2012 is a lie, and I can prove it

Originally posted by nowshining
mid 2012 will be more likely the end of mans rule on earth after which the Mark of the Kingdom will come into play... hence this prince (this beings son=just as jesus was so shall he be an alien/human hybrid) will have in him another being that calls himself lucifer - up himself to king, and once again bring in the mark of the kingdom...

Do you have ANY kind of scientific evidence to back this up?
Also, do you realize how insane all this sounds?

I hope the 2012 marks the spot from where on we can abandon all this pseudo-spiritual mumbo-jumbo. If you look at the history, who were the true visionaries? Men of science. These were the guys who REALLY blew peoples heads and were ahead of their time. Science is the light, and religion is just holding us back.

Originally posted by greenfruit
The Same people who believe in the 2012 thing , also believed in the:
Coming ice age in the 70's
Y2K
Planet alignment in the 80's
Global warming (not climate change different subject)

etc
etc
etc

I can guarantee 100% that we will all be writing on ATS on the 22 December 2012 say man that was lame......

Yep, I agree with you there...


To the OP: I am still watching your videos as I get the chance, and I just wanted to say thank you for the time and effort you have put into this research. I'm finding it pretty interesting.



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I would simply like to know which prophecies the Bible stated that cam true since they gave specific names of leaders and people like you said? simply asking as a quest for knowledge not to hate on your set of beliefs

Originally posted by kresh7
haha..well, the video you posted was very good...until det last part on part 2....f*cking christian propaganda..please stop. I don't even want to start a discussion on it, because it is to obvious. Go to christianityrules.com or something.

Enlightenment has already started. Can't you feel it? See it? 2012 is the top of the wave. A wave wich will go on for years to come, until every last one of us wakes up and takes part to the new energy.

5D earth here we come

PS: I have nothing to prove this with, it is just my opinion after my own experiences after meditation, use of different entheogenic plants(expecially Ayahuasca with Shamans in South-America) and meeting people.

Peace

This was interesting.

I have some [SNIP] experiences that are very hard to describe in any other way than "spiritual" or "magical", but I do have to consider that it's my own subconsciousness that's playing tricks on me, and that are eventually explainable by science. That's usually how it goes.

I seriously hope that the great "enlightenment" is coming in some form. I think agnosticism is liberating in the way that you can abandon all these crazy theories and not to have any kind opinion on matters that we don't yet really understand and freely create such a world we want to live in.

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2012? haha. know what it is and why the mayan calender ends there? well easy, it means at the end the calendar resets because the galaxy has done 1 full revolution, aka, a galactic year has passed, so, 2012 is nothing less than the birthday of the milky way in galactic years!

It doesnt matter even if we all do indeed DIE on 2012....we'll be dead. Cant really sign back online and say "Told ya so!"

The world will end when it ends, how do i know? i dont and neither will any of you because we will all be dead when it happens.

Arguement end.

I'm being sarcastic but that statement is still the truth, what is the actual point in discussing 2012? If the world has predicted to end in 2012 for thousands of years do you think there would actually be a way to stop it? No of course not because it is supposedly "fate".

Second, if the world ends, everyone will be dead so no one will even know about. (Please dont bring spiritual stuff into this, in my eyes if the world ends it means it GONE, no place for life, no place for spirits.)

And if you REALLY want to argue about it, why not leave it to the day? then whoever was right can be proud and smile that they were right in an arguement 3 years earlier...



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I agree that that the end of the calender is probably just that whats the use for a new one when the old one lasts 26000 years? But we can sign on from BEYOND :O lol But your right isn't that the whole point. What do you want to prove there is a rapture so what you going to repent that day? OR prove there is a Apocalypse in 2012 so you can tell who ever is coming that you always believed. Well I think if they are powerful enough to do either of those they would already have you judged by then . Moral live life and dont be a total jerk all day every day and maybe you will be smiled upon. Just my .02

Originally posted by Concept X
The world will end when it ends, how do i know? i dont and neither will any of you because we will all be dead when it happens.

Actually, I think that the term "end of the world" is quite naive in itself. I would rather talk about the extinction of human beings. Humans are animals, and species disappear, only that people are tough as cockroaches. I don't see that happening in a long time.

Maybe God will get bored one day one decide to wipe us all out (joke)

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Well that is indeed a more interesting topic ,

I remember reading in a science magazine about what would happen if humans got wiped out and which animals would take over, cockroaches ofcourse high up on the list.

But there was some other interesting ones, im pretty sure dolphins were in there somewhere aswell.

If we ever do disapear forever i would think it would either be from things that could happen in the Universe, i.e when the sun explodes, planets coliding all that sort of stuff, or our own doing by full scale world wide nuclear war or some sort of chemical war.

Also a virus could wipe us out aswell but to be honest i think theres more chance of the above two happening first.

~Cx

P.S i actually think there is a pretty high chance of us killing ourselves by our shear greed and lazyness, Everything we develop is designed to make our lives easier, at some point in the future we wont have to do anything, we prob wont even have to wake up we could control everything around us by electronic waves from dreams sent to robots, its crazy what the future might hold.

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The only reason I think somethings gonna happen in 2012 is because so many people believe it, someones probably going to do something stupid and "bring about" some kind of disaster to "make it come true"

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You know...that is actually a very interesting point.

Never thought about that before, im sure someone will try and claim there 15 minutes of fame when the time comes.

imo i dont think 2012 is anything that has to do with earths natural ending i imo think that the govt is going to use this # to further their control on the populace i mean look at all the biblical prophecies and # i mean if they wanted to rule without any opposition all they would have to do is appeal to the religious faction of the world and they wouldnt say a word except tell you how their bible was right

thats why its soo hyped they want people to believe it then the govt can pull some stuff and then everyone would fall into their grips even more

imo

Originally posted by dreaken1993
imo i dont think 2012 is anything that has to do with earths natural ending i imo think that the govt is going to use this # to further their control on the populace i mean look at all the biblical prophecies and # i mean if they wanted to rule without any opposition all they would have to do is appeal to the religious faction of the world and they wouldnt say a word except tell you how their bible was right

thats why its soo hyped they want people to believe it then the govt can pull some stuff and then everyone would fall into their grips even more

imo

This whole 2012-phenomenon is based on the Mayan calendar and a certain persons (Terrence McKennas') interpretation of it. It's been many things: apocalypse, global awakening, alien invasion.. i guess nobody knows what's eventually going to happen. Maybe nothing. It's just that the calendar comes to an end, it's an cosmic cycle making a full circle. Something is probably going to happen, but it's not going to happen in flash; we are talking about 10's of thousands of years here, so it's happening all the time. Like now.

I think it's all up to us. We can start to live like true cosmic citizens, ecologically, healthy and tolerant. I guess it's necessary for our survival.

About the government.. i certainly believe that certain parts of the power structure don't want people to wake up, because this would mean a loss of power. I think that these people work on lower levels, and greatly underestimate the human being. But they didn't cook this up. Why would they? I think that's one thing about fascism of all kind; they so believe in their own superiority that it will eventually destroy them, because they don't see people as one.

We are all family, sisters & brothers. We are all human. What you do to others you eventually do to yourself. Separation from others is an illusion..

Did that sound crazy enough?

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i know it all revolves around the mayan calender and the coming of the age of the water bearer, but i wasnt saying the govt made it up im just saying they can use it to control people

spurt of like a counterpart of project bluebeam or something along them lines

Originally posted by dreaken1993
i know it all revolves around the mayan calender and the coming of the age of the water bearer, but i wasnt saying the govt made it up im just saying they can use it to control people

spurt of like a counterpart of project bluebeam or something along them lines

I'm an Aquarius by the way (like that means s*it, hippie crap)
Haven't heard about Bluebeam.. yet. Got to study some.

EDIT: Ah, interesting *grin*..

The thinkers and the basic doctrine of the new age conspiracies books are: Elena Petrovna Blavatsky, who wrote ‘Isis Unveiled’ and ‘The Secret Doctrine.’ Alice A. Bailey who wrote ‘The Race and the Initiation and Externalization of the Heirarchy;’ ‘Initiation: Human and Savior;’ ‘The Reappearance of the Christ.’ (Their Christ is the new messiah). ‘The Destiny of the Nation,’ in which are plans for the disposition of the nation-states; ‘The Unfinished Autobiography;’ ‘Disciplineship and the New Age;’ ‘Esoteric Psychology.’

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Damn, that's some of my favorite books there. Nothing evil in those, sounds actually too good..

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I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but here is how to find an image of the object(s) in question through an infrared filter on skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov

This has not been blurred or blocked out... yet. If you use a few other filters, you will see some obvious blurring.

The following coordinates are supposedly derived from the Avebury Crop Circle.

Reference: www.youtube.com...

The coordinates are 13 47 55 -8 29 47

Use the coordinates on the SkyView Query Form under the IRAS 25 Micron survey. You will see the objects clearly with their heat/energy trails behind them.

I think we should keep our eyes on this. This all seems very suspicious.

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Exactly! There are people who just want to be the person that ended the world and take that 15 minutes of fame, and then there are people who either really believe in the prophecy, or really want everyone else to. But I think theres a pretty good chance that someone somewhere will try their hardest to end the world. They don't care about making it look like an accident or niburu or something cause everyone will be dead.

Originally posted by Concept X]
I remember reading in a science magazine about what would happen if humans got wiped out and which animals would take over, cockroaches ofcourse high up on the list.
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What about squid?
Those things are no joke! Here's a small article about them
Giant Squid Facts

The world ending in 2012 ??? Pure unadulterated Bu**Sh** !!!

Show me even the minutest bit of scientific proof/evidence to corroborate all this crap that's being posted. Look for my post the day after this "big event" and try to guess what I'll be saying !

Originally posted by Amenti
A little while back I did a video called "2012 Debunked"
Part 1
www.youtube.com...
Part 2
www.youtube.com...

I totally cracked the 2012 disinfo code by presenting the peer reviewed research in that video, ......

While I respect your right to your opinion, your assertion that 2012 can be debunked is pure unadulterated BULL PUCKIE! You haven't proven any such thing, but you did present the other side's point of view.

And YOU will be crapping your pants when things do indeed happen. Let us know where you will be sticking your head in the sand when the SHTF so I can make a special trip by you to kick your butt for being STUPID.

Needless to say, there are always 2 points of view to everything, however, the TRUTH is the TRUTH and your point of view is not TRUTH, it is simply DISBELIEF.

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