Debate: Marshal Law-Will the troops open up on their own citizens?

The police would get overrun within hours. We are talking beyond large scale operation we are talking Extreme scale here. Lets take Orlando, FL for instance there is more crime than there are police to contain it all. Lets take the LA riots for example those lasted for 6 days. That is small scale, I can't even find a number on how many rioters there were. Imagine that going on across the whole country.

Now imagine place like NYC, its unfathomable of what would happen.

This question is for dooper, what do you think 72 hours all the troops stationed across the globe would be home back on American soil?

Then you have problems of gangs, looting, etc. then you have bubba's, jeeze just thinking about what would happen. Seriously, what do you think they are going to do, roll out foreign troops in small numbers into the streets of America? Please even the most idiotic person would know what is going on.

Seriously, the last thing any all powerful cabal wants is to send America into a disorganized mess they have no clue what would happen. Then as soon as our troops leave their posts across the globe mass chaos would breakout over seas. If they PTB sent America into turmoil the situation would quickly spin out of control across the whole globe.

Then there power structure would be threatened. Seriously do you think TPB(if they even exist) are the only sadistic narcissistic psychopaths on the planet? Man, there would be such a vacuum created by the loss of control that everybody would be trying to take over the world.

And I think some troops would fire on the citizens, but for the most part I believe if things get to the point, the military would have already rounded up the lemmings and dealt with them before they even touch down on American soil.

I don't think most of the military would fight American citizens, but I know for a fact that most police would be more than happy to, they are always just itching for a reason to shoot or taser someone. It doesn't matter though the plan is not to take the country by force they are doing it through the economy and legislation.

Well, the police were mighty hard to find during the chaos in Liberty City, the Los Angeles riots, and in New York.

In New Orleans, they participated or abandoned their jobs.

So, we're supposed to fear the police?

Not where I come from.

reply to post by dooper


Chances are the police would be thinking the same thing as everybody else, time to get the country back on track.

It's such a crazy situation, I can't imagine anybody wanting to do something like throw the most powerful country(I don't know for how long) into chaos unless they are like little kids and have the mentality of if they can't have it nobody can.

Just doesn't make any sense.

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

The way I see this going down eventually is some event. Engineered or accidental. One event will cause things to tip. To get out of control.

Large cities have large populations of . . . retards. Raging retards, and the only thing that keeps them from going completely berserk is that very thin, damn near transparent - veneer of law enforcement.

Upon the slightest pretense, riots can break out. But I fear this will not just be a local, isolated event. It will spread like wildfire.

No one will be able to control it. Because safety during transit will be out the window, transport will cease. Trucking will cease as the major cities are our hubs. Fuel, warehouses, communications, mail, highways, on and on.

Millions would be dead within a week. Consider diabetics. Millions of them, their medicine must be refrigerated, and most folks don't have a large long term supply. Millions would be dead within a month.

Now multiply this catastrophe a hundred times over.

No food shipments. No fuel. Electrical generation would quickly stop. And this would go on for months and months. Even when the destruction stops, predatory practices will continue.

No. The Police will be just like everyone else. Looking out for "me and mine." Military will be of similar mind. Looking out for family.

Oh, we'll get it back together, but not until there's been some serious fighting. And I fear it won't be anything like what we have now.

reply to post by dooper


It would be absolute chaos that is for sure. I'm glad I don't live in a major city. The mob mentality would run rampant.

Yea people would be looking out for them at first lots of fighting then eventually people would get hungry enough to band together and do something improve their situation.

I don't know crazy times are ahead. I just think some event engineered or not is going to achieve the affect that they want. Who knows.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

 

The way I see this going down eventually is some event. Engineered or accidental. One event will cause things to tip. To get out of control.

Large cities have large populations of . . . retards. Raging retards, and the only thing that keeps them from going completely berserk is that very thin, damn near transparent - veneer of law enforcement.

Upon the slightest pretense, riots can break out. But I fear this will not just be a local, isolated event. It will spread like wildfire.

No one will be able to control it. Because safety during transit will be out the window, transport will cease. Trucking will cease as the major cities are our hubs. Fuel, warehouses, communications, mail, highways, on and on.

Millions would be dead within a week. Consider diabetics. Millions of them, their medicine must be refrigerated, and most folks don't have a large long term supply. Millions would be dead within a month.

Now multiply this catastrophe a hundred times over.

No food shipments. No fuel. Electrical generation would quickly stop. And this would go on for months and months. Even when the destruction stops, predatory practices will continue.

No. The Police will be just like everyone else. Looking out for "me and mine." Military will be of similar mind. Looking out for family.

Oh, we'll get it back together, but not until there's been some serious fighting. And I fear it won't be anything like what we have now.

Now that is a nightmare scenario you just mentioned. Absolutely terrifying! How would any government quell that kind of mass hysteria? What would you advocate to bring about order out of the chaos mentioned above? I really have no idea?

That is complete degeneration of western civilization in one swoop.

reply to post by Jakes51


The recovery would be just as it has all through the history of man.

With literally millions and millions dead, occurring from disease, sickness, murder, and starvation, it would be a hell of a mess, and for a while.

Individuals and families who have made preparations would likely stay close to home and hole up. For weeks. Maybe in some areas for months.

In some areas, neighbors would band together to prevent roving predator groups from looting their food, women, and such.

It would take a while, but you'd see that good men would vastly outnumber the roving predator gangs, who would be decimated eventually.

Just good men bringing peace through required force.

Neighborhoods would coordinate and cooperate, and soon a township or town would be cleared and reorganized. Just like villages in times past.

Towns and townships would gradually join, enabling larger cities and counties to reestablish order. Counties would join to enable action by the State.

And then it gets a bit tricky.

I don't think individual states would ever return to a central government the power over the states again.

But to answer your question - it will take force to meet force - one home, one neighborhood, one township at a time.

Individuals, cooperating as groups, joining with other groups.

It's worked this way since time began.

Likely to work one more time.

Originally posted by Jakes51
Now that is a nightmare scenario you just mentioned. Absolutely terrifying! How would any government quell that kind of mass hysteria?

What if the population finds out that the government has been actively censoring the media since 9/11?

What if it becomes known that the government has known for the last 8 years that explosives did indeed bring down the north and south twin towers and building 7?

It would mean that the government has known that we have traitors amonst us.

Would mass hysteria break out, as anyone who has questioned 9/11, is quietly rounded up and wrongly branded as a traitor. Anyone who has questioned 9/11 is now probably a known threat to the Bilderbergers and their secret society lackys.

Would they get what they want?

Total chaos and a complete breakdown of society.

An excuse to declare martial law, round up known disidents and then brand all the surviving members of society, who do as thier told, with GPS chips.

They would win in one fell swoop. Total and complete control over the population and the destruction of the United States.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by In nothing we trust]

Perhaps whatever their plan is, involves such a massive depopulating event that there will not be quite so many people to quell?

Originally posted by mattifikation
Perhaps whatever their plan is, involves such a massive depopulating event that there will not be quite so many people to quell?

I'm sure of it.

A manufactured virus released upon the population where the elites are the only ones to receive vaccinations containing the real antidote. Perhaps they intend on giving placebo shots to the rest of the population or worse maybe they just intend on injecting any who will accept it a vaccination shot laced with a biological or nerve agent.

Whatever they have planned they are surely up to no good.


[edit on 31-5-2009 by In nothing we trust]

reply to post by kiwifoot


I don't understand the attraction. The video is a jumbled stop-motion of various enforcement officers crafted to make them look draconian, combined with some overly dramatic [but not uninteresting] metal.

I don't feel any less vulnerable after having seen that video. I think it's a reactionary bit of pure bullcrapery.

As to your OP question....... no, they won't fire on us. If "citizens" or those posing as such fire on the military, they will get their posteriors shot off. Otherwise, no..... the military won't fire on citizens without a presumption of threat. Of course, my opinion is posed towards U.S. military. I suspect that other nations' military would be similar.

The military isn't going to ring in the lockstep of the NWO. They are, at the end of the day, the primary barrier between the regular folk and the dictatorship.

Yes, I'm biased.

[edit on 31/5/09 by argentus]

I'm really just speculating. I'm not sure of anything except for one thing: Whenever "it" happens, we'll all be left standing there in the dark with our pants down... figuratively speaking.

They are really, really good at this crap... and we the people are notoriously bad at thwarting them. People keep saying the same thing, "There's not enough troops" or "there's not enough police" for them to win. I say bullocks, because whatever their plan is, it involves not needing all that many.

As Hitler rose to power, I wonder how many people in Germany dismissed the feasibility of his plans by saying "The troops will never turn on their own people?" or "He'll never have enough soldiers to defeat the opposition!"

History is full of lessons, most frightening of all is what a powerful few can do to a powerless many.

reply to post by mattifikation


Well, in the end Hitler didn't have enough troops to defeat the opposition. There are lots of variables in this situation.

There is no such that as controlled chaos. TPTB are human they make mistakes and they are making a huge mistake with whatever they have planned.

Besides there are a lot of people that will cut bait as soon as the road gets ruff. It isn't cut and dry there are lots of variables. Not to mention you have to figure in the fact that this Admin is ticking off the INS and all kinds of government agencies, how many people do they really have?

And yes they will need all of those people. Mob mentality will take over when chaos reigns. Nobody really know what will happen accept a lot of people dieing. The outcome is that most likely we will no longer be the United States of America, we will be little independent countries. Unless that is what they want. Which really doesn't benefit them in anyway because instead of taking over one country they have 50 other new countries to take over. Then when that happens we will probably end up the United States of America again.

The world will effectively have regressed back to the stone age only with computer age technology.

Yes they will open up against the citizens of The United States Of America because the powers that be will keep the military families hostage if they do not do as ordered.

I don't know much, but I know Washington wouldn't let a crisis go to waste.

There are many advantages that the state would ultimately reside in, especially in its authority over the people.

With over 300,000,000 and rising, crime is off the charts, prisons overflowing, drug addictions affecting every segment of society, individual fiscal responsibility wasted, government size and spending growing, IRS extortion, more recession more homeless, decline of morality in the media, decline of literacy and education, and (it's important to point out), decline of the traditional family....
Not to mention central banking, and how our citizens have been robbed!.
The dollar will soon lose the might it had and will no longer be the reserve currency (of the world). Inflation is inevitable. It WILL happen.
Once so, it will be a matter of weeks before riots occur.
Especially when there's no more $$ for welfare....and other gvt. programs.
There won't even be any money to pay the cops. Go figure.
The growth of the Federal Government has increased, and perhaps they are viewing the dangerous of our chemistry as a threat.
Martial Law is very possible, if say, another crisis were to occur.
And they wouldn't waste the opportunity, imo.

Now. To answer your question, will troops open up on their own citizens?

No. I don't think so.

I'm a veteran of the Army, and most of us (I would hope) are oath keepers, and main priority ironically would be in the interest of protecting our citizens.

First off, if just one shot was fired from our military upon its citizens, our army wouldn't stand a chance. It would be the most uncontrollable bloody revolution our country has ever seen.
It would be the suicide of our military. The war would never end either.
It's not about the possibility, but the capabiltiy.


Dooper, God Damn I love the way you think man.
If there was anyone who's side I wanted to fight by, it's someone like you.
Just good men bringing peace through required force.

Darn right.

I think it's what our country needs. A darn good and healthy revolution.
Heck, bloody. I'm sorry.

I think it's the only thing that will save our country from becoming part of some world government agenda.
NAU is seemingly real.
Our forefathers gave us the right to gain control back to the people if our government turned against its own people. If they turned their backs on us.
If we can't fight for it, then I'm sorry but we don't deserve it.
That's where I stand.

As for the possibility of foregin troops *firing* on our citizens, I don't think it's foolish at all. As a matter of fact I think it's quite likely, and possible.
There is evidence to suggest that infact, there have already been raids of "snatching guns" by foreign troops, (& ATF) here in the US.

There's a large foreign troop presence on our soil, TODAY.
As to how accurate the numbers are, it's been hard for me to determine.
I would give a rough estimate of 250,000.
Some of these troops are trained in urban warfare, on operational and tactical levels. And it's fair to say, they are capable of firing on US citizens.
I think if martial law goes in effect, and SHTF, and there's chaos across our cities, I could picture these troops policing our streets, under the umbrella of the UN.
Then, it's on.
The thought of joint command with US forces is definetaly a scary thought & concept. You have to consider, how else will the government gain control of its people, if things get really ugly?
Restore peace?



Be prepared. And act worthy of yourselves.




[edit on 1-6-2009 by Ben Niceknowinya]

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


True, Hitler was defeated. Fortunately, the time was not right for a one world government. Nor is it now. I think their move will be in the future, and I doubt it will be with this administration.

The reality of Hitler's defeat is one rallying cry we do have. Unfortunately, his reign showed that with enough brainwashing and propaganda, patriotic people will turn on their own countrymen and the results are disastrous for all. The entire world suffered because of Hitler's legacy. Imagine what puppetmasters could do with the United States.

I'm not saying we wouldn't win. I'm saying we'd get the crap kicked out of us in the process, and the military is not to be trusted. And just as with the fall of Hitler, when the smoke cleared TPTB would still be there plotting to try, try again.

reply to post by amari


I understand, as much as I'm able, your perspective. Perhaps you think that a threat to a member of the armed forces of firing upon citizens to save their families. I don't see it happening myself. A group that could threaten that against the military would find themselves up against a horde of armed and dangerous enemies.

The military is us. People. Certainly regulated and trained people, but just as you, me and everyone. It won't happen.

I'm going to give the OP what he wants and will continue to give the following answer whenever a post like this pops up.

If martial law happens I will fire on US civilans if ordered to. When martial law is implemented it is for your own good and those who get in my way will see the pointy end of my 5.56 mm round coming at them at a high rate of speed. We in the military are in on the NWO conspiracy. Once martial law has been succesfully implemented and all uncoopertive civilans have been taken care of we will be highly rewarded for our service.

Civilians should obey the soon to be new law of the land and surrender quitely. It is for your own protection. Resistance is futile.


Of course none of that is true, but it is probably the only thing most of you will accept as the truth.

reply to post by jd140


Just be aware that while you're aiming your .223, I'm liable to be glassing you with a .308.

I don't have to defeat any army - especially foreign army today. I'll carefully pick off one and scoot.

Maybe have to wait until tomorrow for another. By the end of the week, I'm still being patient. Now if I'm teamed up, we'll shoot, scoot, and get them to pursue. Just like we design.

In combat after squaring away all by weapons and tools, I'd pointedly look at the spider I had tattooed on my left forearm.

It reminded me that morning, that patience would be my guiding mind set. Patience and care.

You pick your spot, and your prey will come to you.