A Medieval UFO?

reply to post by karl 12


Thank you for posting your very interesting report, karl 12.

I have this mental image of Will Ferrell travelling across space or back in time like that, only to accidentally blow himself up

I must say, it's not often I see you quoting a "Nibiru" source.....

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Maybe it's getting late over there.....

I note the extract is from:

"Robyn Collins ‘Did Spacemen Colonise the Earth’ ©1974. Page 129"

Do you know much about that book?

Do you view it as a credible resource?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 25-1-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

There a few things everyone should keep in mind when dealing with this subject (one of them being that, while no expert in any area has all the answers to everything, it is wise not to dismiss decades, even centuries, of dedicated study by many fine minds).

First of all, artistic production was subject to stringent adherence to iconographic programs, which were fixed.
And it makes sense: painted (and sculpted) depictions of Christ's, Mary's or saints' lives were more than decoration - they were often the substitute of the written word (a sort of visual reminder for those who could not read of the biblical contents they heard through sermons, etc.), so they HAD to be consistent.

Byzantine art was especially "conservative" in that regard. Their iconographic programs hardly changed through the centuries.
(BTW, in most cases the churches and their decoration would have been commissioned by individual rulers, not by "the Church", which in this case would have been the Orthodox - not Catholic - church.)

Anyone interested in Byzantine iconography - and that's what this discussion is about - would do well to visit this page (which I may be also posting separately, to keep it convenient and handy):

Medieval Byzantine Painting

If there's anything you want to know about the subject you'll find it there.


P.S. The Nuremberg leaflet, which would probably be best kept separate in this discussion (because of the time, culture and nature of the material itself), in my opinion does represent something highly unusual. I don't think it can be satisfactorily explained with usual astronomical phenomena.








[edit on 25-1-2010 by Vanitas]

Any reports of finding ancient hot air balloons.
And ones with gold tapped on.
All that was gold in the ancient world was just painted on.
Same as now ancient UFOs might as well be balloons.
Except art does not give all the UFO details.
In fact I just posted art by a spotter and there was not much
to it except looking like a hairy bug.

That picure of the cross, the two heavenly chariots...One red/orange, one white/blue..
Makes me wonder.. Sure moon and sun sounds right.. But..

Myself has seen only white/silvery Ufos..(maybe a little blue in em aswell)
A friend, has seen only orange/reddish ones + the triangle..

Originally posted by Vanitas
P.S. The Nuremberg leaflet, which would probably be best kept separate in this discussion (because of the time, culture and nature of the material itself), in my opinion does represent something highly unusual. I don't think it can be satisfactorily explained with usual astronomical phenomena.

Vanitas, first of all thank you for the link to that very informative website: you are right, the Nuremberg case would desterve its own thread (actually, it has its own one):
UFO 'battle' over Nuremberg, Germany in 1561
also recently discussed here.
My bad, because i didn't say why i was showing it together with an unrelated case; the purpose was to illustrate the differences (especially the visual ones) between an artistic interpretation of an historical religious event, and the depiction of a real and unusual one: and i agree, it can't be explained in a satifactory way: since i'd assume that in the meantime all the witnesses of the event passed away, there are no chances to know more about it.

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Originally posted by silent thunder
Some of you may have seen this picture before...I find it very captivating. Its a detail from an illuminated medieval manuscript. It is supposed to be a member of one of the Angelic Orders, I believe, such as a Cherubim or Seraphim, etc. but I can't remember which one. It may be enclosed in a shooting star....or perhaps a spacecraft? You decide...
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The Images That Started It All
In 1964, the above images were “discovered” by art student Alexandar Paunovitch in a 16th-century fresco of the crucifixion of Christ, located on the wall of the Visoki Decani Monastery in Kosovo, Yugoslavia. The French
magazine Spoutnik printed them, and they have been featured in many books and web pages ever since as
“spaceships with a crew.”

While a layperson might be completely mystified by these suggestive images, a Medieval art historian would only need to know that they were located in the upper corners of a depiction of Christ’s crucifixionto identify them.

Many crucifixion paintings and mosaics done in the Byzantine style show the same odd “objects” on either side of the cross. They are the Sun and the Moon, often represented with a human face or figure, a common iconographic tradition in the art of the Middle Ages. James Hall, author of the Dictionary of Subjects
& Symbols In Art writes: “The sun and moon, one on each side of the cross, are a regular feature of Medieval crucifixion [paintings]. They survived into the early Renaissance but are seldom seen after the 15th century. Their origin is very ancient. It was the custom to represent the Sun and Moon in images of the pagan sun gods of
Persia and Greece, a practice that was carried over into Roman times on coins depicting the emperors. …[T]he sun is [sometimes represented as] simply a man’s bust with a radiant halo, the moon [as] a woman’s, with the crescent of Diana. Later they are reduced to two plain disks. The moon having a crescent within the circle, may be borne by angels. The sun appears on Christ’s right, the moon on his left.” The Sun and Moon are depicted as anything from a flat disk to a hollow comet-tailed ball. The figures within vary from a simple face to elaborate
depictions of Apollo and Diana in their chariots driving horses or oxen. The Sun and Moon are also featured on crucifixions painted by Dürer, Crivelli, Raphael, and Bramantino.
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For crucifixion paintings featuring the Sun and Moon, and more
examples of UFOs in art not covered in this article go to:
www.sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO.htm
THE ART OF IMAGINING UFOS 49

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Anyone notice that the moon ship pilot is looking backwards and firing a missle?

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The New Age position is that UFO tech and star wars go way back -- Vimanas in Hindu scriptures etc...

I love it when people bring up Ancient UFO arts. This is the stuff that really got me into believing in ET visiting earth. Kind of disappoint (and glad) that some of these arts have been debunked such as the Sun and the Moon one. But the Sky battle one is without a doubt representing ET.

Originally posted by silent thunder
Some of you may have seen this picture before...I find it very captivating. Its a detail from an illuminated medieval manuscript. It is supposed to be a member of one of the Angelic Orders, I believe, such as a Cherubim or Seraphim, etc. but I can't remember which one. It may be enclosed in a shooting star....or perhaps a spacecraft? You decide...
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It could be a comet and imagining that the "Gods" were in control of the celestial events, that belief continued still until recently.

The Noösphere (Some imaginative artists back in them days.)