Warning- Bond Dislocation in Progress

reply to post by GreenBicMan


I think you may have mistaken what I said there.

He has referenced all of those books, or I have cross-referenced all of those with my knowledge.

reply to post by finemanm


IMO Big Ben runs this country just as much/more so than obama..

-and he is a better smooth talker if that is possible, especially when big money is listening

I am not an obama fan, but he does speak well, cant deny that, he is what George Bush wasn't in that category thats for sure

Im one of the "very few" that thinks Uncle Ben will lead us out of this

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Oh, ok I get what you are saying..

That is quite a library nonetheless lol..

I have ADHD, so unless I have a high dose of medicine its hard for me to get through all that lol!

EDIT: sorry didnt want to get off topic there, but bond dislocation etc. is very much over my head

[edit on 27-5-2009 by GreenBicMan]

KDs recent vlog on this subject

The wheel is turning but the hampster is dead, folks. This is "the big one."

I'm headed out the door to the all-night psychiatrist's place. He has a very special, limited clientelle that gets the 24-hour treatment. It's nice to be special.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to [censored by ATS].

[ouch, nervous fingers make for double posts...]

[edit on 5/28/09 by silent thunder]

Please don't flame - but I was told all this was happening simply to bring about a One World Monetary system. He said something along the lines of the U.S dollar, which is what the world trades in/deals in, has to go in order to bring about the change in systems.

I have not much of an idea when it comes to finance other than I personally have no debt. But is there any truth to his view that the U.S dollar must be devalued/done away with, in order to bring about a new financial system?

And if so, is what this thread is about a part of that?

Cheers.

this is...

i dont know what this is....

i have no economic background but it looks like the SHTF..

Question for people who have a better economic education...

WILL WE EVER GET OUT OF THIS MESS!?

So is this what all the hype over N.Korea is to distract you from I wonder. If we're scared and worried over a bogeyman we're less likely to cause a furore over this.

reply to post by irishchic


Damn where is this party!
Its my last day of work tomorrow.
So i can slip and slide and drink ALL day long!
Are we going to have a barbeque?

I appreciate every ones comments, especially after taking three ativan and a good stiff drink. Hell, I'm starting to have fond thoughts about my mother in law. In summation to all that is happening in this financially destroyed world we live on is to say that greed and lust for power has know boundaries. These are especailly evil times and it would seem that what is/was right and good (I vaguely remember) has been lost for reasons I still can not understand. What really matters in life has been traded in for something very nasty and ugly. Well the ativan is wearing off so my mother in law can continue with her constipated life.

Originally posted by gaslaugh123
I appreciate every ones comments, especially after taking three ativan and a good stiff drink. Hell, I'm starting to have fond thoughts about my mother in law. In summation to all that is happening in this financially destroyed world we live on is to say that greed and lust for power has know boundaries. These are especailly evil times and it would seem that what is/was right and good (I vaguely remember) has been lost for reasons I still can not understand. What really matters in life has been traded in for something very nasty and ugly. Well the ativan is wearing off so my mother in law can continue with her constipated life.

People, scroll back and watch Denninger's vblog that Plucky posted (thank you PN)...yes, there will be further economic pain...that is inevitable...we will survive this, though....we will....and when we come out the other side of this, we must ensure that NOBODY has the power to do this again...please study these concepts to the best of your ability...the only way "they" were allowed to do this to us is because of our own laziness and lack of attention and vigilance...educate yourself and get vigilant!!

ok, dont mind me, im not into economics, but, i was on marketwatch.com and well i read this.

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- U.S. stock market futures pointed higher Thursday ahead of the latest figures on new home sales and durable-goods orders.

S&P 500 futures rose 3.80 points at 896.30 and Nasdaq 100 futures gained 6.50 points at 1,410.50. Dow Jones Industrial Average futures rose 41 points. U.S. markets closed sharply lower on Wednesday after a drop in prices of U.S. Treasury securities fueled further economic worries, pushing down shares in industrial companies and banks. Economic data due for release Thursday includes April durable-goods orders and the latest jobless claims figures, both scheduled for 8:30 a.m. Eastern time. The latest figures on new home sales will be released after the market opens.

They are calling for a high opening today. Ummm what am i missing?

reply to post by ugie1028


Well, there is another Treasuries auction today for the 7 year...if that bombs...look out...

Again, look at the action on the bond market...that tells the real future of the equities market....

Want a simple explanation as to why this happening?

This is what happens when you, in the blink of an eye, pump enormous amounts of money - $800+B that you don't have - into an economy without taking care of the people that actually run the ecomony - the people.

In other words, they can discount prices, reduce mortgage rates, etc., but as long as THE PEOPLE are still losing their jobs, using credit cards with rising interest rates and ridiculous fees, in order to survive -- it's all a big mudslide waiting to go. These bonds represent that last bit of scrambling the gov't can do in order to simply stay afloat.

Didn't anyone else listen when the other world leaders scoffed at Obama's plan for the ecomony? He had $800B at his disposal - thanks to the American people since it comes out of our taxes - and what did the American people get in return? $250. That's a couple weeks of groceries. Whoopee.

If he had taken HALF of the bailout money, split it up amongst ALL tax payers, stipulated that the money had to be spent (this can be policed as well as the rest of his "investments" - he only needed another czar) on any of the following:

downpayment on a house or car, renovations to a house to recover some of the money we all lost in a down-turned housing market, pay down CREDIT CARD DEBT or other bank-held debt, and/or college tuition...

Now THAT would have made a difference. The banks would have recovered a substantial amount of consumer debt, people would have been increasing the value of their homes and/or purchasing new ones, car sales would have gone up and helped out the auto market....etc.

For anyone interested, it would have given approx. $3500 per household if simply divided evenly. That would probably have been enough for at least some people to hold onto their homes.

Originally posted by RolandBrichter
reply to post by ugie1028

 

Well, there is another Treasuries auction today for the 7 year...if that bombs...look out...

Again, look at the action on the bond market...that tells the real future of the equities market....

Well that doesn't sound good...

How bad would it be if the dam breaks though? what would we see? what would happen to prices and stuff? interest rates and what-not. im still learnenenening heres

OK WHERES THAT PARTY AT I MIGHT BE JOINING YOU GUYS SOON!

[edit on 5/28/2009 by ugie1028]

Time traded for Money.

Was it all worth the time you spent trying to make it and save it?

You see time is all we perceive we have here on earth, so where did you spend your time?

Or did you balance your life and do things that matter in the whole grand scheme of things? It's ok if you didn't, lessons learned that hurt are ok to.

What is really hurt our Ego's? Just remember you are not your Ego, that is something that is built from birth, whatever you think you become.

It's not about right or wrong, it's about seeing what works and what doesn't not.

People are starting to see.

What good is Monopoly if the rules are set by only a few, yes everyone chose to play by their rules, but many people are seeing that they can't win, ever, so what's the point?

Just like everyone is saying have some damn fun for a change, live a little.

[edit on 28-5-2009 by Realtruth]

If you have no bills I don't see how this will really affect anyone in that boat.

If you have no bills chances are you'll be able to afford what most people can't due to their bills and high interest rates.

I only mention it because I've been trying to see how seriously it would affect myself and seeing as how I could afford a price of 20.00 a gallon if say gas went that high and still easily support myself I really don't see how it would affect me.

Would I pay that? No it's just as easy to ride a bike or walk and on top of it I would save even more for not having to have car insurance.

I would highly suggest anyone that can get out of debt and you should be fine no matter the outcome. If anything I see a lot of potential for individuals to advance or even start political careers if everything did come crashing down.

There's always a silver lining it's just a matter of who can see it and take advantage of the situation. I said the situation not the people. There would be a lot to be had if this did all come to pass.

Party is at my place. We have a slip n' slide, a ton of alcohol and all you can eat buffalo wings! Extra spicy so you dont have to think about the pain your ass is feeling right now, for obvious reasons.

We also have a dedicated "cry corner" go there we'll leave you alone.


hmm seems the cry corner is full right now...

reply to post by RolandBrichter


Well - those hold silver and gold, and no debt are pretty much ok.

My local stock market banned short selling 6 months ago - or I would go in short on my favorite insurance companies right now - shame I can't.

It was BS from the start - it was a calculated grab at real estate, and it continues to hit the required agenda - dissolution of the middle class, rape of real estate and poverty in America.

You needed to take your guns to the govt about 2 or 3 months ago - not much can save it now. People who have to line up for food aren't going to be effectively fighting anyone.

[edit on 28-5-2009 by Amagnon]