2012 is a lie, and I can prove it

reply to post by Amenti

Hi Amenti.

Do you trust and know the type of work done by Edgar Cayce ?

If no, stop reading here!
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If yes, do you know and/or have you read the Ra material,
that is linked in my signature ?

Carla and that group of 3 persons talked about 2012, back in 1981 !
That is a LONG time before many others. . . And to them,
2012 has no relation to black-holesunearth positions.

Blue skies.

Originally posted by C-JEAN
reply to post by Amenti

 

Hi Amenti.

Do you trust and know the type of work done by Edgar Cayce ?

If no, stop reading here!
================================

If yes, do you know and/or have you read the Ra material,
that is linked in my signature ?

Carla and that group of 3 persons talked about 2012, back in 1981 !
That is a LONG time before many others. . . And to them,
2012 has no relation to black-holesunearth positions.

Blue skies.

Actually yes, I used to believe cayce. and 'Ra' even when i first joined ATS in 2006 I still thought Cayce was correct.

I have since come to the conclusion that extra dimensional entities, for lack of a better word...are liars..and that sparked a whole other journey of trying to figure out why they were lying, and what they hoped to gain by it.

I have also found that they are very smart and DO know things, like how to cure certain ailments etc, but they simply use truth as bait for the bigger picture.

I encourage you also to read through some of the testimonies of people that have had close and regular contact with these entities, I think that it is a part of the same plan that I am trying to warn people about in regard to 2012.

back in 99 i found David Wilcocks channeled writings from RA and quickly was sucked in to all of that, I believe (as I show in the various videos) that 2012 is probably THE most crucial piece of the puzzle in regards to the actual implementation of the "utopia" or false Atlantis
www.youtube.com...

and we should be a lot more cautious when taking the simple comunication with spirits as TRUTH simply because its supernatural, that does NOT logically follow.





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reply to post by Amenti


Oh come one, all that just to spread biblical propaganda. You think the bible is the most important book we can own, and that it is always correct in its prophecies.


1)
Precise prophecies are risky - they have a very high probability of being wrong. The bible almost always shies away from any such attempt at prophecy choosing to make ambiguous prophecies that could be "fulfilled" by any number of different criteria instead.

If there was a god, and he was realy god like, then he could be more precice then what is written in the bible. That wague stuff is no better than what anyone can make up.


Here's a prophecy I just made up.

"There will come a time when three evil men rise to power, and a woman will oppose them, leading the people against them!"

Ill bet that comes true in... oh lets say under 20 years


2)
The character Jesus knew the prophecies he was supposed to fulfill.
How difficult is it to fulfill a prophecy you knew about beforehand? It's not. Anyway, make up a book with prophesies (old testament), and then write a book about them coming true, easy peasy.. but still hogwash.


3)
Biblical prophecies are not backed up by any evidence outside the bible.
One of the good things about the gospels: they provide historical claims that can be tested empirically.

There is also no documentation of any out of the ordinary celestial events at that time, even though such things were very accurately recorded then. Another example would be the historical absence of any corroboration to the idea that Herod's slaughter of innocent children. This tends to be the kind of thing that historians write about.


4)
Numerous prophecies were unfulfilled.

The bible spell out that god expressly says that Tyre shall never be rebuilt. Of course, Tyre was rebuilt and remains one of the oldest inhabited cities to this day (2750 BCE - present).


5)
Self-fulfilling prophecies.
These are prophecies along the lines of saying, "Tomorrow I'm going to go fishing" and then going fishing the following day.

A similar case would be saying you're going to rebuild a temple and then doing it. You can find many cases of this in the bible, and Christians all-to-eager to brand them as fulfilled prophecies.




There are 34,000 sects of Christianity on the world, and well over 250,000 different religions. The average human lives about 22,000 days - yet we are supposed to cover them all in order to find the one true faith? If that's the case, then it is quite a little crapshoot that god has set up for us, isn't it?

The bible is the obvious work of ancient people who, lacking knowledge of every iota of discovery between then and now would have obviously packed the bible such that it is bursting at the seems with ancient ignorance.

reply to post by jimminycricket


Well thanks for spoilin the movie for everybody...Greatly appreciated Dr. Science, whats next ?
No Santa Clause ?

Originally posted by ADMIN X
reply to post by jimminycricket

 

Well thanks for spoilin the movie for everybody...Greatly appreciated Dr. Science, whats next ?
No Santa Clause ?

Hey, sorry about that, I didn't realise that is a slight spoiler. I looked the movie up online and that's only a small part of the plot that would be easily guessable, and most people seem to know already, but I have added a spoiler warning to tell people to stop watching before that part if they don't want to know.

Ok. I think I get it. Nothing is going to happen in 2012. Much like nothing happened in 1776, 1789, 1812, 1864, 1913, 1917, 1929, 1932, 1942, 1945, 1963, 1969, 1981, 1989, 1991, 1995, 2001, 2003, 2009, etc. Gotcha. Whatever.

Empirical evidence seems to me to point towards another important "time" in our human story being imminent.

The sun is brighter, the winds are stronger, the rains are heavier (or non-existent).

Diseases are increasing and more diverse. Ice shelves are collapsing, volcanoes erupting, hurricanes are bigger and more frequent, earthquakes in diverse places, tornadoes larger and in new places, rampant fires annually.

Meteorites falling at an increasing rate, Venus is too bright, Pluto isn't a "planet" anymore, and other drastic solar system changes.

Now, I suppose I should spend 3 hours compiling links to support my "evidence" but unfortunately, I do not have the time, patience, posting characters, or will to do that. I assume that you all are studied enough to remember the many news stories over the last 7 or so years supporting what I am referencing.

Thanks for the post.

reply to post by Amenti


You debunk 2012, but you no doubt believe in the Rapture? You are just trading one fairytale for another. The 2012 gang try and use science, and you use the Bible - who do you think people are going to believe?

Originally posted by titorite
Isn't this a hoax? Or at least a gray area subject matter.. I mean its not like you time traveled into the future spent a year in 2012 and then traveled back with video evidence that nothing strange happens is it?

So are you saying that the people who predicted that something would happen in 2012 time traveled into the future?

Originally posted by WatchNLearn
reply to post by Amenti

 

You debunk 2012, but you no doubt believe in the Rapture? You are just trading one fairytale for another. The 2012 gang try and use science, and you use the Bible - who do you think people are going to believe?

I had thought about that. Hmm, let us see here. 3 and 1/2 years after 6/21/09 is 12/21/12. Coincidence? Well, probably.

One part of me wants them to just stop with the 2012 and theories and relax.

BUT

The.."other" part of me figures "hey invest a little stock in the survival companies!"


It's honestly one of those things you can try to disprove till you're blue in the face with all the facts/evidence in the world but nothing is going to change their minds till it's after the date then they'll double talk and come up with excuses just like with the GFL.

reply to post by pop_science


Yes. Sure, 2012 is debunked. It should be. None of this is really about a date, is it? I am starting to think that those of us, myself included, that grab onto dates as an end, change, enlightenment, are really just seeing that the world HAS to change. I would hope that 2012 would allow for us to all come together as 1 people, 1 world, but alas, I hoped 2009 would be the year as well.

So, why not today, yesterday, tomorrow? I am confused. The wars, poverty, and unhappiness continue.

If I had my way, I would go back in "time" (cough) and slap whomever invented time just for doing that.

So my point and challenge is that we all start right now. Think about what you do with every action. Let us help others and do good if only just because, maybe, just maybe 2012 or 2009 is the time.

Thank you again. Isn't ATS great!?!

Originally posted by greenfruit
The Same people who believe in the 2012 thing , also believed in the:
Coming ice age in the 70's
Y2K
Planet alignment in the 80's
Global warming (not climate change different subject)

hi
Y2K was absolutely real. The amount of money an man-hours that have been spent into correcting software programs is really big. Has it not been done that would be another totally different world.
It's not because you haven't seen the doom that it never potentially existed.

And yes, in my work we spent lot of time on this problem the two years before Y2K.

For the rest, I can't tell, as it is the future. But I definitively believe that we humans have changed the climate. But it's only my opinion.

cheers

TheTilde
mangling the English language since last century.

Originally posted by WatchNLearn
reply to post by Amenti

 

You debunk 2012, but you no doubt believe in the Rapture? You are just trading one fairytale for another. The 2012 gang try and use science, and you use the Bible - who do you think people are going to believe?

you should see what I really believe about the rapture...it actually has quite a bit to do with this 2012 deception

Originally posted by Ayrton






Anybody got any clue what is being hidden there, more or less discreet?

Got the coordinates from this video.
Youtube

[edit on 6-6-2009 by Ayrton]

Hmm, not interesting?

I know this may be a long shot here... but humor me for a few... When I first started reading about 2012 and the galactic alignment, I was also watching the usual alien info as well. Something that I just happen to catch myself is this. If we are to have a massive galatic alignment and see solar storms like never before seen on earth, then my guess would be that the sky would turn a bright red. Keeping that in mind, I kinda pieced something together when I was watching a video called "Abduction Diaries" and heard a specific story that a woman had told. Now, take it as you will, I'm not claiming anything here... Just found this an interesting tie together...

Watch from 3:03 (the time clock on this video counts down)

it.truveo.com...

The video itself doesn't match the sound exactly, but the sound never messes up...

Tell me what you think of this...

Good points, but there are still several special astronomical events due to take place in late 2012, including a full planetary alignment, aries (however that chunk of rock is spelled) and our solar maximum.

Of course there are a lot of things in motion up there and we can't see them all, realistically, astronomy is a science we know little to nothing about, but have theories for just about everything. We just haven't had enough time to know how our solar system's cycles work.

2012 cannot be debunked until it's passed, there are some things we can't ignore, and there are some things we should question, but ultimately we won't know until it's come and gone.

Originally posted by NWOhereNOW

So are you saying that the people who predicted that something would happen in 2012 time traveled into the future?

Your sarcasm needs some temperance with intelligence. I am saying that the statement " 2012 is a lie, and I can prove it" is a very illogical statement.

As far as I understand it that year is a theoretical reality that has yet to exist. I believed in the year 2009 back in 2008 and I believe 2010 will come around same as 2012 will come around.

As for a SitX sort of thing happening in 2012??? Well, that to is not a debunkable thing either. Thats like saying "the rainstorm the weather man predicted tomorrow is a Lie and I can prove it!" You can not prove or disprove the chronological event till tomorrow comes around.

Till then it remains open to speculation.

Originally posted by titorite
I am saying that the statement " 2012 is a lie, and I can prove it" is a very illogical statement

I knew this would be the entire argument for a certain percentage of people here.

I thought here at ATS, in the 2012 section 2012 would be almost a generic term for the theories themselves.

So after that straw man is down, why do you think the entire movement has been lying to us about galactic alignment, do you think there is a reason.

Originally posted by SkepticPerhaps
Good points, but there are still several special astronomical events due to take place in late 2012, including a full planetary alignment, aries (however that chunk of rock is spelled) and our solar maximum.

if you are talking about astrology, you are correct, (that is the planets will appear to be aligned from the earths perspective)

but if you are talking about astronomy then you are incorrect the planets in no way are going to be aligned, this is again, total disinfo, check it out for yourself.

www.skyviewcafe.com...

Originally posted by Amenti


So after that straw man is down, why do you think the entire movement has been lying to us about galactic alignment, do you think there is a reason.

I have no idea. I am just saying you can't prove or disprove an event till said Timing of the event comes to pass. Till then its all just speculation.



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