Are 9/11 Official Story Proponents Really the Unpatriotic?

reply to post by GreenBicMan


Structural damage and unchecked fires, yes.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Wow, ok

I guess im done arguing with you then

reply to post by GreenBicMan


I take it you do not agree with FDNY as well then?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
And when they grab a kid, or a little old lady or a flight attendant and put the boxcutter to their throat...still going to be all macho are you? Absent a direct threat to your life...what gives YOU the right to decide if someone else lives or dies?

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Sacrificing a couple people to save the rest of the plane would be an appropriate action. If the whole plane is gonna go down and everybody dies anyway, you make a stand and do what you gotta do. But you would also try your hardest so that NO one is sacrificed.

[edit on 30-5-2009 by _BoneZ_]

reply to post by _BoneZ_


And the original point was, that prior to 9/11 in a hijack situation, people did not try to overpower the hijackers, because in hijackings, you sat still, shut up, endure a few miserable days and then were released...unless of course you were a Navy diver or your plane landed in Egypt where their commandos would storm the plane and kill the majority of the people on board.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Im not sure what that means, but if they said it fell b/c of the reasons you stated, I dont think I can agree with that, yes

reply to post by rhunter


Yeah funny how all the pieces of evidence that were supposed to have been involved in a flaming crash look so clean and untouched...


Oh look here's the feds running around planting it...


Why else would they be running around a crime scene with 'evidence' in their hands. It's a crime scene, they are corrupting the investigation by removing 'evidence' before any investigation was done, or even started.

Oh sorry yeah off topic I know, but hey I take me chances, I post on the edge.

[edit on 30-5-2009 by Wally Hope]

reply to post by GreenBicMan


Why wouldnt you agree with the men and women who were there and actually saw how badly damaged the building actually was?

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Why wouldnt I?

Please reference what you are referring to please.

reply to post by Wally Hope


You show a crumpled piece of airliner wreckage and say its untouched? Now thats classic....

Then you post a picture taken during the clean up and call it planting evidence...again classic....

reply to post by GreenBicMan


You are kidding right? You mention WTC7 and yet do not know that FDNY was saying all afternoon that 7 was going to fall because of the damage it had and that they were not going to attempt to enter and fight the fires?

reply to post by rhunter


Common sense tells you the FBI planted the evidences. Come on now that plastic box cutter could not have survived that plane crash, impossible Remember, the real culprits needed someone to blame, because there were no terrorists. They rounded up people who had nothing to do with 911 and framed them, tortured them, and forced them to sign statements the FBI typed up. Just like the box cutter that wouldn’t die, the magical passport that supposedly belonged to one of the hijackers was found sitting right on top of the WTC debris field!

I don’t buy into government lies. Some people do because it makes them feel safe. I have not seen any facts that support the OS. I have read the OS and the only facts the OS believers have is HEARSAY and I don’t call “hearsay” evidence. The truthers have more evidence, proven by science that is very creditable. You cannot apply science to the OS, it doesn’t hold water.

What I think is unpatriotic is blogging on ATS for many years supporting the OS that has now been proven a LIE. All the evidence that has been brought to ATS, and there is a mountain of it, is enough to prove every part of the 911 OS is phony. Lies, phony photos, phony airplane crash debris, phony witnesses, phony planted evidences, phony videos, all phony.

reply to post by impressme


Why wouldnt a boxcutter survive the crash?

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Show me the quotes if you would please.

Also, if you could reference a picture of WTC 7 and all the structural damage, as well as the fires.. if there is .. b/c i really don't know.. im not being "like that"

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

Why wouldnt a boxcutter survive the crash?

Because according to you two WTC buildings couldn’t.

reply to post by GreenBicMan


Lieutenant Rudy Weindler of Ladder Company 40

"we saw a fire starting to show at windows in 7 World Trade Center, decided to go in and try and see if there was anybody in the building and/or put out the fires, and we did a search from floor to floor of 7 World Trade Center passing fire on floors 3, 7, 9. The standpipes had no water. We tried to extinguish a few fires with cans. When we got to 11, there was just too much smoke and we decided that, without water, if we went any higher, we'd be on fool's mission. So we left 7 World Trade Center, back down to the street, where I ran into Chief Coloe from the 1st Division, Captain Varriale, Engine 24, and Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did."

Captain Robert Sohmer Ladder 85

As the day went on they started worrying about 7 World Trade Center collapsing and they ordered an evacuation from that area so at that time, we left the area with the other companies, went back to the command post on Broadway, where we were instructed, they were looking for companies to go to the west side to operate on the bridges, to cut members out that they had confirmed were pinned and trapped under the bridges on the west side. A Battalion Chief was assigned to us. We took our apparatus to West Street to the north bridge, on that side over there, where we began to operate. We had identified different members who were deceased and trapped in rigs. We were about to proceed our operation there and this was in the afternoon, I would say approximately maybe 2:00 roughly, where we started to operate and then they asked us to fall back again due to the potential of 7 World Trade Center collapsing."

FDNY Captain Ray Goldback:

"I'm going to guess it was after 3:00...we walked all the way back down to Vesey Street. There was a big discussion going on at that point about pulling all of our units out of 7 World Trade Center. Chief Nigro didn't feel it was worth taking the slightest chance of somebody else getting injured. So at that point we made a decision to take all of our units out of 7 World Trade Center because there was a potential for collapse

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden:

"By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse."

debunk911myths.org...

reply to post by GreenBicMan


Lieutenant Rudy Weindler of Ladder Company 40

"we saw a fire starting to show at windows in 7 World Trade Center, decided to go in and try and see if there was anybody in the building and/or put out the fires, and we did a search from floor to floor of 7 World Trade Center passing fire on floors 3, 7, 9. The standpipes had no water. We tried to extinguish a few fires with cans. When we got to 11, there was just too much smoke and we decided that, without water, if we went any higher, we'd be on fool's mission. So we left 7 World Trade Center, back down to the street, where I ran into Chief Coloe from the 1st Division, Captain Varriale, Engine 24, and Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did."

Captain Robert Sohmer Ladder 85

As the day went on they started worrying about 7 World Trade Center collapsing and they ordered an evacuation from that area so at that time, we left the area with the other companies, went back to the command post on Broadway, where we were instructed, they were looking for companies to go to the west side to operate on the bridges, to cut members out that they had confirmed were pinned and trapped under the bridges on the west side. A Battalion Chief was assigned to us. We took our apparatus to West Street to the north bridge, on that side over there, where we began to operate. We had identified different members who were deceased and trapped in rigs. We were about to proceed our operation there and this was in the afternoon, I would say approximately maybe 2:00 roughly, where we started to operate and then they asked us to fall back again due to the potential of 7 World Trade Center collapsing."

FDNY Captain Ray Goldback:

"I'm going to guess it was after 3:00...we walked all the way back down to Vesey Street. There was a big discussion going on at that point about pulling all of our units out of 7 World Trade Center. Chief Nigro didn't feel it was worth taking the slightest chance of somebody else getting injured. So at that point we made a decision to take all of our units out of 7 World Trade Center because there was a potential for collapse

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden:

"By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse."

debunk911myths.org...

reply to post by impressme


Comparing apples to oranges....yet again.......

Buildings subjected to heavy damage and uncontrolled fires are far different from a boxcutter.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


So basically these quotes are saying it collapsed b/c of fire, is this correct?


EDIT: and what is a "bulge" referred to in one of the quotes




[edit on 30-5-2009 by GreenBicMan]

reply to post by GreenBicMan


Damage and fire. The bulge was the building starting to give