conscious Oobe....It's Real!!

Originally posted by Cug
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Originally posted by Enyalius

Anything supernatural is automatically catagorised as occult, however I disagree with this.

Personally I believe that most of the "supernatural" stuff is well... bunk.

True. Supernatural is a bad choice of words, but keep in mind that it is how most mundane people (not looking down on people although this word could imply such) call it, see it and how they're able to understand it.

However I still see the deities that I work with both as real deities as well as psychological outer manifestations depending on how the ritual is performed. As I understand Cug only deals with it as the psychological aspect and doesn't "belief" in the more esoterical side of the ritual. Correct me if I'm wrong.

As Cug also stated. It's difficult to find just one or two books that can explain all. This is also why many occultists have a natural book "fetish". Bookcases full of books mentioning topics that are related to one another and when you see those similarities and relations then you will see what there really is.

On previous pages I mentioned a short list of books that I found usefull. I'll mention them here again:
Title/author
Psychic Self-Defense, Dione Fortune
Astral projection, Magic and alchemy, Francis King
The middle pillar, Isreal Regardie
Magickal states of consciousness, Denning
Mental and astral projection, Moser
New Dimensions red book, Wilby
Practicle techniques of astral projection, Baker
The art and practice of astral projection, Ophiel
Psychology and Alchemy, Jung
Mastering Astral Projection:90 day course to OOBE, Bruce and Mercer
Akashic Records: Collective Keepers of Divine Expression, Lumari
The Universe and Multiple Reality: A Physical Explanation for Manifesting, Magick and Miracles, M. R. Franks

my brother and sister wish to attempt astral projection. i am uneasy about this because of the fact that the experience may be shocking to them. would it be overall harmful if they try this? i am also unsure about this because they are not very edjucated about astral projection so i dont want to teach them how to do this. i was hoping someone very edjucated about this like river goddess would give me some advice on the best course of action for this.

Your OOBE experience was not uncommon, yet people who fail to believe in the possibilities of the universe tend to live in worldy containment. Therefore hope for afterlife and supernatural get surpressed by bills and worldly possessions. You were touched by the Holy Ghost, and I hope you continue on your spiritual journey. Don't ask what God can do for you, but what you can do for God

I'm amazed how long this thread actually is and I don't think I'll be able to trudge through it all any time soon. However the parts I have read have been very interesting. I've been interested in astral projection for a while but have never been able to achieve it. I can sometimes achieve a trance-like state but usually I either fall asleep or my heart rate increases rapidly (I feel like it's going to burst out of my chest) and I pull myself out of it in fear.

I think anybody who has an OOBE is very lucky and probably quite gifted because it involves letting yourself go and throwing caution to the wind. Which comes quite hard to me unfortunately. I have had lucid dreams but I always force myself to wake up in them because I get afraid. Perhaps with time I will reach my goal but I think it'll take me a while. I don't think I'll be as lucky as TheRiverGoddess to be 'yanked' but reading her experiences has made me realise that it will be worth the wait and work.

Originally posted by psimorb333
i was hoping someone very edjucated about this like river goddess would give me some advice on the best course of action for this.

Oh psimorb thank for this big vote of confidence but it is NOT me.......
I am NOT the one who is highly educated in this subject.

I am a seeker of knowledge and I am learning on this thread.....I started this thread to ask for help and further my own knowledge.....and now I keep with the thread with the hope that others would also find the discourse enlightening, as well as documenting my experiences.

You and your siblings should start at the beginning and read this WHOLE dang thread, and you will know about as much as I do....
(except for the fact that I know what its really like to OOBE because of my yanker...this gave me a huge boost in ability)
If you are SERIOUS about learning as much as you can you will read it, because its right here waiting for you.

Teachers pop up all over within the thread and give us so much information it is AWSOME!
This thread CAN TEACH a person TO OOBE....... following the lessons within it, has brought success to more than just a couple of people.
By reading the thread you will learn and see that I am NOT a 'Master' of Astral Projection..............but there ARE some Masters speaking on this thread, who are generous & kind in sharing time and energy answering questions from those of us who are learning.
There are MANY people who have this ability joining in on this thread and sharing different POV on the subject, but very few people dare claim to have MASTERED this ability.
I do not know if any of the Masters are willing to yank anybody out here.....
I think they would rather you get there on your own, wich you CAN through practice and practice and more practice.....Alot of the books on the subject are claiming you CAN do it in 30 days if you practice every day.






[edit on 6-4-2007 by theRiverGoddess]

thank you river goddess. i have read about half of the thread(it is very long). my sister is 12 and my brother is 10. i am 16. i will read the thread and let by brother and sister as well.

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psimorb333, I strongly suggest that your brother and sister hold off on trying to AP. 10 and 12 years old is really just too young. (And 16 is borderline.. but that all depends on your maturity, something I can't judge)

What makes you say any age is too young???? You talk about it like it is medication or alcohol or something. The only reason people make a big deal about it is because most people were raised up being told such things were impossable or witchery. When you are brought up believing that the only limits you have are the ones you place on yourself, AP and many other things come as naturally as learning to walk.

If they are ready to learn, then more power to them. Just make sure you never make them feel insecure about themselves


Saying that AP or anything else of that nature is evil, or good is silly. It is the person and their intentions.

I've heard of people around 8 or 9 years old being able to AP with ease thinking it is a natural thing and losing the ability to consciously do it as they get older.

I am of the opinion that the sooner you learn to do this the better. The experiance will shape your entire belief system, and the sooner you KNOW your own truth the better IMO. No better way to actually KNOW it than to experiance it for yourself.................thats just my personell take on the age issue.
I began to strive for this at around age 14, so I personally understand the desire to ~KNOW~ ...........to be able to ~DO~


I got out last night. I had a bit of a struggle to exit though because as usuall I was so excited to hear the rushing sound.....I had to keep telling myself RELAX RELAX breath in breath out......relax.........after a while of fully relaxing into it I was able to get out.
Once out I used a technique I learned on Coast to Coast monday night.....I immediatly strongly stated "AWARENESS NOW" to bring all my concentration into one thought form and be fully aware of being out. This worked very well because once I did this I truly felt stronger and more solidly in my astral state (if you can understand what I am saying)...............
I had the old problematic issue of NOT being able to SEE again!!! So I was stateing "CLEAR VISION NOW" and then I thought about my body laying in bed and maybe if I was laying on my back it would clear my astral vision and then I realised that was a silly thought.....but by the time this though finished I was BACK in my body. The man on Coast to Coast said over and over the minute you think about your body you go back to it....and I find this to be absolutly true, and extremely frusterating.
Soooooooooooooo I gently just breathed and hoped for the sounds to return and they did. I was AGAIN able to get out..........but as I was getting out I was telling myself to "NOT think about my body...just don't think about your body" and of course this WAS thinking about my body and all I did was pop right back in.
So I am lying there...........recalling that they discussed on Coast to Coast that while in the astral state if you send healing energy toward your body or another persons body it can be as if a miracle has taken place in healing....I was trying to figure out HOW in the world I could send healing energy to my own body WITHOUT thinking about my body. I was wondering HOW I could relax enough to get out with all these thoughts & questions bouncing around in my head
I wish I had learned to do this as a child, seriously................sheesh.

I was beginning to think that was all for the night............and I was starting to lightly drift off, and the sound came back and I popped out pretty fast this time. I still couldnt SEE but rather than trying to FORCE anything I just relaxed into whatever would take place.............I felt as if I was moving fast, as if I was flying, but I had no visuals to back up the feelings.....I quietly was stateing 'clear vision' and I was decididedly attempting to send some extra energy toward myself so that I could SEE.....and a fleeting thought came to my mind about how I may need to visualise my face to send this energy and BLAM............that was it I was back in my body.

In frusteration I got up and got a drink of water and stomped around the house in the dark a bit grumbleing to myself about how its only MY perception and I seem to be making this very hard on myself to be able to DO......and making it hard to just go wuth the flow......ack ack.
I took a sleeping pill and just went to bed to sleep. I took all thoughts on this matter and shelved them for the night, figuring I would write today and maybe while writting it up I could make more sense out of it.
BUT NO......
I have not made any more sense......it is just a FACT that thinking about yourself=YOUR BODY........takes you back to it no matter what your desire. Maybe when you are trying to get out thoughts of your body will also keep you within it? MAYBE this is an issue that is so common that it keeps most people from being able to even get out? maybe a constant visual of ones BODY will be the big stopping factor for alot of people?
I mean I seriously just have the most fleeting little thought of my body even in the sense of HOW would I go about sending healing energy back to my body and that thought sends me immediatly back, no if's and's or but's and NO stopping it.......................just BLAM. Your back.
Just the thought to myself to NOT think of my body is enough thinking about my body to send me straight back How silly I am. All I can do today is chuckle at myself and my learning curve......I seem to be taking a long time for things to smooth out.

I need a focal point beyond myself that does not include 'myself'


I am anxious for the new books I ordered to come, I am SO primed for new lessons and new perspectives.



If I ever win the lottery I am going to take ALL of you O.O.B.E people on a cruise with me to go visit Bandit on his island and we can all have a week intensive workshop hanging out and sharing ideas and techniques and making sand castles on the nice white beaches.

I am serious.



[edit on 7-4-2007 by theRiverGoddess]

Now that would be good.

I really don't know what to make out of this vision problem but something I've noticed in my last few OBE's is that if my covers are covering my eyes whilst im actually projecting, then this seems to have an effect on my astral vision. I know it sounds odd but its something I've noticed. I'm expecting to experience something tonight seems I was out drinking yesterday so I'll probably be posting tomorrow.

covers over your eyes effect you???
my pillow is over my eyes or my eyes smashed into my pillow.

hmmmm I am usually face down on the pillow with my mouth area not on the pillow and I am mouth breathing. This is how I sleep.

I try really HARD to sleep on my back but it never works I end up rolling over.

It would be really weird if my whole vision problem if the direction my face is planted on my pillow.

Rivergoddess, it sounds like you are trying too hard. You know how, if you try too hard to have an orgasm, the less likely you are to have one? It is the SAME THING. Well... not that it is the same as an o.....you get my point :blush: Anyway when you go to bed at night, just give yourself permission to go out, then close your eyes and enjoy the ride. Seriously, only from there will you find your controll. There is a huge learning process. You cant just jump in and expect to know what you are doing. Ditch the grown up thought process, fear, doubt and all and revert back to your toddler self. Play around and explore. That is the only way you are going to learn how to fly ...... so to speak.

I don't care what people's excuses are , one should do one's best to not type like an overexcited child when sharing a paranormal experience. ( apoligies to kids on the board )

Anyway , I am very interested in astral projection ....lucid dreaming / dream control , and other stuff.

As for people being worried about age : It's just a number and we place far too much importance on it most of the time. Especially given the fact that it's easier to do many things the younger you are , I say it shouldn't be worried about too much if the kids aren't getting scared or hurt when they experiment with AP.

[edit on 8-4-2007 by k24601]

i was reading this forum and i found a link to a thread on a website that has over 20 techniques for conscious oobe's i want to re post it because of how many techniques there are. it looks very helpful

www.astralsociety.com...

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Its been a long time since I started this thread...............
I can't even BEGIN to explain how amazing it was to be answered and taken out.....ya ya ya I look back at the UBER excited typing and feel pretty dorky but ya know what? thats the ONLY way I could figure out how to attempt to express what I was feeling....I was laughing and crying and shaking and jumping up and down......if how it was typed is such a BIG PROBLEM for some people then it is their problem to deal with and they can pass it by and move on to something else..................thats what I do if something bothers me. I move on.
I do not try and make the person feel bad or stupid for the ways that they choose to express themselves at the time.............oh well some people just need to put others down, I guess it makes them feel better about what they lack in their own lives.


[edit on 9-4-2007 by theRiverGoddess]

Originally posted by mrsdudara
What makes you say any age is too young???? You talk about it like it is medication or alcohol or something.

There are plenty of things in this world that children should not do.

The only reason people make a big deal about it is because most people were raised up being told such things were impossable or witchery.

It is witchery.

When you are brought up believing that the only limits you have are the ones you place on yourself, AP and many other things come as naturally as learning to walk.

The sexual impulse also comes naturally.. but children should not have sex, that doesn't mean you have to hide it from them, but they are just no mature enough to handle the responsibility.

Just make sure you never make them feel insecure about themselves

Why would saying they are not ready for it make them feel insecure about anything?

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess

hmmmm

I am usually face down on the pillow with my mouth area not on the pillow and I am mouth breathing. This is how I sleep.

Another good reason not to try AP while your sleeping.

Honestly try it when your awake. This thread is just about 3 years old now, and it seems you have not progressed all that much in that time. It seems to me it's time to at least try another approach. Just my humble opinion.

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess

hmmmm

I am usually face down on the pillow with my mouth area not on the pillow and I am mouth breathing. This is how I sleep.

Cug
Another good reason not to try AP while your sleeping.

Honestly try it when your awake. This thread is just about 3 years old now, and it seems you have not progressed all that much in that time. It seems to me it's time to at least try another approach. Just my humble opinion.

I swear I am not TRYING to do this when I am sleeping.........I do make efforts at other times to try it.
So far when I try and make it happen it NEVER does.....I do not seem to be able to force it at all.....it either comes or it doe'snt. I keep dream journals and keep track of what my food and drink intake is to try and find the common themes for when I do OOBE.....so far it remains a mystery to me
I am not trying to 'make' it happen when I am going to bed, but it does happen sometimes before falling asleep. I always write about it here so you all know when and how....
The harder I try and MAKE this happen the more unlikely it does, so I just have a que ser ah ser ah attitude and let it be what it will.
I wonder if it only comes to be prior to sleeping because that is how it was the first time?
I have done a bit of taking time during the day to sit and be still and try to get somewhere with this, to no avail so far......it comes to me only when I don't 'try'........with the exception of it happening ALOT when I am reading and studying about it, but only if the book is an actual BOOK and not off the net. I dont understand why reading and studying about it on the net is different somehow but it is.............

I am sure these are just my personal issues and not at all common, and I know there is a lesson for me in here, and I am looking at it from different angles trying to see it clearly. I am sure once I see something I am missing in a different light the lesson will come clear.
In the meantime I keep on keeping on........and I keep writing here about it. I can not be THE ONLY person on the planet who has to overcome stumbleing blocks for that in wich they desire to learn and have a hard time seeing clearly how to get it right, and in watching my lameness at not SEEING clearly in the most littarell sense, maybe they won't feel so alone............

[edit on 9-4-2007 by theRiverGoddess]