Not teaching your children the basic fundamentals of education is a form of child abuse. What you choose to teach your children regarding religion is your own business, legally has no place in a public school environment, and "forcing" others to learn your religion would be unconstitutional. Only people who are not capable of teaching the basics would be fearful of such a solution. In fact, many home-schooled parents choose to give their children these tests in order to provide feedback. Frankly, if the child is to attend a university, he or she will eventually have to take the SAT or ACT (in the US). What kind of post-secondary training do you think your child will be able to attain if he gets a 16 on his ACT or a 900 (verbal + math sections only) on his SAT? It's a competitive world and it is your responsibility to prepare your child to successfully take his place in this world. Remember, this might be your child, but the child doesn't belong to you -- you are his guardian. Purposely neglecting his education and setting him up for a lifetime of underemployment is the height of irresponsibility.

Good side of homeschooling: better quality education and overall safer environment (schools got drugs, bullies, bad teachers, bad environment)

Bad side of homeschooling: isolation (don't matter how you want to refute this, it'll still be true)

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I think this is designed to deflect people from what 'they' are really doing. They are using anything they can in order to begin to take full control over all people within society. To do this they need to keep people concentrated under fear in order to deflect from the far more sinister plan. To do this they need to find an excuse, any excuse to take over your children then they can begin to effectively create a controlled society starting with the brainwashed children, like Nazism did. They need to cover all their bases of control and your children are an important factor in this world take over.

The agenda has to come in parts otherwise people would revolt. So they need to do this in a way that takes pieces of control one by one. Once they have established control over the first part, they can move onto the next phase, until eventually martial law will take effect. At which point no one will have a means to fight them because they will have taken control over every part of your life.

They will do this through various means, but one thing is for sure they will do it in a way that doesn't reveal their true take over. Instead they will use arguments that make the unsuspecting public believe that the changes they are making are helpful to the public, or a benefit in some way. Or in this case they have used the issue of abuse because that is strategically the most vulnerable. They will tell you these things are for your protection when in fact it is designed to make you relinquish more and more of your freedoms, until you are fully enslaved and powerless.

The agenda is a series of strategic changes that target people's weakness and will also be in the guise of 'helping' or making a change for 'the better'.

The truth of what they are doing is malignant and it will remove every ounce of freedom from the civilian. They have covered every area including drugs, medicine, banking, income, food, taxes, education, loans, pensions, importing, industry, exporting, water, fuels, housing, basic rights and the inability to protect oneself. In short, they will take over completely and we will soon be living in absolute fear. Those that will revolt will be at first quietly removed. When this becomes a bigger issue they will no longer do this quietly. In order to do this they must keep everyone struggling in the rat cycle of perpetual work and exhaustion.

They will spread disinformation throughout every level of society. Discerning truth will prove to be a challenge, confusion and unawareness will dominate.

They will creep into your lives slowly so that you really won't notice much at first until the pinch becomes unbearable at which point you will notice your neck is in a noose.

They must dumbdown the population. Make you so tired and mentally distracted with the little technological perks they give us that you will be easily controlled. They want to keep you exhausted and suffering illness. They want to medicate you and keep you distracted from seeing or thinking for yourself.

They have designed weapons that effect a huge radius without destroying the outward appearance of civilization. They have perfected the use of electro-magnetic frequencies to paralyze the population either mentally or physically. They have the ability to target anything they desire.

For those that comply they will be rewarded and allowed to live in the system, but you will have no freedom and you will live in fear.

What we are seeing is the implementation of this agenda. It is only a matter of time now.



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reply to 5 post by neformore
I don't know if any home schooling parents who are in the UK would be

interested in what happened when the local Home Schooling Inspector turned up to visit us a few weeks ago but we found she was very positive in her attitude.
She did pointedly ask me if I just couldn't be bothered to take my daughter to school. I showed her all my daughter's 100% attendance certificates and then she asked me why we took her out of school... I explained and she was very sympathetic. She said it was a growing problem and bullying in British schools was out of control, no matter what teachers claimed. She also said that parents were having to take their children out of schools in droves.....in droves being her exact words, because violence of all sorts was so bad now.

This made me wonder whether the government are aware and afraid of the fact that parents are no longer tolerating the abuse of their children by the school system in permitting bullying.

The Education Inspector said that she wished she had taken her second son out of school as he was bullied and she felt that it still affected him now and his confidence was shattered even though he was now in university.

She said we had to find more 'outside' activities for our daughter, and we have and all in all she was very positive. She spoke to my daughter with me present and asked how she felt about home schooling and my daughter said she enjoyed it and was happy.

The Education Inspector also suggested that we could, if we wanted too keep out daughter out of school permanently and expressed the hope that the government would supply GCSE service for home schooling children in the UK so that they did not have to travel distances to private examination centres.

It was a very positive experience.

Therefore, the governments bizarre view on homeschoolers as potential abusers was shocking.

But one more thing that I forgot she said and I will quote her words:

'One of the best kept secrets in the country is that home schooled children are way ahead academically to children who go to school!'

If these children were being abused, I don't think they would be doing so well, do you? So is that what the government does not like?

Makes you think, doesn't it!