North Korea 'fires more missiles'

I just read an article in Time Magazine (website) by Joe Klein which suggests that this display is more about N. Korea itself then with the rest of the world.

Basically the article explains that because Kim's son is being prepared to succeed him, the bomb/missile display is an appeasement for N. Korea's generals. A way to assure them that N. Korea will remain controlled by it's military after Kim's son takes over.

There's really a stalemate there, they can't do anything except blow up some bombs and scare some people, and we can't do anything except sanctions and talks.

Time Article

(Edited to correct referrence, it was a Time Magazine website article by Joe Klein)

[edit on 26-5-2009 by Electro38]

lil kim has been watching to much Team America

Maybe Tray Parker and Matt Stone know something we don't.

AMERICAN F**K YEA

Originally posted by jonny2410
reply to post by disfugured

 

they could easily sell it to iran or syria and anybody who thinks they should have nukes is mad, they act like children and are very unstable.

Your basing all your info on assumption.

Assumtion I guess is a good reason to launch attacks on other nations.

Iran could go nuclear much easier through the Russians. Either which way, Iran has not threatened to invade/attack other nations either.

NK just wants more sanctions.
Sanctions are the best way to ensure dictatorship in such a country.
Without sanctions, too much foreign influence through investment would derail any dictator. That is a common practice.

Hokay. Kims just looking for more sanctions, and maybe a bargaining chip. We've seen it before. It goes *Test, UN is like heyyyyyyy then slaps sanctions, NK's, like "arg were gonna declare war on SK because we dont like that, Six party talks resume, nothing happens, six party talks get walked away from, NK tests something else, repeat.* No ones going to invade anyone IMO. If SK joins the PSI then NK said they would be declaring war. SK will be probably leveled, then the UN would go into Korea, own, China would be like oh snap and possibly try to take back Taiwan. The US is going to be like no. Then the war that we've been talking about for years will be here. But thats not for a couple years. This could be one thing or another. Probably just people blowing smoke for more grain.

reply to post by Adrifter


You are right it is not that simple. Still I think you will agree there is no comparison between Germany then and NK now. NK is a little player and is kept in check.

German industry was working full throttle and by the beginning of WWII, it is arguable Germany had the most powerful airforce. It may be a false assumption from my part though. Red Army was indeed a well equipped and powerful force.
France was looked as a great military power of the time but it turns out it was not mainly because of outdated warfare tactics. Germany with new use of tanks and new tactics like Blitzkrieg easily destroyed french line of defense.

Thank you for the link

reply to post by disfugured


sorry are you forgetting Iran is the country which stated they wanted to wipe Israel of the map? Trusting a country like Iran with nukes is just madness and it extends to NK. Remember NK is the same country which kidnapped 25 japanese people in the 70's, shot down a SK passenger plane and bombed SK residents in Burma. Iran and NK act like children and quite frankly having a country run by these complete nutters in control of nuclear weapons would be awful.

As for any attack by NK on SK, i totally agree that no country would invade NK with a land army simply as that would be a bloodbath and NK has around 1M strong army and 7m reserves.

However this really would not stop the US and EU using air power and naval forces on NK. I have no doubt that if North Korea invaded the south the US, Japan and its other allies to SK would respond with military action.

As usual in these situations it will all blow over and NK will play bad cop good cop just to get their way on issues. Military action by NK would be suicidal on its own part and plunge the US et al into another war in addition to Iraq/ Afghanistan.

Although i have to admit the chances of war in the region is at an all time high and if NK want war with the South it will happen, it all depends on what they want.

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too bad we didnt finish the job in korea in the 50's. we could have changed the future terminator style.

While I was expecting these guys to do something; breaking that treaty was not it. Seems they really want the attention; obviously this will end up leading to war, I don't see how the UN could save face without delivering some repercussions to NK. Particularly by Japan, she's in far too vulnerable position to not do something which means we all go to War.

If I was North Korea I would be frightened of terrorists like America invading. I would fight terrorism with nukes. We have been illegaly testing nukes here in the US, so why can't they? Is it because they have slanty eyes?

reply to post by jonny2410


iran never said they would wipe israel from the map - you still believe the fox translation i guess.

reply to post by Common Good


Boy, that would be some can of worms to open-up in my opinion. If world leaders start getting together and deciding to "eliminate" leaders...where would it stop?

I'm not saying that NK doesn't deserve to have its leader eliminated, I would just be concerned what the rules for determining whom should be eliminated would be. Can you imagine where this would head? Are you comfortable having Russia and/or China contributing to ( or setting?) the parameters that would decide when elimination is necessary?

Further, we can't even get every country to stop supplying him with weapons, uranium, etc. If we can't all agree on something as basic as "no money - no weapons - no threat" then how would any kind of concensus be reached?

reply to post by earthman4


The usual "oh America are the bad guys" argument ( and i am not american). Don't you get why we don't want them having nukes? They are incredibly unstable and are run by a power hungry dictator who rules by the gun. How can we possibly trust NK with such powerful weapons as nukes and trust that they will not sell them to Iran or Syria? It is even worse at the moment considering Kim is in bad health and no doubt there is a power struggle going on in the country.

People like you need to take a step back and think.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Military leaders think with their warheads, they often don't have a basic understanding of economics or a sensible approach to diplomacy. If Kim has lost control of his country, the people now in control of it are very likely military leaders with a warped sense of the world and little understanding of the consequences of their actions.

Why should militaries be stupid ? Military leaders are not the average Rambo-type. They are bright enough to seize and maintain power.
Militaries have a deep understanding of consequences because in their business consequences can be devastating.

Originally posted by detachedindividualWe all know that if a nuke was dropped tomorrow, every other country would have to hold off and consider a rational response. It wouldn't be an immediate launching of nuclear weapons all around the world, and we wouldn't want there to be.
The idea that there is a "deterrent" is nonsensical. The basic truth is that one nuclear blast would not cause a global nuclear war, the nation to do it would gain an upper hand and face a response, but it's highly unlikely that any nation would support a nuclear response that would further damage and destabilise the entire planet.

Quite difficult to figure what would happen in case of a nuke attack. You are right it does not necessarily leads to global nuclear war. It depends what is at stakes. I am afraid there is a possibility it would involved a large number of countries. It's a nightmare just to get a glimpse of the eventuality.

I have been saying for a couple of years on this forum that NK does have nuclear weapons and that they also have Allies that hate the western way of life and would do all they can to supply NK with anything they want in order to cause chaos for the west.

So this brings us to where we stand today, and what I find more suspicious than NK firing all of this earth contaminating radiation (at a critical time in our fragile earths history) is the fact that there are no updates or articles to be found from the UN and its counterparts that are suppose to be the world watch dogs for this type of serious breech in our planets security to life and sovereignty.

There are many prophecies and conjecture which play straight into this wicked plot, however if the NWO and their plan for global dominance want a planet to rule and prosper from, then they need to step in and do something to contain this madness and do it today.

They will loose all possible strength if they allow this to continue, as KJI or whom ever is far overstepping their right to make global decisions. It is a small world afterall and what is most important is the ability to move into the future in a sustainable manner for all inhabitants of the planet.

With the ring of fire in overdrive, the polar icecaps melting at an alarming rate, entire islands disappearing and earthquakes at an all time high, it is pure irresponsibility to allow such a rape and trauma to our inner planet through the vicious and retarded barbaric act of nuclear explosions deep within her.

There is always a price to pay for acts of unconsciousness and this time the price will be more than any of us could ever bargain for.

God help us all and God help our planet as she is plundered in the most unnecessary and atrocious, deplorable manner.

reply to post by Harlequin


I didn't mean to take that phrase literally but there is no getting around the obvious fact that Iran would love to remove Israel and what better way than if they get nukes.. really i cant believe you guys cannot see that would be madness.

Originally posted by disfugured

Originally posted by jonny2410

Either which way, Iran has not threatened to invade/attack other nations either.

You mean other than threatening to completely destroy Israel?

Originally posted by Drexl
When you got warmongers going about invading neighbouring nations on the back of lies and their leaders saying god thinks it's a good idea , then it's probably a good idea to get a nuke or two for self defence . Look what happens to nations that don't have any kind of nuclear deterrent over the past 60 or so years from invasions from lying warmongers.

Umm so you are defending NK's position?

Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by jonny2410

 

iran never said they would wipe israel from the map - you still believe the fox translation i guess.

Not only Fox translation. It was reported by every western MSM (purposely ?).

This scenario of NK attacking SK is absolutely unrealistic. It does not take into account the regional balance of power.

Originally posted by truttseeker
Hokay. Kims just looking for more sanctions, and maybe a bargaining chip. We've seen it before. It goes *Test, UN is like heyyyyyyy then slaps sanctions, NK's, like "arg were gonna declare war on SK because we dont like that, Six party talks resume, nothing happens, six party talks get walked away from, NK tests something else, repeat.* No ones going to invade anyone IMO. If SK joins the PSI then NK said they would be declaring war. SK will be probably leveled, then the UN would go into Korea, own, China would be like oh snap and possibly try to take back Taiwan. The US is going to be like no. Then the war that we've been talking about for years will be here. But thats not for a couple years. This could be one thing or another. Probably just people blowing smoke for more grain.

Right on and as Taiwan is the target of this mess because they do not want to have NK continue to bring in their contaminated and non controlled mining business's to their country, however NK is a bully which will not allow Taiwan to refuse, like the God father once said, " An offer you can't refuse"...

The real question is who is NK's big brother that is backing it into this crime scene, must be mighty powerful and yet not wanting to take the responsibility for their evil underhandedness.