N. Korea: No longer bound by 1953 truce

isnt that just wonderful. . . . the north koreans threatening the south. . . . .

if they make a single military action against the south we'll be in the korean war II without a doubt. . . .

America wont just stand by and let others handle their own business. . .

return to isolationism can i have it please

reply to post by constantwonder


This thread is seriously lacking in facts. There has to be a minimum of 6 posts about how:

1. The US is provoking NK.
2. Here goes the US again killing people and taking over everything.

Give me a freaking break. Our president is writing memos while little big man Kimmy is launching rockets and testing nukes!!

Short of Obama announcing that he's going on vacation for awhile and taking a nap -- how much LESS would you like us to do?

**But here's the kicker: NK will shoot off a rocket, kill a bunch of people, and every single person will shout:

Where the hell was the US and why didn't they stop it?

[edit on 27-5-2009 by lpowell0627]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Our men are worn out. Stressed beyond any reasonable expectation. In combat, every week you are wounded in one manner or the other.

Those wounds that bleed are the easy ones. You can see those.

A small part of you dies each day. Even Alexander's men, flush with victory after victory, personally and individually rich beyond any in the realm, finally were worn completely out.

Anyone who's ever read any of my works will understand why we are doing our men so very wrong.

If you have to go to war, then you do so with everything you have, you kill them as quickly as you can, and then, THEN you bring them home.

You plan your fight for three months. Given the fog of war, you'll likely end up doing six.

Anything over twelve months, and your plan is ****, your leadership is ****, and you need to flush the effort and come home.

You don't use them as peacekeepers, nation-builders, regional designated targets, or policemen.

You bring them HOME.

Just on a slightly less serious note
Is this safe lol?



I think not...

Too a more serious note
We dont need another war what do we ever get out of it?
But dont you get that feeling that Kimi is slightly like Hitler.

His slightly gone in the head (Tick)
Very threatning (Tick)
Doesn't abide by the rule book (Tick)
Nucular weapons (Tick)
Relative of Hitler (DNA testing under way)

I have one question if a war broke out would Great Britan get involved?

You know the best thing about ATS, it's all the experts!

Many people on here post like they are experts on the subject.
Most people are not, all I'm seeing is dreams and made up stories.

Perhaps a good start for everyone would be

History of Korea

and

Division of Korea

I also can't understand why so many people are so keen on the death and suffering of other people? They have loved ones and families just like you.

IF this situation escalates anymore it could get ugly...the north and south are still in a state of war. “Legally” anyway. If this comes to blows on either side it will not stay conventional for long! The USA has about 28500 troops in the south, which would be a primary target! If they are hit Obama has no choice but to go Nuclear there are contingencies for this very situation. I pray cooler heads prevail like usual, but who knows what a dying Kim is willing to risk!! “pray for peace!

What we have is a conditioned response.

Kim Jung Il is a spoiled infant. When he doesnt get the attention he craves, he throws a temper tantrum.

We in the west try to apply adult reasoning to this infantile regime. Instead of ignoring him (or giving him something real to cry about), we rush in and accede to his wishes. We have created this situation through our utterly predictable response pattern.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Our men are worn out. Stressed beyond any reasonable expectation. In combat, every week you are wounded in one manner or the other.

Those wounds that bleed are the easy ones. You can see those.

A small part of you dies each day. Even Alexander's men, flush with victory after victory, personally and individually rich beyond any in the realm, finally were worn completely out.

Anyone who's ever read any of my works will understand why we are doing our men so very wrong.

If you have to go to war, then you do so with everything you have, you kill them as quickly as you can, and then, THEN you bring them home.

You plan your fight for three months. Given the fog of war, you'll likely end up doing six.

Anything over twelve months, and your plan is ****, your leadership is ****, and you need to flush the effort and come home.

You don't use them as peacekeepers, nation-builders, regional designated targets, or policemen.

You bring them HOME.

Well, said friend Dooper, they need to get a real strategy in place and get some fresh troops recruited one way or another and take better care of these brave men and women.

They are happy to give it, but we are asking to much of them.

I hope this changes somehow and soon.

I know this may seem far out and it is a blog from Hal Turner, but he has been right many times. The scenario is not that far out there really.

turnerradionetwork.blogspot.com...

Washington, DC (TRN) -- North Korea yesterday withdrew from the Armistice that halted the Korean War. Today, official Washington is abuzz with not so secret "Top Secret" plans for the United States to make a limited nuclear first strike to wipe out the North Korean threat in one fell swoop. Russia has been alerted to "make plans" for radiation fallout in its eastern border area. In consultations with China, the U.S. Ambassador to Beijing was said to be stunned when he was told by the Chinese government "Kim Jung Il is out of control and dangerous. He has become a serious liability for China. Do what must be done, but please do it in a manner that minimizes risk to China." China was then briefed about US plans and asked to prepare its southern population areas for radiation fallout. It is expected that prevailing weather patterns will disperse fallout over the sea, causing it to thin out dramatically before moving over land. Worst development since World War 2 Our source in the State Department explained today why this situation got so bad, so fast. "The Korean War legally never ended." he said. "There is no peace treaty, there is only an Armistice, a formal cease-fire. When North Korea officially withdrew from the Armistice yesterday, it automatically brought us back into a hot war. "he continued. Speaking on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media, the high ranking state department source told Turner Radio Network (TRN):

reply to post by kyred


It's not war WE want.

What you don't get is that this is innevitable. Not today maybe, not tommorrow, but every day it is postphoned the people who do want it are growing stronger.

People said much the same as you did about not tangling with Hitler in 1939 in England and through 1940-41 in USA.

It didn't prevent war by not responding. It just gave Hitler the time he needed to become more dangerous. That delay cost lives in the end.

Okay we will play it your way and sit on our hands, but a firm response now will be easier than waiting until we have no other choice.

Originally posted by Reading
reply to post by Oldnslo

 

God i hate the team america attitude, policing the world hasnt really worked out for you guys so far what make's this any different?

These sub's aint gonna be firing nothing sorry to dissapoint you

Believe me, I won't be disappointed. These subs are meant to keep the former Soviet Union and China in their respective corners, along with their little cousins (NK). When they unload their complement of arms, its time to say "Good Night Irene".

Regarding "i hate the team america attitude", why don't you and yours take it over for a while. Let's hear your plan and see how it works out for you. Maybe a kinder, gentler approach will work. Good luck.

I just don't get NK. logic . We will go months , and yes some times years without hearing anything from them , then which seems out of the blue , we will hear about NK's saber rattling . Are NK's escapades provoked by there desire to get more aid , or there insecurity at wanting international recognition ?

It seems to me that there could be other factors taking place , which we will never hear about that lead to little ill's temper tantrums .

I just don't get NK. logic . We will go months , and yes some times years without hearing anything from them , then which seems out of the blue , we will hear about NK's saber rattling . Are NK's escapades provoked by there desire to get more aid , or there insecurity at wanting international recognition ?

It seems to me that there could be other factors taking place , which we will never hear about that lead to little ill's temper tantrums .

Originally posted by angel999
I bet Obama is on the phone right now to Team America.....Put the F back in freedom.....F yeah!

On a more serious note......How many years do you think the NKs have been prepared for an event such as this?
We have a tech advantage and experienced troops but my thoughts are that the NK troops have a greater advantage with local knowledge and troop numbers! More than likely lots of bunkers everywhere etc! We couldnt do it in the 50s so what are our chances now? Yeah the Chinesse did help first time round but would they intervene now?
So many questions but not enough answers

We have still not defeated insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban seem to grow in numbers every day!

China step in to help North Korea against American troops. Sounds like an economic death wish considering we are the biggest consumner of Chinese products.

North Korea won't be alone, I mean really, who like America these days.

Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by constantwonder

 

This thread is seriously lacking in facts. There has to be a minimum of 6 posts about how:

1. The US is provoking NK.
2. Here goes the US again killing people and taking over everything.

Give me a freaking break. Our president is writing memos while little big man Kimmy is launching rockets and testing nukes!!

Short of Obama announcing that he's going on vacation for awhile and taking a nap -- how much LESS would you like us to do?

**But here's the kicker: NK will shoot off a rocket, kill a bunch of people, and every single person will shout:

Where the hell was the US and why didn't they stop it?

[edit on 27-5-2009 by lpowell0627]

at least thats what they will shout till we get involved. . . . then it will be usa ignores hman rights usa has no business in korea the usa is the real bad guy

anyway you shake the bones the USA gets # on

reply to post by Max_TO


The timing of this and how it is being tied also into Iran and Iran even to Venezuala just looks to me like one duck is feeding the other. Of course the ducks aren't really the ones with the shot guns, the duck hunters are.

This whole thing to me looks like staged theartre with each single ellement as they are tied together in the press and by the politicians with each other single ellement, makes then each ellement look far more threatening than it is.

I don't believe that will stop people from fighting and dieing over it, but to me there are just to many handy coincidences that justify an agenda the politicians domestically and abroad and the media have been pushing for well over a year now.

Originally posted by lightchild
You know the best thing about ATS, it's all the experts!

Many people on here post like they are experts on the subject.
Most people are not, all I'm seeing is dreams and made up stories.

Perhaps a good start for everyone would be

History of Korea

and

Division of Korea

I also can't understand why so many people are so keen on the death and suffering of other people? They have loved ones and families just like you.

Thanks lightchild for some quality links and superb additions to the thread.

It's the children of the light that are supposed to be training this rag tag group into experts...

You are doing an excellent job. I enjoyed reading your links.

Thanks again.

I think Dooper made the best points here:

Il-Jong is crazy. He would try to take over the world if he had the chance. People should also never estimate how dangerous such a country as North Korea actually can be 'cause they are so organized. It is also true that NK is getting stronger by the minute while the west hesitates.

The mid-east hostile forces are really unorganized, simple fighters. But this is a real threat, not unlike nazi Germany. I agree the quicker WE act the smaller the risk.

I'm all in with wiping out these regimes off the face of the planet, 'cause there will be no peace until it is done. New ones will come for sure, but for now..

Technically, there never was an official peace treaty signed in Korea, only a cease fire so no new declaration of war is needed for either side to renew hostilities. If it comes to a shooting war again, it will be interesting to see if the old alliances from the 50's will still hold. Europe, the US and China could all be drawn back into it because of treaties signed with the people of the south (or north in the case of China) 50+ years ago when hostilities first broke out. It will also be interesting to see if Taiwan throws in with South Korea or if China tries to take advantage of the situation by invading Taiwan, and does Japan violate it's pledge to have only a defensive military? There are many complications in the region that could put us all between a rock and a hard place.

[edit on 27-5-2009 by animekenji]

Originally posted by constantwonder

Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by constantwonder

 

This thread is seriously lacking in facts. There has to be a minimum of 6 posts about how:

1. The US is provoking NK.
2. Here goes the US again killing people and taking over everything.

Give me a freaking break. Our president is writing memos while little big man Kimmy is launching rockets and testing nukes!!

Short of Obama announcing that he's going on vacation for awhile and taking a nap -- how much LESS would you like us to do?

**But here's the kicker: NK will shoot off a rocket, kill a bunch of people, and every single person will shout:

Where the hell was the US and why didn't they stop it?

[edit on 27-5-2009 by lpowell0627]

at least thats what they will shout till we get involved. . . . then it will be usa ignores hman rights usa has no business in korea the usa is the real bad guy

anyway you shake the bones the USA gets # on

Actually I think there might be one slight problem here in this assessment.

It's true that the North Koreans are testing nuclear weapons and missiles.

In their own country they are testing nuclear weapons and missiles.

Obama is not writing memos.

Obama is the Commander in Cheif of a very actively engaged U.S. Military that isn't conducting tests in Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan but is firing very live munitions and at very alive people who are not American's and in a place that is not America.

Certainly North Koreas acts are provocative but it isn't North Korea or Kim Jung II currently using it's military in hostile ways against other people.

It's my country and my President that is doing that.