Can Obama be Stopped in 2012?

reply to post by jsobecky


Dear unemployment rates has been sugar coated just like everything else with the "economy" if you are in the Markets and have money to spend usually the "wealthy" then the markets are doing great for you

But if you are in the 6 million (real Numbers could in the 13 millions) that lie unemployment and destitute the Markets are nothing but the dream of the Rich.

The unemployment by cities paint a better picture of how rates really are.

The Labor Department reported that the rate in Indiana's Elkhart-Goshen led the way, jumping 12.7 points, to 17.8 percent. The region has been pounded by cuts in the recreational-vehicle industry.

The second-highest jump occurred in Bend, Ore. Its rate rose to 15.6 percent, up 9 points. North Carolina's Hickory-Lenoir-Morganton saw its rate rise to 14.9 percent, up 8.8 points.

The figures aren't seasonally adjusted, making month-to-month comparisons far more volatile.

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www.chicagotribune.com...

California is the highest state that is posting the highest unemployment by city, with a whooping 26.9 percent en El Centro CA..

Followed by Yuma, Ariz., at 20.3 percent; Merced, Calif., at 18.3 percent; and Yuba City, Calif., at 18.2 percent..

I believe that we may see and exodus coming from the West coast to the east coast very soon.

13 Cities Report Unemployment above 15%

www.economyincrisis.org...

This is just the beginning.

So much for the glimmer of hope.

reply to post by georgepatrick


Sorry to burst you bubble of hope but I voted for Obama looking for hope it didn't took that long to see that he is just following his masters agenda and he is just like bush with different skin color.

Wake up and see that in American our own for the people government doesn't work for the people anymore.

With unemployment hitting a 25 year high with no end in sight, the Obama masses will eventually come to their senses when they hit the bottom of the barrel. Temporary Summer jobs for teenagers will not bail this country out.

Obama is a one man wrecking machine. One industry and one law at a time. Nationalized healthcare will destroy the private insurance industry and will inevitably put multitudes out of work and people into graves because of bureaucratic red tape.

Time to wise up folks. The only campaign promise Obama intended to keep was jetting Michelle around on date nights at our expense. He just snubbed Sarkozy and his wife so he and Mike could go out on the town.

Barry, you are POTUS not a %^$# tourist.

Originally posted by octotom
reply to post by jsobecky

Barack Obama is riding high in the polls

Not exactly true. Obama got 53% of the vote on Election Day. According to Rassmussen, who predicted that's what he'd get, has only 53% of Americans supporting Obama right now. That's really not good since Barack started with 65%ish.

You have your numbers a little wrong.
Obama enjoys an overall aprroval rating of 64 - 68%. One of the highest approval ratings in history.

However, when asked if people think that the country is moving in the right direction only 53% approve.

I know this because I've never understood how these numbers are so different. I always thought we judged a president on his policies and what he does for the people of country -- not whether or not we like him or think he's a good guy.

His approval rating is more about his "celebrity" image, then whether or not he is a capable Commander-in-Chief.

It's rather sad IMO. Next up for election - Paris Hilton.

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I live in Europ and we can see what the Bush neocons ( with those Cheeney + Rove + Rumsfeld malware spirits ) did to USA and its people : all the power to the rich and famous in USA, the rest all over the world can die !!!!
now that you have OBAMA ( and we also have him for OUR world ) we see a real difference in attitude to the human values that count in this life !!! so if you only think about your own money making welfare : PLEASE shed up because now is another period for this world !! some more human values, some less egoist attitude ! See how Cheeney now is trying to justify his behaviour !!! oh he is so nice now !!!! he never did this or that, he likes homos now, he is so kind to the world ..... poor neocon cancerlike satanic influence !!
poor USA if you do not understand the change, but if you try to kill this president ( in real or in intention ) then you'll show your thrue face = EGOIST - NEOCON - STUPID - CAPITALIST FRAUD - SATANIC - MALWARE - MADOFF - ENRON - FRAUD - SICKENING - STINCKING SYSTEM supporter - brainsick old fashion machos !

Originally posted by marg6043

So much for the glimmer of hope.

Yeah, and the one thing that could have helped despite this administration's disastrous spending plans was the relatively low price of oil.

All of this time has passed and NOTHING has been done to decrease our dependence on foreign oil, in fact because of new restrictions on drilling and exploration there is more dependence on foreign oil.

Have you seen how the price of gas is going back up?

Any recovery this administration had hoped would come from their insane spending and bailouts will be dashed by higher oil costs.

They have no idea how bad it will get, as these costs continue to rise and their new plans actually have helped cause that.

This belief they have that less dependence on oil without any rise in domestic production through restrictions, is only going to make it worse, and cause prices to continue to rise.

No matter how much money they throw at the the economy, they can't hope for better days when they are seeking to crush the ability to produce the life blood of this economy.

It will be too late when their fantasy green technologies arrive, they should have thought this through more.

Unless they actually want to destroy this country and economy to achieve some other goals and/or objectives.

When gas prices rise back to and above the $4 per gallon range you will see more clearly what I am talking about... Prices are already back above $2.60 per gallon in many places now and still rising.

Shipping costs will now go up sharply along with fuel surcharges, eventually causing a rise in everything in the stores. More lay-offs and unemployment will result and the downward cycle will gain momentum.

Either this administration and congress are completely stupid, or brilliant if their goal is to destroy capitalism and restructure the nation into some new twisted version of socialism then they are getting it done brilliantly!

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Text who is responsible for the problems today ?? 8 years BUSH or just the beginning Obama ??? who did permit the capitalists to fraud on all levels of the system ?? Bush or Obama ?? so lett this new president try to change something, he is not responsible for the situation we got into !!!!

reply to post by georgepatrick


The fact that you don't even live in the USA, yet claim such strong allegiance to our dear President, should tell you something.

Did you notice your tone -- the President for the WORLD?

Last I checked, we elected a person to office to represent the people of the USA (whether others agree with our decisions or not).

I see his rhetoric has worked on you.

PS - I believe others in the world, such as yourself, are so convinced that Americans are wrong in their lifestyles, values, etc. that you are hoping Obama "brings us around" to the way of living in the rest of the world. If we wanted to live in Europe - we would and could.

That would be imposing YOUR beliefs on us. Nobody liked US too much when we went around (forcibly) speading democracy!! So don't be a hypocrite now, please.

I do not know if you know but your president is also the most important president in the world for us !!! USA is still the greatest democracy in the world with very much influence in it. Do you agree ? the power of USA is very great, so of course I have to say that your president is in positiv or in negativ very very important for the evolution of this - our - world. So in some way your president is also our president - sorry for you if you do not undrstand this.

Originally posted by georgepatrick
so lett this new president try to change something, he is not responsible for the situation we got into !!!!

If your from "europ" how can you be in a situation like we here in the NAU are?

Answer: your not. You just adoring the latest Political pop star exported from the US... WooHoo its obama big deal.

The bailouts started under bush and are continued under obama and when the next man comes into power Obama will of done his part to set him up too...

I sincerely hope that my fellow citizen understand that key point. The president in power sets things up for the incoming president. They power the legislate themselves is not used by them but by the people that follow them...

You thought bush was bad for the wire taps and arrest and detainment without charges... You can look to Obama to use that legislation en mass..

In fact it has already begun with the new Cyber security Czar... It will be that Czars job to ensure that we can all be monitored, watched , and if need be, detained without warrant because we may represent a threat.

Just like those fellow in gitmo that get to plead guilty without a trial so that they can be put to death...

Can Obama be stopped? No not really, because he only has limited authority. The ones that give him his marching orders are the ones that need to be stopped.

" spreading democracy " ????? are you kidding ??? looking for oil yes !!! democracy can not being brought by war, democracy has to come from the inside of the people's countries !! you are just like missionars in Africa wanting to bring the catholicism to the " poor " lost africans !!! you did have a big macho attitude : I'll bring you the best ! I know what you need !!! but meanwhile I bomb your house and your family ???
you can bring democracy by your personnal exemple, not by your bombers !
where is the democracy in USA when you have so much fraud ??? when so much people are poor and loosing their houses ?? when you have so much violence and murdering ??? your country is SICKENING MAD and neocons are just fighting for their own profit making it more difficult ! let us give all possible power ot your president to TRY to bring some quiet and some new values to this world !

Originally posted by georgepatrick
. So in some way your president is also our president - sorry for you if you do not undrstand this.

What country did you say you were from again? Poland? No I must inform you that the US president is only the president of the USA and not your nation or the entire world or even the UN.

Maybe if you feel so passionately about politics you should try to do more for your own nation and pay less attention to ours as what happens here barely affects you in an indirect manner.

reply to post by titorite


no, for me he is not a pop star !! he is the president of USA and very important in this world. I am not considering him as a star, he just will try to change those 8 years of negativ economic evolution, war and despair.
I feel you are very sceptic about him : do you really think we are naive in Europ and do not see there is a big change there at yours ? are you paranoïd and think he is acting against the people ?? We are not so sick here, we knew doubleyou and he was really scary - remember 9/11 ? inside job ? W Bush was really making USA sick, Obama will try to make it better - some hope is justified !

reply to post by titorite


no I am not from Poland ! I am from Brussels, the capital of Europ and we know a lot about what going on in this world !! so you think that I do not have to have a opinion about your president ? do we live in a open world or in a closed one like yours ??? do you open your window sometimes and look what the president of the USA can do in this world ? what he can do for Israel / Palestine ? what he can do for USA economics ( and what he did by giving millions to the banks to save the system ! ), what he can do for ecology ?
I find that you are very negativ and have no hope for a better world : I can give you a advice : Have a wonderful ATS kind of day!

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reply to post by georgepatrick


It's always refreshing to see another perspective from afar. You are correct in your observations. It is sad for me to see so many of my fellow citizens secretly hoping that Obama will fail....how political dogma and the color of skin can trump the advancement of ones own country is beyond me.

reply to post by Witness2008


yes, yes, that is what I mean !! Obama is just in power and there you have the old wives already breaking him down !! why ?? are they preferring the BUSH neocons ? do they realise where they come from ? it's sickening to see how they want to demolish yet the president !! why didn't they demolish the bush one more rapidly ?? would have been better for everybody !! no, it seems they prefer the bush/cheeney/rumsfeld/rove machos to their new president who did receive this world " as is ".
Here we do not understand, except that those people are, we think, right wing guys who do not like black people in power and are too macho to like the more intelligent way this president is working and handling the problems he got from the past !!

reply to post by georgepatrick



First off Georgepatrick I will advise you to hit the ATS handbook located on the top of the page under the FAQ in between the search button and the chat button.

Courtesy is mandatory here.

Next off I feel that you do not understand our political structure here and therefore you comment over and over out of ignorance.

As far as democracies we are a very limited democracy. To be CLEAR we are established as a Democratic Representative Republic and even that is debatable given how our congress men redraw their district lines to ensure the get re-elected thus cheating us all....

Obama is no great savior. Anyone that wins the office of president is just their to further the agenda of the CFR and the federal reserve.

If Obama was truly a great leader Bush would of already been arrested for war crimes and crimes against humanity. He aint. I have no faith in Obama.

If you want to Love Obama like Europeans love Michal Jackson that is your prerogative. But if your gonna expound on that love then people are gonna call you out when you saw foolish things.

reply to post by titorite


I just want you to know that we want to give him a chance to change !! and you look very pessimist and desperate that you even do not want to give him that chance !! I thought USA was the land of the free - to give a chance to anybody ??? Bush got his chance, he got the worst during 8 years ! Give the chance to OBAMA, do not destroy his relance and his positiv way of trying to solve the problems he got from the neocons !
no, you just demolish him before he even got that chance ! you are a real poor man.

reply to post by titorite


I do not think that georgepatrick has been uncourtious...I think he speaks with a certain amount of bewilderment which I completely understand.

We elected a president who knew he was about to be thrown into the quick sand, the world at large is urging him on, but then some are screaming that he is not swimming fast enough for them and others simply want him to sink.

There is a world view of Obama as there was of Bush..the world was right about Bush...I'm betting the world is correct about Obama...the world does have a stake in Obamas success.

simple answer.

no

and in consideration of the alternative...

Gobama 2012! :-)


besides, who do you want in there...Jeb? pfft