Dinosaurs- Are They Alive Today

As always excellent thread TheMythLives.

I agree wholeheartedly, there is so much going on around this planet who knows whats going on, on the surface and down below.

On a side note wasn't the lochness monster exposed as a fraud a few years back?

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Lochness photo exposed 1994



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How can something so big be so well hidden?

we can find a small spider in the middle of the Amazon jungle, but we can't find a massive TONS-big dinosaur?

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The "Surgeons Picture" was exposed as fake, the monster itself continued to be seen, although now there is speculation it might be dead.

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Thank you for the kind words. I have many articles related to Nessie of them saying it was a hoax. Here are some of those stories:

SkepticDictionary

Now the link above, those people do not take into account that Nessie sightings have been all around the lake. Most hoaxs only take place in one area, but Nessie takes place all over the lake and whats even more interesting is that people who have seen nessie have never had contact with eachother and a few of them did not even know about Nessie at the time. But then again it is a purely Skeptical website....

Or you can go to:

The Legend of Nessie

They are pretty decent in their information and tell you whats what and who's who.

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If Nessie is a surviving Mesozoic marine reptile, how and why did she (or rather her ancestors) decide a few thousand years ago to move to Loch Ness and then stay there? Odd behaviour surely? A lot more fish in the sea, for example.

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Well, this is true. These maps show:

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LINK

Loch Ness is located in the North of Scotland and is one of a series of interlinked lochs which run along the Great Glen. The Great Glen is a distinctive incision which runs across the country and represents a large geological fault zone. The interlinking was completed in the 19th century following the completion of the Caledonian Canal.

The Great Glen is more than 700 ft (213 m) deep and ice free. It is fed by the Oich and other streams and drained by the Ness to the Moray Firth. It forms part of the Caledonian Canal. By volume, Loch Ness is the largest freshwater lake in Great Britain.

Not to mention that the entire lakes caves and caverns have not yet been explored do to the sheer danger that it poses. So it is very possible for Nessie to be in the lake and not be found.

Chances are that Nessie either:

A) Got stuck here when the water was higher and then receded due to the ice age ending.

B) Nessie Can get OUT through the caves and caverns at the bottom of the lake.

A lot of possibilities.

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Originally posted by Essan
If Nessie is a surviving Mesozoic marine reptile, how and why did she (or rather her ancestors) decide a few thousand years ago to move to Loch Ness and then stay there? Odd behaviour surely? A lot more fish in the sea, for example.

Perhaps the same reason bull sharks do it, as well as crocodiles. Not odd behavior when you look at other large ocean predators who have the ability to cross over from salt to fresh water, and do so often. There are some pretty big fish in lakes and rivers, and probably not as much competition as in the open ocean.

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Compling a huge collection of pictures, statues and artifacts of dinosaurs that people of ancient times should not know, yet they continue to produce accurate representations of dinosaurs. I think all of you may enjoy this and I think it adds more mystery and questions of are Dinosaurs alive?

Some Dinosaurs may have survived the Extinction

Not so fast, says U.S. Geological Survey geologist emeritus James Fassett. A few years ago, Fassett’s colleagues were digging in a fossil-rich area of New Mexico when they uncovered the four-foot-long fossilized thighbone of a duck-billed, plant-eating hadrosaur in a sandstone cliff. When Fassett dated the bone to half a million years or so after the dinosaurs’ supposed mass extinction, most paleontologists dismissed his find as a meaningless anomaly or a mistake. Now Fassett has examined 30 more dinosaur fossils in the same rock formation and completed a more extensive analysis of the surrounding environment, taking into account paleomagnetism, fossil leaves, pollen, spores, and the geochemistry of the area. “There’s no longer any question that dinosaurs in the area survived the asteroid impact event, finally becoming extinct about a million years later,” he says.

There is no longer any question that they survived the asteroid impact! So why couldn't they survive? Why did he end the possibility with extinction a million years later. If they can survive an Asteroid I am pretty sure they could have found a way to live much, much longer than 1 million years after the event.

If Fassett is right, either a small group of dinosaur holdouts miraculously survived the catastrophe that killed their brethren, or possibly the K-T asteroid impact wasn’t nearly as deadly as some have claimed. The fossil record shows that lots of animals weathered the impact, including most mammals and birds, as well as lizards and amphibians. So why not some dinosaurs? “These dinosaurs could have survived in the Far North where the impact’s devastation was less, and then eventually they migrated back down south over time,” Fassett says. “Or it’s possible eggs may have survived the initial impact to hatch later and grow.”

May 1, 2009- The Telegraph

Dinosaurs survived extinction for another 500,000 years in a remote 'Lost World', scientists claim.

New evidence suggests an "isolated community" escaped annihilation and lived on a rocky, desert plateau in North America. Until now, palaeontologists widely believed the creatures were wiped out 65 million years ago when an asteroid collided with Earth. But now experts say a "pocket" of dinosaurs survived and roamed a remote area of what is now New Mexico and Colorado.

Carbon dating of newly-discovered bones in the San Juan Basin proves that these lived for another half-a-million years. The discovery, published this week in the journal Palaeontologia Electronica, has been hailed as one of the most important breakthroughs in palaeontology this century. It also brings Hollywood's 'Lost World' – Steven Spielberg's sequel to Jurassic Park – and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's 1912 novel of the same name, a step closer to reality.

The bones were discovered buried at Ojo Alamo, a soft sandstone valley deep in the remote San Juan Basin. A team of experts unearthed the bones, which included 34 from a single hadrosaur, and used carbon dating techniques to age them. According to the results, they were 500,000 years younger than any other dinosaur bones previously found.

Jim Fassett, author of the research of the US Geological Survey, said many would still doubt the discovery. He said: "The great difficulty with this hypothesis – that these are the remains of dinosaurs that survived – is ruling out the possibility that the bones date from before the extinction.

Yet more evidence that Dinsoaurs can still be around, this is huge.

LINK- Dinosaurs DID survive

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Brilliant stuff! Well done for all the research you've done.
I'm quite willing to believe in the Thunderbirds and that some regions of the Amazon may contain dinosaurs but I'm sorry to say, as someone who has been to Loch Ness dozens of times, that you won't find any reptiles in the Loch. If there were people around the Loch side would see telephone post like heads and necks sticking up from the water as they basked in the sunlight and breathed in the morning air. That's not to say that something big,20feet plus, doesn't live there. I think it's telling that most sightings of Nessis now talk about a huge humped back. The popular long necked serpent like reports faded away in the early eighties although there are still one or two which report this. These are usually put down to sightings of swans or grebes.

Evidence of Living Pterodactyls:

May, 1961, New York State - A businessman flying his private plane over the Hudson River Valley claimed that he was "buzzed" by a large flying creature that he said "looked more like a pterodactyl out of the prehistoric ages."

Early 1960s, California - A couple driving through Trinity National Forest reported seeing the silhouette of a giant "bird" that they estimated to have a wingspan of 14 feet. They later described it as resembling a pterodactyl.

January, 1976, Harlingen, Texas - Jackie Davis (14) and Tracey Lawson (11) reported seeing a "bird" on the ground that stood five feet tall, was dark in color with a bald head and a face like a gorilla's with a sharp, six-inch-long beak. A subsequent investigation by their parents uncovered tracks that had three toes and were eight inches across.

February, 1976, San Antonio, Texas - Three elementary school teachers saw what they described as a pterodactyl swooping low over their cars as they drove. They said its wingspan was between 15 and 20 feet. One of the teachers commented that it glided through the air on huge, bony wings - like a bat's.

September, 1982, Los Fresnos, Texas - An ambulance driver named James Thompson was stopped while driving on Highway 100 by his sighting of a "large birdlike object" flying low over the area. He described it as black or grayish with a rough texture, but no feathers. It had a five- to six-foot wingspan, a hump on the back of its head, and almost no neck at all. After consulting some books to identify the creature, he decided it most looked like a pterosaur.

And many others as we have seen from the videos and teh contributions of other members. And this bird (pterodactyl or Pterosaurs) Even attacked humans, which is what you expect a carnivore to do and what is told about in many stories.

In 1925, a native man was allegedly attacked by a creature that he identified as a pterosaur. This occurred near a swamp in Rhodesia (now Zambia) where the man suffered a large wound in his chest that he said was caused by the monster's long beak.

In the late 1980s, noted cryptozoologist Roy Mackal led an expedition into Namibia from which he had heard reports of a prehistoric-looking creature with a wingspan of up to 30 feet.

Of course creatures of many sizes exist, yet why do they all give reports of a pterodactyl-like creature? Seems like more than a coincidence.

If pterosaurs really died out with the dinosaurs and their fossil remains were not first discovered until 1784 (in Germany), then a depiction of one could not possibly exist in an ancient rock carving. Yet a pictograph found high on a cliff face near Thompson, Utah seems to show just that.

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And as the stories continue:

While many experts believe the drawing is of a bird, the beak, head prominence, wings and legs also look very much like those of a pterosaur.
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Another fascinating tale of a pterosaur literally coming out of stone dates back to 1856 in France. Workmen were digging through Jurassic-era limestone for a railway tunnel between the St.-Dizier and Nancy lines. When a large bolder of limestone was split open, the workers were astonished to see a large winged creature come stumbling out. They said it fluttered its wings, let out a croaking noise and then dropped dead at their feet. The creature had thick black, leathery skin, a beak full of sharp teeth, long talons for feet, and membrane-like wings that spanned 10 feet, 7 inches, by their measure.

The body of the creature was taken to the nearby town of Gray, according to the story, where it was identified as a pterodactyl by a student of paleontology. As reported in the Illustrated London News of February 9, 1856, the rock in which the creature had apparently been entombed for millions of years, contained a precise mold of its body.

Did Pterosaurs/Pterodactyls survive?

Originally posted by tobiascore
Reptiles are cold blooded. They don't show up on heat sensing equipment.

Yes they do!

Because heat is in relation to its surrounding.
Trees show up as well and there is no blood flowing inside them

It would be so damn cool if dinosaurs were still around today. The witness accounts are interesting but it's only evidence, no proof.

When I used to watch Jurassic Park as a kid I hoped that one day scientists would know how to bring the dinos back to life. Imagine playing golf and there is a stegosaurus on the fairway? More interesting than the chickens that roam the course near where I live...

Some people think we have moose living in Fiordland here in New Zealand. There have apparently been sightings and stuff like that, maybe some good evidence I don't know. Most of the terrain is inaccessible and it could well be possible for them to be there. Here's a pic or two of what the place looks like.





So maybe dinosaurs do exist in small pockets out there in the wild? I'd love to think so.

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Awesome photo and yes, its all evidence. Eventually and hopefully, proof will emerge, but not just proof, definative proof. I am still working on a major post gathering of a ton of evidence that will hopefully leave many and yourself wondering: If they are not alive today, when did they really die out??

Originally posted by dmorgan
Imagine playing golf and there is a stegosaurus on the fairway?

Not so sure I'd like that. Animals sometimes go off the deep end when people spook them, imagine being whacked with that tail, lol...they'd have to tranquilize it and pull you off the spikes...ouch.

The water serpent in Turkey:



and a very large snake, which could be very, very old for its size. Because as we all know too well, snakes NEVER STOP Growing. Perhaps this snake is a dinosaur.

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There is a swamp in africa or south america that is bigger than Minnesota. Only 20% has been explored. The natives to that area claim there is a long necked monster that's description is very much like a dinosaur. Some guys went to explore it but they said mosquitoes landed on them hourly by the 1000s. The Bible talks about "Behemoth" in the book of Job and says that this beast lives in swamps. The description of this beast is the same as a dinosaur although some have tried to explain it away as a hippo or elephant which does not work because Behemoth's tail is described as a cedar rather than a puny stick.

"Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feed on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God…" -Job 40:15-19 (NIV)

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Yep, we still have not yet searched every inch of the earth. I am certain that when we are able to search the rest of the earth, that we will find animals that only our imagination can think of. Its going to be wild.