N. Korea: No longer bound by 1953 truce

Things have been tense on the Korean Penninsula agin for the last 16 years. Each year the North Koreans get right up to the line, and then edged off. They have done this time in and time out. It is not surprising that they'd do this now, especially after that vry important South Korean politician committed suicide. This is their way of helping to destabilize South Korea in order to take advantage of the situation even further. If it works and then South Korea starts to crumble, it's allies in South Korea's Communist Party might stage a coup attempt and then ask North Kores to recognize them as the legitimate Government of South Korea. If that happens, and North Korea recognizes it, they will then invade the South and eventually try to absorb the south into the North, thus unifying it under a regime headed in Pyonyang. There will be hard fighting. And U.S. forces will put up a fierce fight, as will some of the South Korean military units. But if they fail to defend South Korea successfully, then North Koreas goal of uniting the Korean Penninsula under a communist regime will succeed.

I see war on the horizon. It's a lot like Dooper said, there is nothing else to talk about. It is time for action.

Well the UN decides they are going to search ships, NK just said they are back at war. I'd almost bet the house that if we search one of the NK ships a barrage of artillery is going to come raining down on Seoul.

The problem is that it doesn't take to many missile test to perfect a missile. Unlike most problems in the world they have been down playing the NK issue. It works out well for Obama though when you really get down to it.

Obama gets his draft and gets to use all those emergency war time powers set up by Bush, and a very convenient excuse to renege on those campaign promises. WWIII is going to happen sooner or later. I don't want it to happen, but its going to short of some stunning revelation in the next few months.

Although we already missed the opportunity to nip this in the butt 50 years ago.

Seems to me the thing we have to watch for is China's response to this? if China backs North Korea then things could start to kick off, but if they don't then no doubt they will start to back down?

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I don't know, the other scenario is that if China doesn't back NK - NK could feel like they have nothing else left to lose and go ahead with a massive strike.

I do know one thing this is going to set a precedent on why not every country should be allowed to develop nuclear technology. On another note, supposedly NK just started back up one of its reactors.

This should have been addressed a few years ago when we first knew of them testing nuclear devices. Bush was on a rampage looking for WMDs in Iraq, and North Korea fires a nuke and everyone ignored it like it didn't happen.

I'm a tad bit reiled up after watching C-Span, brookings institute with Eagleburger from the Bush administration 1992 who at the closing remarked he gave this administration one year before the missiles fly between North Korea
and the USA (wed, 5-27-09)

The simplest solution would be to call upon the best remote viewers to unite in a group to surround KIM with love ... nothing works better

Here's my two cents on the subject.

North Korea could look at it this way. The US is strained militarily and financially but would move to defend SK and Japan, expanding more resources and money. I could see NK looking at this as a failed exploit militarily, but a substantial victory that the world would turn against the US. Thousands if not millions of Koreans would lose their lives in such a conflict which would serve two purposes for NK.

First, it would reduce their population which is already strained to feed and second, they would be the puppet to ostracize the US from the remaining part of the world.

Expect events to escalate in the VERY near future.

If there are massive American casualties and Seoul gets flattened by artillery, It would not surprise me if Nukes get used. America conventional army is too thin from being in Iraq and Afghanistan for so long.

9/11 sent the Americans into a tizzy, imagine if they lost 10,000 troops on the front lines of South Korea.

They would have no choice, but to send the strongest of messages.
What a mess, if this happens.

[edit on 27-5-2009 by Blue_Jay33]

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I would disagree. The only nukes that would be used would be tactical nukes. Extremely low yielding from artillary. We would never use an ICBM unless a full scale nuke attack took place and even then, I'm not sure we would considering we could destroy a large percentage.

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War is in nobody's interest. Seoul is 56 miles from 10,000 North Korean artillery barriers along the border. Analysts predict the North could literally eradicate Seoul in three days.

This is something that I fear the TV armchair warriors who have been watching nearly 2 decades of sanitized network news presentations of war from a fairly esoteric standpoint don't quite get.

It would be a humanitarian catastrophe if the staggering amount of weapons concentrated in this area of the planet all started firing at one another.

Announce that the US is "giving" Japan a few thousand nuclear tipped rockets, bombs, and cruise missiles to counter the North Korean threat.

China would be shaking like a dog ****ing a peach pit.

They still fear the Japanese.

So we do what China does. We enable our clients to defend themselves. So if the balloon goes up, China will suffer just like everyone else.

Puts a new twist on things.

Next, just as prior to WWII, do a lend/lease of three B2 bombers, and several Air Refueling Tankers to Israel, and state clearly that this is to enable a defense against pending Iranian nukes.

This is really going to go over well with the Iranian people.

We better get smart, and get smart fast.

We're playing checkers, and everyone else is playing chess.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
If there are massive American casualties and Seoul gets flattened by artillery, It would not surprise me if Nukes get used. America conventional army is too thin from being in Iraq and Afghanistan for so long.

9/11 sent the Americans into a tizzy, imagine if they lost 10,000 troops on the front lines of South Korea.

They would have no choice, but to send the strongest of messages.
What a mess, if this happens.

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I don't think many people have the real grasp that N. Korea has been digging in and entrenching and fortifying it's positions for 56 years in a war that in fact never ended. This is not just the Iraqis on an open dessert plain whose whose armies and equipment has been eroded from 23 years of war.

This is an army of over a million men drilling for what they know will be an all out battle to the death of staggering proportions should it ever come.

I was hoping to start a new thread- but im a new user!
Its linked with this though,
I was wondering if someone could enlighten me on whether North Korea has any links with the NWO/Illuminati Conspiracies, and whether it is a part of the NWO agenda? I suppose you'd have to look into Kim Il Sung's relationship with Stalin and the Soviet Union- but if anyone has any interesting facts about the startlingly different nation, it would be great to hear them!

It would not surprise me if the US used another type of new weapon on the North Korean artillery. It needs to die fast and hard if a conflict starts up, or Seoul is dead.

Chemical weapons, biological weapons, mini-nukes, enhanced next gen MOAB's

I would not want to be a solider manning those artillery pieces in North Korea, I imagine there life expectancy is the shortest of all in any conflict that happens.

And by all mean let the Japanese off any leash either that was imposed on them or they continue to impose on themselves, they need to step up.

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That is the kind of attitude that leads to WWs. If you recall the US had that same mentality just prior to WWII. Where did that lead your country?
I'll tell you..... It left you vulnerable to suprise attackes and left your allies holding the bag until you guys came to your senses.

Think on that!

The cancellation of the truce is only symbolic - it has little actual impact on the stance of North Korea towards South Korea. Technically the two are still at war since the 50's. It is not like this truce would have prevent an outbreak of war during the last few years or in the tense situation of the 90's.

Originally posted by dooper
Announce that the US is "giving" Japan a few thousand nuclear tipped rockets, bombs, and cruise missiles to counter the North Korean threat.

What makes you think Japan would want to host those warheads? The second they would make their way onto Japanese soil, Japan will become a major nuclear target for NK, China, and possibly Russia. This is the exact situation Japan wanted to avoid since the end of WWII. How will it make anything better or more stable? It's not like NK is out of reach of American ICBM's as it is right now.

Originally posted by dooper
China would be shaking like a dog ****ing a peach pit.

Brilliant idea - lets have US anger China and create a Cold War style stand off - because there just isn't enough **** going on in the world today. US already has NK, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Pakistan, and Russia to worry about. Do you really want to add China into the mix?

And what does China even have to do with the NK threat? China has been trying to stabilize the situation and avoid war there for the past years.

Originally posted by dooper
So we do what China does. We enable our clients to defend themselves. So if the balloon goes up, China will suffer just like everyone else.

China didn't give nukes to North Korea. It views NK as a client state of sorts only because of common political idealogy. The two can't be called allies.

Originally posted by dooper
Next, just as prior to WWII, do a lend/lease of three B2 bombers, and several Air Refueling Tankers to Israel, and state clearly that this is to enable a defense against pending Iranian nukes.

How are three B2's going to protect Israel from Iranian nukes? Might as well give them a aircraft carriers and ohio class submarines. It'll solve nothing besides giving rise to questions from those who have to pay for these "leases".

Originally posted by dooper
We're playing checkers, and everyone else is playing chess.

Rather looks to me like everyone is playing chess including the US, but some Americans are left wondering why they even need to play chess at all when they can just wipe the whole chess board clean and beat their chests.

Sometimes I wonder about the condition of North Korea's military. I wonder how well feed their soldiers are and the condition of their equipment. I would be willing to say that their artillery is not accurate, but with a target like Seoul that really does not matter.

One disadvantage of having their artillery dug in is that once they shoot we know where they are and our weapons are likely to hit their targets. Our ground forces are going to be able to shoot and then move which is something we should use to our advantage. As long as we can get some good radar unit's into position and hit their supply lines we should be able to shut their military down. However, we have to consider how much damage they are going to do until that happens.

All of this makes me wonder if Kim really thinks he can win. I think he is still just playing games but he is upping the stakes to keep us on our toes.

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China didn't give nukes to North Korea. It views NK as a client state of sorts only because of common political idealogy. The two can't be called allies.

I actually really agree with this statement. China is more of an allie with SK than the North, considering there is a huge trade partnership with SK.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Well now this does not sound good. Guess what happens of North Korea comes across that DMZ line to engage the South?

they would get massacred like headless chickens

the North has no chance to win a military confrontation, their weapons are outdated and obsolete, their equipment is rusted and inferior, and their soldiers are trained for discipline rather than combat

SO...im gonna say this is just Leader Kim trying to get more welfare IMHO

he doesnt want war, he just wants a new xbox, thats all

Originally posted by Styki
Sometimes I wonder about the condition of North Korea's military. I wonder how well feed their soldiers are and the condition of their equipment. I would be willing to say that their artillery is not accurate, but with a target like Seoul that really does not matter.

One disadvantage of having their artillery dug in is that once they shoot we know where they are and our weapons are likely to hit their targets. Our ground forces are going to be able to shoot and then move which is something we should use to our advantage. As long as we can get some good radar unit's into position and hit their supply lines we should be able to shut their military down. However, we have to consider how much damage they are going to do until that happens.

All of this makes me wonder if Kim really thinks he can win. I think he is still just playing games but he is upping the stakes to keep us on our toes.

I think Kim knows he can't win but what such a conflict would do to the US financially and with respect to the rest of the world. NK would lose in a military conflict, but a victory in ostracizing the US from the rest of the world, crippling it even further.