conscious Oobe....It's Real!!

Hello Everyone, this is my first post. I signed up to ATS about a couple days and i have spent alot of time reading about OOBE, i had read about it before about a year ago and it is so interesting to me. I have tried to have an OOBE but so far i am unsucessful. I have a hard time getting to that meditation peroid where my body is totally relaxed. So, I'd hate to hijack a thread like this but this seems to be the spot where everyone is posting for advice so i thought i would give it a try because so many of you seem to have experience.

Whats the best thing for me to do to try and have my first OOBE? Maybe something for me to read or do phsyically. I have read alot of the "1st step, 2nd step" deals on some websites but they dont seem to work. Any advice/help would be much appreciated.

Thank you,
Soliex (Andrew)

I am doing the master cleanse right now........I am journeling the experiance over in BTS............and so far in the past I have NOT been able to have an OOBE whilst cleansing.

I origonally THOUGHT that cleansing would have made it easier...being so close to pure and all........but it doesnt for me. Thats been MY experiance anyway.

So I rather doubt I will have anything much to add to this thread for the duration of this cleasne.....(I am unsure how long I am going to do it)...................

TRG's cleanse journel
www.belowtopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Soliex
Hello Everyone, this is my first post. I signed up to ATS about a couple days and i have spent alot of time reading about OOBE, i had read about it before about a year ago and it is so interesting to me. I have tried to have an OOBE but so far i am unsucessful. I have a hard time getting to that meditation peroid where my body is totally relaxed. So, I'd hate to hijack a thread like this but this seems to be the spot where everyone is posting for advice so i thought i would give it a try because so many of you seem to have experience.

Whats the best thing for me to do to try and have my first OOBE? Maybe something for me to read or do phsyically. I have read alot of the "1st step, 2nd step" deals on some websites but they dont seem to work. Any advice/help would be much appreciated.

Thank you,
Soliex (Andrew)

I kept at it for well over 8 months before I was successful. For some, it may not be easy.

Is it worth the effort?

YES!

I've had a couple while awake, & several while asleep. I can't do it at will, but know some people who can. They have been in Scientology for many years. Perhaps it gets easier when one removes enough past life astral plaque. I once tested a person who could do it by asking what type of car was going to arrive from around the corner, she said green Maverick, she was right.

Have no interest in debating debunkers who have not had an obe, therefore no subjective experience.

[edit on 26-11-2006 by Black Sword]

You can try to use something called a saltcube timer. Try to watch your self fallasleep everynight. There is a place where your not asleep nor awake. One night while observing your self you will find your self in this neutral gear. We sometimes have it but we fall and catch ourselves. Which takes you out the gear.

Hi Black Sword,

It was the exercises dianetics 55 and scientology:the fundamentals of thought that got me to the point of exteriorization. It is these exercises that keep me well to this day.

I also recommend: "Advance procedures and axioms" and " Self Analysis"

It is a convoluted timeline in this lifetime that keeps people from walking free of their forms. If it were not for the convoluted timeline, they could look down their timeline to conception and see themselves entering this life and see the way out and understand the control for their form and how they control their form even when not near to it. It is their lack of understanding that keeps them pinned in. Their timelines are impinged by their well meaning parents who in the depths of time decided as their parents before to anchor their child to them and to the Earth. I'll call this "Original Sin" or generational sin. It goes that those with the most early memories are least impinged and most likely to walk free and those with the fewest memories are the least free and would require the most work to aquire freedom.

Right-o Bode. Um, what do you do in exiting & picturesque Cleveland? I once worked in a mall near youngstown Ohio. Didn't go too well.

P.S. nuther thought bout obe's. For whatever reason, these seem to occur when injured & at the hospital. Happenned to me. & also a sort of astral travel as well. Like most of us, I have tried to figure out the riddle of how to control these rather fun experiences. Will let you know when & if that happens.

Right now I'm in transition.

I'm a machinist trying to make the leap to full time currency trader.

It's not an easy task, but anything worth having is not easily aquired.

I work w/ someone from the Youngstown area!

It does not just happen to trauma patients. Hundreds of thousands of people in the US and millions around the world have this ability. They just aren't as vocal about it and they haven't found this thread yet.




[edit on 11/26/2006 by bodebliss]

Yes I reckon that's true. Perhaps the evolution of bodies started with astral bodies, or energy bodies & then descended into our current solid meat & bones ones. An evolution going from not having a body to thicker & heavier types. Dunno, just a theory. Often wondered how many astral bodies we have.

Some obe's I think are astral travel, & some are complete separation from 'all' our collective bodies.

L. Ron in his books conjectured that the universe is made of spirits that have taken to existence as Matter, Energy, Space, and time or MEST as he liked to call it. This would mean trillions of spirits per cubic micrometer.

I tend toward this view.

He goes on to say they don't realize they are spirits as they have become that which they chose and are now locked in place as they are.

He also spoke that very young children who are not traumatized and animals can freely leave their bodies.

This I have seen with my own eyes.

He said you don't need an astral body to leave your form.

This is the only way to travel and it is the way I OBE.

He rightly points out that you and I are not MEST and our footprint in this universe is a dot smaller than an atom. The reason most can't see this is it is frightening to most to come to the realization that all there is to us is a dot smaller than an atom. They thusly clothe themselves in astral bodies. It is "ok". They talk about slowly leaving their forms. To me, it is instantaneous. I see a point after leaving my body and can be there *ZIP* instantaneously. It feels like faster than light travel.


Before you can progress you will need to clear out the plus and minuses of the traumatic exteriorization by using the exercises in those books I mentioned.





[edit on 11/27/2006 by bodebliss]

For some reason I have got the Monty Python image from The meaning of life scene where they are poisoned by the salmon mouse & leave their bodies, but still have transparent form, & one of em says, 'shall we take the cars?' & they agree & the cars go along in astral form to heaven. Sorry, I'm being silly & somewhat off topic, naughty me.

Seriously though, I do suppose like it would take some discipline, like getting a black belt or becoming a shaolin priest or something, probably take a bit of time.

this morning after waking......I wasnt quite up to getting up...so I had my eyes closed and let my mind wander and the sounds came loud and it was throbbing. It only throbbed 5 times and stopped for that brought me to full attention and wide awake. I did not mean to do that but I was excited of course and I though " WOW COOL Im gunna get to go out YEY!!!!!" and this thought pattern woke me right up and abruptly ended the pulsation of sound. I lye there with my eyes closed and concentrated on my breathing but was unable to summon it back.

This is THE FIRST time I have even heard the sounds during a cleanseing sesson........I was a little to excited about the whole thing and chased it away.....

I hope this doesn't sound like a silly question, but is it easier for women to do this on average than men? Women are stronger in many ways.

I just did 2 colon cleanses & got real tired & slept more.

[edit on 27-11-2006 by Black Sword]

It may sound that way Black sword.

It does take work at first because people are often in the personality of the dominate parent or guardian as they grew up.

Even if that person is dead now, in their minds, it is as if they are here now and when they are in their own personality they are weak.

When you remove this other person from your being you will be freer and your timeline will unravel some. This will often lead people to believe they are free, but there is more work to do. As long as there is a twist left in your timeline you will have to do the simple and easy exercises in those books to maintain your gains, but at least the backsliding will stop.

It is all explained by an expert in those books. How people are, What the work can give you, why it is important. I am thinking me writing out the books here would not do them justice, and if you are really interested in spiritual gains the kind that aren't available by any other means you'd want to read them yourself.

I think that would be a painless start.

Hello there Paranormal Crew!

i've been using meditation to achieve OOBE for almost 3 years and so far i got real close to it 4 times only but at "that" moment (all body feels like it has a electrical layer around it pulsating, some kind of cold energy all over the body, the heart "beating fast-but-i-know-it's-fake" and a strange high-pitched noise in the ears) i begin to loose concentration.. i think it's fear. Well i can't deny, from experiences i heard of OOBES you can see pretty much of all things, including what you most don't want to see (in my case, greys.) And i also think i can't properly use/flow energy through me.. some people say that i may have "spiritual blocks" that are making all my effort useless unless i try to open then. I also have used several techniques but they get useless within time, i think i rely too much on the same technique ever... well the one that most works with me from time to time is robert bruce's - the rope .. but lately i don't feel anything than a buzzing in my 2nd chakra. Can anyone gimme a direction/tip please if that wouldn't be a problem?

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Great thread.

I have a problem though, I can't get out of my physical body. Everytime I lay down, and start the process, my concious mind kicks in right away. Once this happens, a myriad of negative thoughts are created, such as:

What are you doing?
You know this isn't real, so why are you wasting your time?
Get up and go do something more productive

The thing is, I truely want to astral project. But when my concious mind starts kicking in, theres nothing I can do to project because so many negative thoughts are being created and I just either end up laying there for a while and eventually getting up or I end up falling asleep.

Anyone have an tips for me? If I could finally astral project, I think alot of stuff would start making more sense to me, so it is definetely something I want to achieve. I am not afraid of anything that could possibly exist in the astral world, mainly because I am so curious. No fear exists when I lay down and do this, so it is not contributing.

Hey, if anyone could help me out and pull me from my body when I start to project that would be nice, u2u if there are any takers.

[edit on 11/28/2006 by tHeJwAy13]

down through you

the dark trees

you came...

to save me



here ya go

www.abovetopsecret.com...

dood it is a cross time parallel through the energy pulse react of the mass of the volume of the entire universe...

mind choke 101

my name is stu

nice to meet you

please to be of aquantance

truth is love is hope



[edit on 28-11-2006 by sturod84]

Update...

I thought id post this as it may help in OBE's

Basically last night I became lucid when dreaming and the first thought that came into my head was to try and maintain this lucidity for as long as possible rather than exploring and ending up awakening.. so I kept focusing on one thing in my dream as much as possible without being distracted by other things and I have to say it really does work and I was aware that it was working at the time.

Ive read that focusing on your hands helps you stay lucid or should I say stay in your dream and not wake up and ive tried this and it works but who wants to become lucid and just stare at there hands? What I did was look at something in the distance and stare at it as much as possible sometimes slightly squinting my eyes but not too much as to wake myself up and id work my way towards it by flying/hovering. Once I got to it id then quickly look at something else and do the same but the trick is to not get distracted by anything else which can be hard sometimes. For example sometimes I become lucid and then someone who I used to go to school with will come up to me grabbing my shoulder wanting to fight and i'll get really frustrated and swear at them which then causes me to wake up.

So basically the next time I achieve an OBE im going to try and put this into practice... thats if I remember which more than likely I wont.

I was up way to early and was way to busy for my tastes......so later in the afternoon I choose to nap. I was after genuine sleep and not an 'out and about' experiance......but as I was on the verge, right on that edge of falling into sleep the sounds came......steady and strong, so I did a 'peel out' of myself just to see if I really could get out while doing the cleanse and sure nuff........I was out and bobbin around....but so VERY TIRED I was telling myself to go back inside myself and get some sleep....but it did not seem like I obeyed that thought command.........I can only describe the following memories as wild and crazy dreams so I will not even relate them. I wanted to be asleep and I hope I was.................

I did NOT wake up refreshed.....the phone woke me 3 hours later and I felt like I had been running some kind of marathon......so maybe I wasnt dreaming afterall.......


I would try and answer the above posters questions, but I am exausted, and my only REAL advise is to read this thread......for all the way through it are EXCELLANT suggestions and AMAZING tecniques I do not want to try and re-relate....so read this whole dang thread if you seriously are on 'the quest for OOBE knowledge' for you will be enchanted & inspired at what you will find therein......


Namaste



[edit on 3-12-2006 by theRiverGoddess]

Another OBE last night but once again its left me questioning if it was an OBE...

I'll try and keep this short as it feels like im typing exactly the same thing everytime but....

Basically I was able to move my other body parts slightly apart from my arms and hands which felt fully dead (like when your arm goes dead or your leg and you cant stop laughing when you start moving them)

I struggled to seperate but managed it and I headed through my door and onto the landing and floated downstairs. At this point I thought to myself 'try and get some sort of verification for when you wake up' so I looked at our carpet (which is plain dark blue) and looked for anything on the carpet which stands out and I noticed a few little bits of white near the corner like bits youd expect to come from white socks. I remembered where they where and willed myself to wake up which took a little longer than usual. When I woke up I went downstairs and looked at that part of the rug but the white bits that id seen wernt there at all.

Now heres what im wondering.. does this then make what I experienced simply a dream? does it make it a dream but being fully conscious of the projection? or something else? is it just a case of not letting your subconscious take over? probably so I think.