N. Korea launches additional missile into East Sea: official

On japan i doubt japan have not got things already considering the high tech society they are. People speculate that japan have high tech electromagnetic weapons for example.

I seriously doubt japan needs usa to protect them, lol, from n korea.

So many people hold the opinion N.Korea is posturing.

IMO North Korea is on the verge of suicide.

Keep pushing, and Kim will cop the attitude “Oh well, nothing to lose, might as well go out with a bang! I’ll teach them I meant what I said!”

Does this mean I think controlling powers should back down?
No.

But it does mean I think the USA SHOULD STAY THE HELL OUT OF IT!

Enough policing of the world!

SO is this going to lead to a conflict or all die down?

My personal opinion is it has already gone too far this time, Kim might just want to go out "with a bang" and i think a conflict is inevitable

Nothing is going to happen, TPTB know there is nothing they can do short of false flagging an attack and I don't even think they'll do that. NK are merely flexing their muscles as Kim Jong Il comes closer to death I think he wants to make sure he leaves his country to state of which it can defend itself when he's gone.

Of course he may want to go out in a blaze of glory but I think he holds the preservation of his country as his highest priority, nothing will come of this from the NK side although I'm not too sure about the US, Japan, SK and such, they're the ones that can't be trusted.

I am wondering if these missiles they are testing are something similar to the YJ-62a.

[edit on 27-5-2009 by Adrifter]

LOADED on military transporters, four M109 Howitzers trundled down the Freedom motorway towards Seoul, as South Korea reinforced its capital.

"I have been watching army lorries moving up and down the motorway since yesterday," said Shim Hee-soon (73), in Imjingak, a village of 600 people that sits on the edge of the Demilitarised Zone (DMZ), the most heavily armed border in the world.

Almost two million soldiers face each other across the zone, a 2.5-mile buffer at the 38th parallel between North and South Korea that is still littered with mines from the Korean war. As the American soldiers stationed here joke: "There's no D in the DMZ".

Mrs Shim said North Korea's nuclear test triggered a series of drills near the village. "There were lots of heavily armed soldiers moving through."

Although she lives in Seoul, her sister has lived in Imjingak for more than 40 years. It was here by the banks of the Imjin river in 1951 that one of the fiercest battles of the Korean war took place.

You get that sick feeling in your gut something really bad is going to happen? nobody knows whats going to happen with this one..

looks like all in?

who's on who's sides and whos enemies and whos allies with who?

Who who who

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"Nothing is going to happen, TPTB know there is nothing they can do short of false flagging an attack and I don't even think they'll do that. NK are merely flexing their muscles.....", not that my opinion really matters, but considering kims been starving his country for many years, I really don't think preservation of the country is at the top of his list. I think, just turn 'em to glass!

The only thing I really worry about with North Korea is that if this guy is really dying and preparing to pass over the reigns, then I worry he'll want to "go out with a bang". These leaders are always narcissitic and want to make sure the world never forgets their name.

Here's an article out of Japan claiming that the US had to have known that North Korea was getting ready to launch these missles and test their nuke -- but decided not to tell Japan. It's an interesting perspective I think:

Headline: NORTH KOREA'S NUCLEAR THREAT / U.S. 'didn't give Japan advance N-test intel'

Article link: www.yomiuri.co.jp...

There are several aspects to this that concern me. The first of which is the fact that as of yesterday (May 26th), North Korea has abandoned the Armistice. This is, and of, itself is a huge deal, and yet it’s not being discussed to any significant degree. I know this is entirely a technical point, but the war in 1950 wasn’t ended, it was paused with this very armistice. To say that North Korea has withdrawn, is to say that the Korean War is now resuming.

Secondly, the nuclear test may be signaling that Kim Jong-Il is aware that he won’t be on this earth much longer. Recent photos of him in the media show that he’s not aging well. This may be building up to “going out with a bang”. With no successor to hand the leadership to, he may simply decide that the time is right to move on South Korea. I’m sure he’s aware this would lead to his destruction, but there’s always something to be said for a sucker punch in the form of a nuclear detonation in Seoul. I just can’t see him dying of natural causes. I think he’ll do something to bring this all to a very violent end. The question will be, just how far will it escalate?

Third, I have to wonder, as many other posters in this thread wonder, if there’s something we’re not seeing. As with any magician, they’ll get you to look at one hand while the other is doing all the trickery. It’s important to question what other events are occurring behind the scenes.

Gerald Celente recently stated that war is a possible means of dealing with this financial crisis. If that’s the case, let me throw out a possible false flag scenario for you all to chew on. The US takes one of the nuclear tipped cruise missiles that flew from Minot to Barksdale on the B-52 a while back (if you believe that any warheads went missing) and brings the warhead into the heart of Seoul. Detonation occurs, and it’s roughly the same strength as the bomb they just tested, especially since the cruise missile nukes can be “dialed down”. South Korea wastes no time and fires a massive volley into North Korea. North Korea sees it coming and fires everything back (including another nuke of theirs if they have one). The troops on both sides advance. No matter the winner, there’ll be millions killed. If you want even a more dramatic scenario, you have Israel attack Iran at precisely the same time, causing a possible nuclear volley there as well, and obviously significant loss of life all around.

I know some may consider the provided scenario to be “fear mongering”, but lets not forget the amount of people killed in Korea between ’50 and ‘53. An estimated 2 Million people died. If this truly spins up again, it’ll be of epic proportions.

Originally posted by andy1033
On japan i doubt japan have not got things already considering the high tech society they are. People speculate that japan have high tech electromagnetic weapons for example.

I seriously doubt japan needs usa to protect them, lol, from n korea.

I have to agree there Japan is where the craziest inventions come out of what I've always wondered as high tech as they portray themselves to be what don't we get to see.

On top of that I would put money down the US already has subs in the water over there, chances are long before this all even started to occur.

If it was solely a threat from Korea it would be equivalent to swatting a miskito with your hand. The question is, is there anyone pulling the strings of N. Korea.

Edit: Didn't realize he's getting close to the end. If that's the case then I would guess an invasion of S. Korea so he could have his name in the history books as taking S. Korea back for his people. Although if his command structure falls his people will betray him which obviously is a good thing. Chances are he already has a successor appointed but the question is will that successor actually be successful at keeping the country under a tight rule.

[edit on 27-5-2009 by Darthorious]

One huge point to bring up that would strenghten the argument that the situation with North Korea is simply a distraction would be the point brought up by Japan's denfense ministry which is:

If the US has all of this additional military over in South Korea, specifically to watch what they're (NK) doing (this increased after the Apirl missle/satellite launch) -- then how could they have missed all of the preparations that would have had to take place in recent weeks to deploy the underground nuke and the last five missles?

Think about it -- we had weeks of warning in April. Which, theoretically came out of nowhere -- and now when we are already on high alert we somehow miss this and/or choose to not tell anyone??? It's a little suspicious.

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It's actually VERY suspicious because I know we watch North Korea like a hawk. There's literally no way that these things weren't observed by us. We knew they were going to happen. For one reason or another, we chose to remain silent about it. When a missile battery so much as changes direction, it's picked up by satellite and known about around an hour later in the Pentagon. Perhaps it's because TPTB secretly want these things to happen. The question now is, who are the losers in what is to come? Who benefits?

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Considering Japan was just given the green light (basically) to turn N.Korea into glass - I can almost believe they are for defense purposes.

Almost.

peace

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Bravo! I'm glade N Korea has the balls to test, own and protect themselves. It's about time other countries arm themselves (to the TEETH) to protect their culture and ideology - we do.

We all know the Bilderbergers, World Banks, Black Op's and so on are on a bloodthirsty frontal assault to rule the world, but when another country stands up to our miltitary industral complex.... We all FORGET what the real agenda is...

We quickly take sides with the wolves, then point fingers at the hapless scared sheep. America has been the front-runner to CONTROL the world, from "false information" to..."bold faced lying cover-up's" to... "Olie North" there are thousands of threads and facts on this site that prove this.

So what if Korea tests one damn bomb!... They should have the right too. Has America ever asked another country permission to test, develope and sell our mega giga blast explosives with anyone who would ride into world domnination to share the spoils??

HELL NO WE DIDN'T!! and you all know it. Our justification? It was none of the worlds freaking business then ----- and it sure as hell ain't today!

Put yourself in the skin of the poor innocent civilians who were vaporized by the sneeky dirty trick over the sky's of Japan to humanely end WWII?

Everyone and their Grandmaw has learned with their own blood, we are the current world dominating agressors that never-ever want a fair humane fight. Like our global enslaving idols the Roman & British Empires taught us... Fake civility rules, and most importantly, you must always turn a back-alley buck using brainwashed taxpayers dollars.

If N Korea wasn't making their own bombs, we would find a way through one of our brown nosing, puppeted allies to get em the stuff... with a stiff tax and a 300% markup of course

Someday we all may have to buy cheap, outsourced weapons from China and N Korea to defend our own asses, from our own government.

Americans and the NRA are the first to whine about a individual not being able to own 3 shotguns, 2 handguns, 10 hunting rifles, 4 bear traps and so on. But let another country manufacture a slingshot and it's.........

Nebraska Farmer - "I knows N Korea is 16,000 miles away over open water... and we have 1000 times their millitary might... thousands ah bases, jets, tanks, ships, subs, satelites, and personnel cross the globe, but, me and my wife Becky are ah real-real teriffied that that Kim Juan Ill is gonna personally swim over here and plant a nuke in my 10 acre corn field..." "Why you ask... cause that truth tellin Cheney says so..."

To the British: China and the rest of Asia have sobered up from your Opium Dens and cultural prostitution... Let the truth be told... It's a new day, the world detests the long-armed Anglo control freaks, their credit giving Pimps of Democracy and their lying goverments.

Remember, this is suppose to be a real "Conspiracy Forum" to spot and highlight this type of ridiculous BS put out by greed stricken global dominatiors like us.


[edit on 27-5-2009 by Level X]

Originally posted by smashenator
America is all excited. the War mongers of the world get to kill more people..

Americas good at killing people including themselfs...

What does it take for America to just stop..?

Have alook a you guys..

For once, I have to say that America should be doing something in this case. Though I don't really feel they need to right now.

I have always been against the war for Oil. But this is completely different.
America isn't even doing anything in this scenario, and I doubt they will yet. Just as they did nothing when Russia and Georgia were arguing, or when Israel attacked the people of Gaza.

Aaaanyway...

Defeating and containing N.Korea would be possible from the air, and using technology that they simply do not have. But any ground combat would be the risky scenario.
Lets face it, N.Korea has stone tanks with branches for guns located in several places. They are ALL ABOUT propaganda, the images of their military parades are probably half plastic missiles and volunteers dressed in military uniform.

I'm not suggesting they are not a threat (clearly they are), I am just suggesting that the image they express to their people and the rest of the world is not an accurate portrayal of their military, all outside governments will know this.
They are a struggling nation with massive poverty, the morale of a people and a military are not bolstered by poverty.

Japan should be in a position to defend herself, and this recent action by N.Korea demands action to prepare.

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What you say is true but the minute war starts and NK release all that artillery they have trained on Soeul, that is 25 million people at risk, millions would die or at least hundreds of thousands.

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I don't think it is suspicious. N.Korea stated they were going to try a satellite launch. It was widely released to global media.
America just chose to knowledge it and say they were watching.

This nuclear test was supposedly mentioned to America prior to it happening, so even if America didn't see it, they certainly knew it was going to happen.

Why didn't they say anything? Because there was a chance it would fail, nothing would happen or it was a bluff.
If they had released this news to the world or warned even Japan, and then nothing happened, it will have raised tensions for no reason.

It's difficult, but perhaps America had intel to suggest it was false, and they chose not to heighten tensions and scare people needlessly?
Of course it now looks like they deliberately withheld intel, but it's a small gripe in a bigger scenario.

There's so much about this that we'll never know, it's all so complex. Spies, Intel, counter-intel, propaganda, it's all too intertwined and it's all the stuff we'll likely never know about.

If North Korea blows up its south should the world care? Why all become annihilated over someone elses stupidity unless after all it is the global wipout plan for a NWO of course. Should America care or should they stay out?

The whole situation is immature, 'give me that toy in the shop window or I'll cry' and when you do give them it they whack you over the head.