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reply to post by Manouche


I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the people themselves don't like the oligarchy that is ruling them. The few pictures that they are showing on TV and the numerous ones you can find on the net is probably a big culture shock to a lot of people.

Either way I hope they succeed.

Originally posted by Manouche
Amazing how in a few hours Iranians are turning from full hatred Arab devoted Muslims into well educated Westerners in the general comments.

Food for thought really.

And this is exactly what I have done. A complete 180 on how I view the majority of the people of that country. I was HATEFUL of them!

If this revolt does get crushed and they kill every single one of the people who oppose Sharia Law and Open Elections then I can safely continue the other 180 to a full 360 and go back to hating them

I mean how can you want anything but success for people risking it all to change their country? How can you NOT do a 180?

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I think you are very wrong with your forecast how what could happen if the regime is brought down.
The US, Russia and possibly China will fight for influence over the new Iran. Iran will become the focus of world powers, it's a wealthy country worth a big nasty power grab. NK is very peripherical...

reply to post by Manouche


That is the only thing that worries me, is if this does succeed, I hope they don't get some other crazed dictatorship.

Times like these always breeds extremism.

reply to post by TurkeyBurgers


So you do understand all the hatred you were fed with ?
You have come to realise Iranians are people like you and me, with a brain and an understanding of things, with a range of simple desires like us, with a thirst for freedom like us. They are no more dumb or hateful than anyone else.
Now copy that for North Koreans, Syrians, Israelians, Palestinians, etc...

NWO will betray them. NWO doesn't like freedom. They will send them about 10-20 million cameras to make sure there are no terrorists in the streets. Just like back home... where the cotton grows...

I agree, they will probably try.
But the Iranian people have shown time and time again, they do not want a foreign power in charge.

They want the KING back.

theyve had western style leadership, now they have had islamic leadership.

I believe they will do the right thing this time.

They arent as weak and cowardish as the west.

Originally posted by Ace High
This is getting huge!

Tehran right now this vid is from tonight - Revolt is growing - more and more poeple join, this regime is near the collapse.

This new video from Iran shows many, many people, in fact a growing number of people in the streets at night.

Videos are interesting but there's no way of telling how representative they are of anything.

If we see 7,000 people in the streets that's 1 in ever 10,000 Iranian. What are the other 9,999 up to and thinking?

The government can counter with videos of whole towns celebrating Mr A's re-election, smiling children is schools, filled mosques, etc. Most Iranians only receive state run television. Maybe half the country is unaware this is happening.


Mike

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


I am not sure how much it's of importance. They never had full free access to the internet. But they are close to the West and the educated people knows about life in the West. It's not Afghanistan, the country has infrastructures and is developped, it is not isolated like NK, it's easier to travel to Iran than the USA actually. It's not that big a shock. And you don't need internet to know you don't have freedom of opinion. Or that you don't want religion mixing with civilian affairs.

Originally posted by Manouche
reply to post by TurkeyBurgers

 

So you do understand all the hatred you were fed with ?
You have come to realise Iranians are people like you and me, with a brain and an understanding of things, with a range of simple desires like us, with a thirst for freedom like us. They are no more dumb or hateful than anyone else.
Now copy that for North Koreans, Syrians, Israelians, Palestinians, etc...

Yeah man I am guilty. And I feel like crap for it.

You just called me on it and you are right.

I AM ashamed of myself for falling so easily into the propaganda of hate. It is EASY to get caught up and swept up in the hatred. Borders make people think like that. To think Israel or Iran and not of the people.

A country is MORE than a name it is made up of such a vast and varied group of people. And as we have seen this weekend the majority is not always represented by the ruling minority.

But I still hate some of them

A better response to twitter feeds are here
twitterfall.com...

iran.twazzup.com...


both are like rss feeds, hbut a rolling feed of the newest twitters coming out based on keywords

twitter.com... this seems to be the best most update

reply to post by Manouche


I was talking about people over here in America. When people see people that looks like them it really changes peoples opinion. Also with the people revolting it gives people a different perspective.

I have a feeling if these "revolts" succeed in overthrowing the government its going to be a world changing event.

This, to the best of my knowledge, will be the first "revolution" or what ever you want to call it of the internet.

Well... since the US had zero chance of invading Iran or taking over by any military op, it makes perfect sense to incite a revolt and see it blow up from the inside.

Thats why the world loves the US... or not.

Originally posted by mmiichael

The government can counter with videos of whole towns celebrating Mr A's re-election, smiling children is schools, filled mosques, etc. Most Iranians only receive state run television. Maybe half the country is unaware this is happening.


Mike

True, but those Iranians aren't getting beat for being on the streets.

I understand the limitations of video, but with a media and internet blackout going on, the fact that people are working hard to get these videos out should mean something.

Originally posted by Apollumi

Name a nation where youth running amok has changed anything. They will change NOTHING here.

First I have some hope that Iran may be going through some changes in attitude, but I'm not going to hold my breath. These things can go one of three ways...

1) Similar to the breakdown of the Soviet Union, which basically started when a group of ship workers went on strike in Poland and then picked up steam until countries were involved throughout Europe and beyond.

2) Crushed as in China.

3) Everyone just gets tired and hungry,goes home for a bite and a nap, and then get up and carry on as if nothing happened.

Now, in response to the quote...If I'm not mistaken there was a time when some youth running amok had quite a bit of influence. The place was the good ol' USA in the 1960's. Vietnam and the end of the draft (of which I am personally thankful, rotting in a jungle just didn't sound like a good choice of things to do after I graduated), the right to vote at 18, the whole start of the "eco-movement", womens rights, black power, the "pill" (another of my favorites), and some pretty decent music.

Peace, love and tie-dye, man.

I have not read ALL the comments to this thread so in advance, if this is repeated elsewhere, I humbly offer my firstborn child to the ATS alter... but since he's already 26, you'll have to run him down and explain the details...

Link to images and videos from the Iran protests... I would also hope that yall take the time to comment and wish these people well too...

TehranLive.org Pictures (dated 14 June - two pages)

TehranLive.org Videos (dated 15 June)

Maybe someday, there won't be the distrust and the divide between peoples and we can all, willingly, live as one.

Also... my first effort with external links and such. If I have misformatted this post... equally humbling myself.

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[edit on 14-6-2009 by redoubt] (Corrected video link)

[edit on 14-6-2009 by redoubt]

Hmmmm, a great many consider pleasant words a truth and harsh ones a lie. Bathe me in pleasantness and put me to sleep says a man. Just because people have unlimited access to the internet and techno toys does not a righteous society make. Especially if they are likely to loose such fine toys soon. And,, ignorant people make casual judgments.

Wise words from a hateful foe below perhaps. How do you convince people of the harshness of the world, or even themselves, with which they have no ability to see because they lack eyes to see. How can you warn them of the ignorance which they embrace.


“You have destroyed us. You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution.”
“I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persians and Americans.”


Is slavery only brought about by shackles on your arms? The best slave after all is a slave that doesn't think he is. The Iranians shook off the West before and it was wise to do. The entitled youth would have these people become slaves again so they can be lost in the stupor of material wants (if they are lucky). These youth will be punished now and deservedly so. There will be no great riot of conquering college students. Only the quiet whimper of lost life and their parents mourning because their self entitled children gave up their life for flawed ideals, causing the parents to loose their investment and inheritance which a good child should have provided.

I am not comfortable with the revolution 'live' on screens like we are at the movies. They want us to see it all, but who and why ? If I were in the middle of a rebellion, I am not sure I would be hanging around the internet uploading videos...
Something is wrong. The regime can easily prevent the videos to flow out of Iran.
They have arrested Mousavi and people that took over the US Embassy during the Iranian Revolution. No way these are 'opponents'. It does not add up.
Maybe they let the riots happen to accuse the USA of inciting them, that's why we don't see a strong response from the police in the videos for now. They will arrest the leaders and claim they were backed and funded by the CIA. Then they will push a harder line against the US.
It would be dangerous plan.
Maybe that's why Obama remains silent. If he shows the tiniest support to the rioters, he will be pointed at by the mollahs.
New elections will be held though, they cannot go back now.

wOw, watching twitter its truely horrific.

- Tehran Uni has been locked off
- Tehran hospitals are being surrounded by secret police, and protestors entering with injuries are being turned away by the police
- People are being beaten to death in the streets and uni
- People have been shot
- Youtube is taking down videos/movies posted about the riots
- Riots are spreading to Shiraz and Ishfahan.


Today, the revolution will succeed or be killed!

Originally posted by zlots331

Originally posted by Apollumi

Name a nation where youth running amok has changed anything. They will change NOTHING here.

First I have some hope that Iran may be going through some changes in attitude, but I'm not going to hold my breath. These things can go one of three ways...

1) Similar to the breakdown of the Soviet Union, which basically started when a group of ship workers went on strike in Poland and then picked up steam until countries were involved throughout Europe and beyond.

2) Crushed as in China.

3) Everyone just gets tired and hungry,goes home for a bite and a nap, and then get up and carry on as if nothing happened.

Now, in response to the quote...If I'm not mistaken there was a time when some youth running amok had quite a bit of influence. The place was the good ol' USA in the 1960's. Vietnam and the end of the draft (of which I am personally thankful, rotting in a jungle just didn't sound like a good choice of things to do after I graduated), the right to vote at 18, the whole start of the "eco-movement", womens rights, black power, the "pill" (another of my favorites), and some pretty decent music.

Peace, love and tie-dye, man.

1) Those were workers. They generated money. Money is actually a representation of units of labor and labor is exchangeable. These things do have impact indeed. When blacks stop going to businesses it has impact. When (east) Indians stop working it has impact. You have to have workers to make changes, not kids who are not generating much more than ideals.

Heh heh.. In the future, when you are paying off bank bailouts, car manufacturer bailouts, etc to a group of foreign bankers be sure to look down at your wrists and imagine shackles.

2) This underfunded (as in passion) revolt will be crushed also.

3) Perhaps.


Women's rights? Lol, only to be taxed and generate cash flow. Women and men are not the same. Neither any less than the other but there are natural balances and unnatural ones. The pill? These things did not make for a better society. Better suiting to dissolving family and destroying morality. The Vietnam was was all about that money thing.

As I said before, you want revolution. Nobody go to work...