My two spirits

Originally posted by iamnot
have you never heard that God helps those who help themselves?

saying God never intervened so it must be good is a cop out. just like any other addiction maybe you just haven't hit your bottom yet. will it take for your marriage to fail and your family to fall apart for you to stop denying?

you say you're completely content in your relationship with the spirits but you also say you've given in to them. happy wife happy life, if you want to see their true nature, reject them. really try to get away from them like you'd try to get away from a jealous woman in the material plane. see what happens.

what's the difference between someone having an internet relationship with someone they've never met in person except for seeing a couple of photos online and soemone having a relationship with a spirit? none.

little girls discover the ones they've been chatting with are overweight, balding slobs. one day you will see the true form of your spiritual partner too and it won't be pretty either.

i've read this entire thread and i can relate. maybe you should read from page one again and see that you've answered all your own questions. no one can help you get rid of them because you don't really want them gone. you are addicted to Lust and Passion and the first step is admitting it.

if you really want them gone you have to show your desire for righteousness is more than your desire for them. you mentioned you are christian and that you read the bible and pray a couple times a week. it is not enough. your reading and praying, basically your communication with God has to be more than your communication with them if you want to see any change. 'if you want' is the operative line.

i guarantee if you give it an honest shot to the point the spirits actually feel threatened of losing you, it will get worse before it gets better but then you'll see their true nature and hopefully your reaction will be a stronger desire to be free rather than to appease the spirits.

didn't you recognize jesus knocking at the door that day? it's not too late to wake up. i really hope you do.

Best post I've read all day.

reply to post by Zerra


"No, I'm not a parapsychologist. I have a normal degree in psychology. Just stating so, to show how I understand mental illness as a seperate issue than that of paranormal experiences. I don't equate them as one in the same. I was speaking, above, of attachments/possesion. Not of paranormal activity. Posession is energy attachment while activity is merely the shivers, noises, etc you described and can be either negative OR positive, or even neutral energy"

Well, your almost one, maybe you should join them.

>Still waiting for the other guys to respond

reply to post by toolstarr


Drug induced dreams, tool? I used to experiment with lucid dreaming without any drugs whatsoever. But found it too Unreliable and switched to virtual reality instead.

Originally posted by phatkhat
reply to post by Zerra

 

"No, I'm not a parapsychologist. I have a normal degree in psychology. Just stating so, to show how I understand mental illness as a seperate issue than that of paranormal experiences. I don't equate them as one in the same. I was speaking, above, of attachments/possesion. Not of paranormal activity. Posession is energy attachment while activity is merely the shivers, noises, etc you described and can be either negative OR positive, or even neutral energy"

Well, your almost one, maybe you should join them.

>Still waiting for the other guys to respond

no, not really even close lol. I have a degree I'm not a PHD- to be a psychologist- I'm no doctor.

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Wow...all silent now. I guess the priest took off running as soon as 'confused'

got dragged to hell?

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reply to post by FormerlyConfused


I too had a similar experience when studying the High Magicks of ancient Egypt, and the Quabbala. These are, to me anyway, the Spirits of women you knew before, in past lives, and they still are attached to your Spirit. One night when I was really feeing lonely, one came to me and manifested into a combination of several women I had known in the past. She was there with me for all night, we made love several times. I don't know what happened after that, I never felt anything like that again. However, I am married now to a wonderful woman. Once in awhile, she will actually turn into a very young women of about 16, right before my eyes. This will last until we are finished with our love making, and is really neat, to me anyway. I have asked her about it, and she says she does not know of it. One other thing, I am pretty sure my wife was a Farie, and she incarnated into a human body. There are many things that make me think that. She is very psychic, and has the precognition gift. She tells me we actually met long ago on a spacecraft. All I can say to this is, Oh well!

Liked your story, I guess the real question is, do you want these Spirits hanging around you? There are ways to send them away without hurting them, you know.

I hate when members take off like this and leave us hanging but I couldn't just read this thread and say nothing.

Formerly's experiences are a perfect example of what the bible means when it says in the last days, every man will be walking after their own lusts.

Formerly is able to actually see the 'horny devils' because his third eye is open. Most people just think, hmmm, I think I'll watch some porn now. They don't see the spirits afftecting their thoughts and they're not privileged to mind f**ks without additional uses of their other senses such as sight and touch, at least not for now. Soon very soon everyone will be.

Ghandi said everyone will be able to go into a trance whenever they want. Some people think this is a great thing but imagine the more perverted kind out there, what is your lust and where does it stop?

Will mens wives turn into younger children before their eyes? Other men? Boys? Animals? No wonder these things are for secret societies only.

This is what the ECs mean by how they will provide sexual partners for the millions of you who seek them.

Revelation 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

I apologize for my necessary absence.

eduardmc or anyone experiencing this can email me [email protected] I am also part of another community created specifically for research about these beings in a respectible, rational forum of others who are both curious and who experience this.

I am Christian. I believe in John 3:16 however I don't believe the Bible is infallible. That's a statement not a challenge. If you want to debate somewhere else thats fine.

As stated, I was a devoted thumper in the early-mid 1980's for several years. I soaked up and believed everything which was fed. Filled with the Holy Ghost, I walked a 150% devoted life praying almost constantly, Bible study 2-3x / week, insulated myself from undesirable influence, Services 3-4x /wk, visited orphanages & prisons with the group and talked to strangers on the street about Christ's saving grace from the depths of my heart.

I understand where the thumpers are coming from, however I reject the idea of not being Christian enough, not devoted enough and not doing enough. I accept Christ as the Son of God, however since then I reject the religion of man and keep to myself.

I attend Mass for my family's sake and nothing more.
That's all I have for now, I'll try and keep this more updated.

Originally posted by FormerlyConfused
I apologize for my necessary absence.

eduardmc or anyone experiencing this can email me [email protected] I am also part of another community created specifically for research about these beings in a respectible, rational forum of others who are both curious and who experience this.

I am Christian. I believe in John 3:16 however I don't believe the Bible is infallible. That's a statement not a challenge. If you want to debate somewhere else thats fine.

As stated, I was a devoted thumper in the early-mid 1980's for several years. I soaked up and believed everything which was fed. Filled with the Holy Ghost, I walked a 150% devoted life praying almost constantly, Bible study 2-3x / week, insulated myself from undesirable influence, Services 3-4x /wk, visited orphanages & prisons with the group and talked to strangers on the street about Christ's saving grace from the depths of my heart.

I understand where the thumpers are coming from, however I reject the idea of not being Christian enough, not devoted enough and not doing enough. I accept Christ as the Son of God, however since then I reject the religion of man and keep to myself.

I attend Mass for my family's sake and nothing more.
That's all I have for now, I'll try and keep this more updated.

Are they really thumpers though, or just salesmen? I knew some who claim they cast out violent demons on a regular basis but offered no proof of it. With the emergence of camcorders and digital cameras you think they would have plenty of concrete evidence. But any video shown is just some person acting silly and no superhuman or supernatural feats ever recorded. In fact, the demons in the new testament itself were no worse than just bad influences. The only exception is of course is 'legion' and he acted more like a madman. He never crawled on ceilings and vomited frogs and such. So I think any REAL demons would just tempt people and not completely control them like hollywood portrays.


As for your case, you say it happens to you when you are very tired. So I'm assuming since you're half asleep you entered a dream state at that point. I'm not trying to say its all in your head, but something maybe inducing that.
It's just like when some tries to capture a fantastic spirit show or demonic possession activity on film but only a few 'orbs' show up in playback. It seems someone or something is actually able to manipulate one's visual cortex.

As for me, I experienced some things of what you have experienced, but a real person, a woman was behind at least some of it..a Jennifer something [Forgot the last name, so have to do some digging] so this may be the case for many others.









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reply to post by FormerlyConfused


Yoda here, my experiences are not as intense, I don't hear moving around or doors opening, etc.

I will be on the verge of sleep when all of a sudden I feel something like hands either going up my legs or from my stomach downward until I feel it start to massage me. I go to bed at various times and it doesn't happen like every night. It is surprising when it does happen because there is no pattern.

It's all knd of crazy

Originally posted by phatkhat
He never crawled on ceilings and vomited frogs and such. So I think any REAL demons would just tempt people and not completely control them like hollywood portrays.

I agree. I don't believe in twisting necks, bloody burns of "Help" in the skin or other things. However spiritual influence is vastly more wide spread than people think by influences of good, bad and those who would just mess with us.
However I do believe in the posession and use of the mind which is the control center of the body. "Devil made me do it" is no excuse for anything but there can be some level of control.

As for your case, you say it happens to you when you are very tired. So I'm assuming since you're half asleep you entered a dream state at that point.

Sometimes I don't articulate something properly and your understanding is incorrect. At present, our favorite times to interact is in the morning (She wakes me up 1-2hrs early). I am wide awake, maybe get up and do a couple things and lay down to be with her. Our session usually starts within seconds. If I move around too much it stops interaction. But I'm able to move around a bit, look around etc and definetly not in a state of sleep while still engaged with her.

Another favorite time is evening bed time. It begins almost immediately after I lay down and we go until I fall asleep.

Another favorite time is in the parked car while I'm alone. Clothes are no barrier to her. We've engaged while sitting among other people watching TV, the movies and even shopping. A couple times I've been standing in the backyard pool doing maintenance and she engages.

Although night is our preferred time, day offers no obsticle. Our morning time is usually most intense because I'm rested and my mind is most sharp.

She still holds a vendetta against my wife for their fight last year. Nothing really dramatic has happened, except she lets my wife know she's still around.
For example, I usually go to bed hours before my wife. One evening last week I almost wokeup when my wife crawled into bed. What did wake me up is the frantic sound of a fist pounding the wall above our head, 5-6 fast hard pounds.
I registered it as "One of those things" she does and fell back asleep but my wife investigated the noise but found nothing.

I'm actually a pretty open person. I have seen a ghost in my life and know others who have seen them, too.

But I'm really struggling with this one, folks.

I'm sorry...but I think the OP has some issues here.

How about seeing a good therapist?

Hi Yoda.
What you describe is familiar to many people who experience this. I have some information you may be interested in. [email protected]

I've experienced something as well but nothing as intense as what the op has described. If I do have something around me that can affect other people on occasion, that might explain some strange behavior on a few occasions where others seemed to get sexually possessed when I was alone with them and then they suddenly seem to act like they didn't know why they did such a thing a few minutes later.

Usually I only notice something in my house as far as strange sensations go and the feeling of occasionally getting touched or seeing spots of something moving towards me. I don't usually see or feel any such thing when visiting other people's homes. I didn't even experience anything in my new home for the first week. It's not new anymore. It seemed like something or someone decided to move with me after a week. I somehow imagined an entity telling me that it took a lot of energy to make a move. I might have thought all this at one time was in my head or something bad could be following me around but I haven't experienced anything bad. I have wondered if other living females could be interacting with me in a way I didn't think was possible.