UCLA Prohibits Student from Saying 'Jesus' in Graduation Speech

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by OKCBtard

Her right to thank who she wants! Freedom of speech! Freedom of Religion! Call it what you want, but at ones own graduation speech, you should be able to thank anyone you please.

She is not the only one graduating.

That is the point.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by Annee]

Um duh! Who cares who all is graduating! Everyone gets to speak!

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


Jewish men wear Yamulkes...

This is why mankind will NEVER be able to live peacably amongst eachother and there will always be wars and hate.

Too many intolerant people with their own petty personal opinions on the way the world should revolve around their own idiotic ideals in life.

I say that I have to be tolerant of others ethnic background and religous beliefs even though I don't personally care for them and have done nothing but turn America into an ethnic and religous cesspool. I fortunately am tolerant and educated enough to live and comply with their beliefs being forced upon me (and in public I might add).

Deal with it. I can't believe the audacity of a person or persons who believe they actually have a right to tell anyone what they may say or do with their own life.

Speak what you will, do what you want and let nobody opress or silence you. You are born free even in an enslaved country. It's what you're willing to sacrifice for your freedom.

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No, actually I don't know what happened with that thread.

Well I disagree with a lot of things, guess what I do? I deal with it. I have grown a thick skin over the years, if I got into a fight and tried to fight against everything that offends me I wouldn't ever get anywhere in life, and my life would be miserable.

Anyway the professor himself says she can say something similar, and she will, because if they specifically barred her from not being able to say it they would have a huge law suit on their hands.

Your religion or beliefs aren't the only ones. I guess people don't believe what you believe and you didn't like it so why are you continuing the viscous cycle?

I have no idea what a starseed is but I would venture to say you probably consider your self smarter than a whole lot of other people and if that is the case, why are you bringing yourself down to their level?

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Appreciate it!

[edit on 5-6-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

[edit on 5-6-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by mikerussellus
I guess first ammenment rights don't apply if you're a christain. Especially in a state like California.

And if it was a Luciferian?

You would support her giving her speech and praising Lucifer?

Yes. Because I believe in the first ammendment, just not what everyone says.

I'm sure if a student wanted to thank allah then it would be fine right?

The courts decision ruling for the seperation of church and state is totally wrong and anyone who can read the Constitution for themselves will realize this. It's obvious to anyone with a brain that the Constitution means that the government should not promote a religion. Big difference!

The government not being allowed to promote a religion does NOT mean that the government can prevent individuals from expressiing religious views only that the government cannot mandate a religion.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife

I have grown a thick skin over the years, if I got into a fight and tried to fight against everything that offends me I wouldn't ever get anywhere in life, and my life would be miserable.

Dude! I'm 62 - you don't think I've grown a thick skin?

I'm actually not fighting against - I am fighting for.

It is standard practice in public schools (in some states) not to allow religious offerings. Most posters on this thread are arguing from personal belief and emotions - - rather then logic and rationale - - against an already in place procedures for this exact situation.

I would prefer to see EVERY belief offered from the diversity of this graduating class - - rather then none. I think that would be awesome.

But if ALL can't be accommodated - - then none can be.

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And by-the-way - - just for you - - I fully support the 2nd amendment.





[edit on 5-6-2009 by Annee]

Hey let her thank her imaginary god. As long as people can give a speech after explaning how much of a moron she is thanking an imaginary "spirit" for getting her through school. She obviously doesn't think she had the brains to do it herself (she probably passed with a 2.0 :@@

Free speech and all that.

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Well then by that logic then we must all live poor, because we all can't be rich. Deal with it. She worked her butt off to graduate high in her class and she has earned the right to speak. If people don't like what she has to say then they can get up and leave.

If an atheist wanted to give a speech or some other religion then they should have worked harder. Screw all this accommodating everybody crap, what happened to personal responsibility, I guess if she got all A's she should give a points of her GPA to all the students that didn't get as high as grades as her so they can feel "accommodated".

If I were her, I would have said it anyway, screw them. I'm not even Christian, nor do I worship Jesus and this is disturbing to me. I guess it's ok for others to express their beliefs because we are such a tolerant country! What a joke.

It's this type of PC tripe that is ruining this country. Christmas is now "winter festival-time" Easter is "spring renewal-time"
Makes me sick when someones right to free speech, their right to express their own religious belief is trampled. If she were a muslim there would be protests, ACLU, and %$#@ing riots to allow her to praise allah. But because she is christian, we're all of a sudden afraid she might offend someone?
Who is the weenie/PC/thin-skinned/sissy that would get offended?

Because chuches are near "public" streets, we should tell them to take the crosses off their buildings?
It might offend some weasel who has nothing better to do.

rants over now. . .

Originally posted by rogue1
Hey let her thank her imaginary god. As long as people can give a speech after explaning how much of a moron she is thanking an imaginary "spirit" for getting her through school. She obviously doesn't think she had the brains to do it herself (she probably passed with a 2.0 :@@

Free speech and all that.

And you have the moronic right to believe and express the thought that you came from a monkey. Enjoy your banana.

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The girl earned the right to say whatever she wished...The "Professor" who edited her speech should mind her own business, just because she didn't like it she has no right to edit it out...the girl has a right to free speech...

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
She worked her butt off to graduate high in her class and she has earned the right to speak. If people don't like what she has to say then they can get up and leave.

No one is stopping her from speaking. They are asking her to have respect for her fellow graduates.

It simply is not all about her.

Plus - - it is actually mandated by the state for public schools.

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Why don't her fellow graduates have respect for her? Or more accurately the professor?

Respect is a two way street. If they don't like what she has to say then they can leave.

And you wonder why California is dead broke.

Originally posted by Annee
Good!

Her personal religion doesn't belong at a graduation of multi-cultural students of various beliefs.

No, not good. So students of other cultures/religions are allowed to thank their gods and it would be ok because after all we don't want to offend them, but if a Christian is doing the same thing then it's a horrible thing? No, this is a country of religious freedom, and everyone should be able to express it without fear of being flamed for it. It's not like she was trying to convert everyone.

Originally posted by Annee

NO - I am NOT Joking.

Religion belongs at home or in your church. It does not belong in Government or any public School.

UCLA is a public school.

So, I guess Christians are expected to not be able to practice their 'religion' in public? No prayer in public, etc? I guess Christians should tell our Creator, 'sorry, I couldn't thank you for that because I was in public.'

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
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Why don't her fellow graduates have respect for her? Or more accurately the professor?

Respect is a two way street. If they don't like what she has to say then they can leave.

And you wonder why California is dead broke.

Yes Respect is a Two way street.

You see this as not respecting her faith belief

I see it as respecting everyone's faith belief.

We will just have to call a draw.

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Come on - - what does CA being broke have to do with this? That is a cheap shot - that has no bearing on this.

It simply is not all about her.

Plus - - it is actually mandated by the state for public schools.

It is about her, her beliefs and her rights. and when in the hell has state law MANDATED that the rights to free speech were to be denied?

Your attitude offends me, therefore you should be silenced, right?
I mean, if I'm to agree with you, then anyone who offends me can shut the hell up, right?

Originally posted by Annee
No one is stopping her from speaking. They are asking her to have respect for her fellow graduates.

It simply is not all about her.

And it's not all about those like you who do not believe in God.

Why should anyone in the audience be offended by hearing someone say the word God? Will your ears bleed? Will your head explode? Why should anyone care who she thanks? Will it change your beliefs?

If not, then people should just mind their own business and stop trying to implement their secular beliefs on everyone else in the audience.