Are some UFO's animals that live in space?

This is the video I talked about in my first post, it's from STS-80 and it shows what I think is the best candidate for a living creature in real (as far as I know) footage.

reply to post by ArMaP


Nice one

Some may feel that these objects are UFO's that are using the lightning storm to recharge their craft. To an extent that could be a very valid idea, but if you're going to explore space, you're not going to want to travel somewhere to end up stranded because there are no storms anywhere nearby.

Which leaves us with the possibility that these are creatures from space. If you look closely, it appears that they directly enter the Earths atmosphere and do not seem to be phased by the entry. Is this ability due to their genetic build? To survive in space and to possibly birth young in our atmosphere, then you're going to want easy access.

It's the same process again with any creature on Earth that spends its life in the air, but births its young in water. They have to be able to pierce the outer skin of water to enter into its environment.

Salmon are born in fresh water, spend their life in salt water and return to fresh water to lay their eggs.

We can see in this video above that there are singular objects and several that seem to have formed a group, but they all appear to be converging around a storm, yet not directly near it. Why?

Are they feeding?

To give a perspective of 'feeding' let's just have a quick look at the Bracken cave bats.

To the radar the millions of bats emerging from their caves look like a huge storm that starts at a point on the ground—a cave—and spreads rapidly up and over the landscape.

"It didn't take long for word to get around among bat researchers that we could view bat colonies on the new radar," recalls Jim Ward, science and operations officer at New Braunfels. "We saw bats flying as high as 10,000 feet."

an estimated 100 million Mexican free-tailed bats emerging from a dozen major caves in south-central Texas. Perhaps another 50 million live in caves in Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Arizona. These bat populations are maternity colonies, huge congregations of females

100 million free-tailed bats in south-central Texas must eat an incredible 1,000 tons—two million pounds—of insects in a single night.

During the first weeks of June each year up to seven billion corn earworm moths, plus a similar number of fall armyworm moths and other pests, emerge from the cornfields of the lower Rio Grande Valley. After dusk they ascend anywhere from hundreds to thousands of feet and ride the prevailing winds north to the Winter Garden. They can make the 250-mile flight in one night.

we later calculated that the density—from our vantage point in the balloon—translated to perhaps one moth per 30,000 cubic feet of airspace.

ngm.nationalgeographic.com...


Ok, so the bats are feeding on the moths, but what are the moths doing up there? Why the need to travel to such heights? Are the moths supplementing their diet on something?

Now what would a space venturing creature use for food? Photosynthesis is one suggestion we have already considered in this thread, but what could a lightning storm provide?

This study focuses on the ball lightning effect, yet may provide some very useful information regarding a possible food source;

Numerous research related to physico-chemical transformations in atmosphere discuss specificity of the processes going under effect of the solar radiation, electric discharges and other factors

This work is focused on studies of the phenomena related to the high-temperature chemical processes happening in the intensive atmospheric fields.
the specific features of the physico-chemical transformations of the lightning storm air in a wide temperature range. In the lightning storm atmosphere nitrogen oxides, ozone and other "combustible" components start to accumulate reaching concentrations in excess of the normal levels (sometimes by several tent olds). Thus, nitrogen oxide is synthesized through -the following process:
(1)
where: the reaction heat effect relates to standard conditions. Having entered the low-temperature zone, is "tempered" [15,16] and can react with oxygen and ozone as in the below equations:
(2)(3)
Under the lightning storm conditions the processes described by the cumulative equation of the below type become significant too:
(4)
The created dissociates in rain drops and fog particles in the following way:
(5)
It should be noted that , also a product of the cumulative process, is similarly unstable even at low temperatures and in the liquid phase decomposes into and . In addition, there are other known processes of the type:
(6)(7)
increasing the liquid phase conductivity by several orders. The reactions of and decomposition in the gaseous phase under the appropriate conditions can generate some amounts of ions as well.

Considering the ionization potentials and the values of affinity to electron and proton of the particles identifiable in the atmosphere, one can state that at temperatures of 300-500K the atmospheric air contains and some other ions in relatively increased concentrations.

www.endeav.org...
Please visit the page to view the math equations.

Nitrogen oxide, Ozone, Oxygen, water droplets, fog, Ions?? Is this some form of soup that is formed and is readily available wherever a lightning storm is?

Sprites



Think this idea is a bit odd? Then observe a little about plankton.

While some forms of plankton are capable of independent movement and can swim up to several hundreds of meters vertically in a single day (a behavior called diel vertical migration), their horizontal position is primarily determined by currents in the body of water they inhabit. Plankton abundance and distribution are strongly dependent on factors such as ambient nutrients concentrations, the physical state of the water column, and the abundance of other plankton.

Phytoplankton (from Greek phyton, or plant), autotrophic, prokaryotic or eukaryotic algae that live near the water surface where there is sufficient light to support photosynthesis.

All plankton ecosystems are driven by the input of solar energy (but see chemosynthesis), and this confines primary production to surface waters, and to geographical regions and seasons when light is abundant.

It has been suggested that large-scale "seeding" of the world's oceans with iron could generate blooms of phytoplankton large enough to draw down enough carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere to offset its anthropogenic emissions

en.wikipedia.org...

How does plankton compare to a possible 'soup' in the atmosphere as a food source?
Well, look at the size of the objects entering the atmosphere, how they are not affected in any visible manner. We know how small these Ions and other molecules are and we can see the size of these objects. We must show a comparison.

That comparison is, the Blue Whale;

Blue Whales feed almost exclusively on krill, though they also take small numbers of copepods.[28] The species of this zooplankton eaten by Blue Whales varies from ocean to ocean. In the North Atlantic, Meganyctiphanes norvegica, Thysanoessa raschii, Thysanoessa inermis and Thysanoessa longicaudata are the usual food;[29][30][31] in the North Pacific, Euphausia pacifica, Thysanoessa inermis, Thysanoessa longipes, Thysanoessa spinifera, Nyctiphanes symplex and Nematoscelis megalops;[32][33][34] and in the Antarctic, Euphausia superba, Euphausia crystallorophias and Euphausia valentin.

An adult Blue Whale can eat up to 40 million krill in a day.[35] The whales always feed in the areas with the highest concentration of krill, sometimes eating up to 3,600 kg (8,000 lb) of krill in a single day.[28] This daily calorie requirement of an adult Blue Whale is in the region of 1.5 million. [36] This means that they typically feed at depths of more than 100 m (330 ft) during the day and only surface-feed at night.

en.wikipedia.org...

Even these sprites that we see in the video are interesting. They remind me of three other naturally occurring events here on Earth.
1. Volcanic eruptions
2. Deep sea thermal vents.
3. Erupting Geysers.
All three of which add to the food chain in some manner.

"As above, so below"
This phrase comes from the beginning of The Emerald Tablet and embraces the entire system of traditional and modern magic which was inscribed upon the tablet in cryptic wording by Hermes Trismegistus. The significance of this phrase is that it is believed to hold the key to all mysteries.

www.themystica.com...

I think Zorgon's hit the nail on the head with Plasma Life Forms, this is the most interesting phenomena I've come across in recent years after I first heard of them several months ago. Jay Alfred has published a number of books on the phenomena and developed them into his 'dark plasma' theories

www.dapla.org...

Dark plasma theory ( Jay Alfred, Our Invisible Bodies, 2006), observes that our visible Earth is gravitationally coupled to counterpart dark matter Earths composed of low density plasma. These "sister Earths" were co-accreted with the physical-dense Earth about 4.6 billion years ago from dark matter components in the embryonic Solar System and supplemented with dark matter carried to Earth by incoming meteors, comets, asteroids and dark matter particles raining down on Earth over the past 4.6 billion years. Plasma life forms evolved on these interpenetrating counterpart Earths, just like it did on the visible planet. These life forms were as varied in scale, structure and intelligence as carbon-based life forms - as different as a microbe from a whale; a mosquito from a tiger; a giraffe from a crocodile; an ant from a human being. Their degrees of intelligence and awareness were as different as a centipede's awareness to the awareness and intelligence of homo sapiens. The taxonomy of these plasma life forms is wide and varied.Some of these plasma life forms have interacted with us in the past (intentionally or unintentionally). The entities that we have loosely identified as ghosts, angels, demons, deities (for example the Marian apparitions in the atmosphere), aliens (associated with UFO sightings in the atmosphere), fairies and sightings of the recently deceased (on the surface of the Earth) are all exotic plasma life forms from interpenetrating counterpart Earths.

Exploring the links at the bottom of the dapla page leads to some quite interesting reading.

Such phenomena and theories offer major paradigm shifts in what we typically think of as life, life processes, lifeforms and biospheres, and how they all interact, and how a lot of 'paranormal' or anomalous phenomena can be understood in the context of the 'physical', and can be explained by physical processes.

I believe that much of what we see in the sky that we call "UFO" are other life forms. Zorgon calls them "critters".

Here is an animation of the frames that Zorgon posted on the previous page:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/bb261ab621b502c6.gif[/atsimg]

It seems to be pulsing. I don't recall seeing video of pulsing ice crystals before, and that doesn't seem a likely explanation.

This is an intriguing idea, and is if anything more plausible than the alien visitation theory in many cases. Obviously, as with anything, hard evidence is needed before we can give a definite yes, but this seems fairly solid given the amazing variety life displays.

Also, because I can't help myself: Oh noes, the Tyranids are coming!

I never heard of that theory before but I like it and its interesting. Will read up more about it - S&F for you OP and one for Zorgon with all the useful info...

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
I don't recall seeing video of pulsing ice crystals before, and that doesn't seem a likely explanation.

Not only that but look at the size of that thing on NASA's monitor screen...



And there is the fact that NASA considered it interesting enough to be monitoring it, yet no one in the control room is jumping up excited... 'business as usual'

Originally posted by ArMaP
This is the video I talked about in my first post, it's from STS-80 and it shows what I think is the best candidate for a living creature in real (as far as I know) footage.

What I find most significant about this video is the fact that the camera man is AWARE of them... after the first one moves into the scene and stops... it moves along with the rotation of the Earth while the second one comes up from the clouds... but later on the camera man zooms in on the first one that is almost out of range now.

That at least proves that these 'objects' are of interest to NASA and thus they know they are there. Also considering how long the first object remains visible would rule out ice.

Wonder what Jim Oberg says about this one?

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I don't think that the second object is the same thing, I think it's the same as the one on the NASA screen, an ice crystal (or other small, bright, object), and that is one of the reasons I do not like to see all similar things considered as one, if I acted like that I could consider that the object that goes against Earth's atmosphere (but does not enter, it remains "squashed" against it as unable to enter, like a balloon cannot enter into water without a strong force applied) was also an ice crystal.

I would also like to know Jim Oberg's opinion about this one.

Originally posted by Extralien
If you look closely, it appears that they directly enter the Earths atmosphere and do not seem to be phased by the entry.

I don't think it enters the atmosphere, it can be seen at the atmosphere's edge

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/3a6432df5f18f5e1.jpg[/atsimg]

Now what would a space venturing creature use for food? Photosynthesis is one suggestion we have already considered in this thread, but what could a lightning storm provide?

In Chernobyl they found some fungi that apparently live on radiation, using melanin to absorb the energy instead of chlorophyll, like in photosynthesis.

Do Fungi Feast on Radiation?

reply to post by ArMaP
Why does the video suggest a possible 'living creature' to you? Your reasoning is always objective so I'm curious. It's a puzzling video. The storm seems central to the destination of the anomaly/critter/UFO/phenomena and it appears to follow the storm. It doesn't share the characteristics of sprites, elves etc.

Could it be an aspect of the same phenomena responsible for ball lightning? The science behind ball lightning is still lacking although it's been demonstrated in laboratory conditions. If the same conditions were recreated in space, without atmosphere and with the power of an electrical storm, could ball lightning be ruled out?

EDIT to add details...

Scientists in the joint study group of Max-Planck-Institut für Plasmaphysik and Berlin’s Humboldt University have generated ball-lightning in the laboratory - or, to be more precise, ball-lightning-like plasma clouds. The physicists produce luminous plasma balls above a water surface which have lifetimes of almost half a second and diameters of 10 to 20 centimetres. Ball-lightning is described as a luminous phenomenon occurring during thunderstorms. It is a mystery, however, that they should be visible not as a brief flash, i.e. just for microseconds, but exist for several seconds, i.e. a hundred thousand times as long as a flash of lightning.

Physicists generate ball-lightning in the lab

I'm not claiming this is what the '???' in the video is. I'm just wondering out loud if this can be ruled out before speculating about critters?

[edit on 28-5-2009 by Kandinsky]

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I didn't said that it suggest a living creature, I said this is the best candidate for a living creature, and that is because I think the other things that are presented as UFOs or creatures are really ice crystals and because I do not have any possible explanation for this object.

reply to post by ArMaP
Okay. I understand now. Inflection is a an absent friend when all we have is words on a screen Misunderstandings are too easy, which is why I use smiley faces so often

Still, it's very interesting footage and full of questions

Thanks for posting this. I have thought about this question too, and my interest was peeked watching Star Trek last week. I think it's possible with thinking this. It's hard to articulate for me.

You know, I have to admit this idea cross my mind several times. While life in space would find it difficult to cling on, it is not altogether impossible for this to happen. After all, we are products of our environment.

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In Chernobyl they found some fungi that apparently live on radiation, using melanin to absorb the energy instead of chlorophyll, like in photosynthesis.

That is something I thought about while mulling the idea over. How plausible does a living membrane-type thing sound? Absorbing radiation and being 'blown' around by the stellar wind.

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That is the biggest problem I see for space creatures, movement.

While it is easy to use the solar wind to move away from the Sun, how could they move in other directions?

And if they use a different system and do not rely on the solar wind, then they still have to avoid being pushed away by the solar wind.

As a person with little imagination, I can not see how a hypothetical space creature would move through space.

Originally posted by ArMaP
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As a person with little imagination, I can not see how a hypothetical space creature would move through space.

Magnetic attraction and repulsion perhaps?

To do this, perhaps they also rely on energy gained from the 'tether effect' - from their motion through the Earth's magnetic field.

Perhaps they even utilize photovoltaic elements in their biology to gain a charge with which to adjust their orbit/position...

Maybe they mostly 'drift' - like a jellyfish.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
Magnetic attraction and repulsion perhaps?

With what, planets?

And if that was the case then they would be attracted to the nearest planet and would remain there.

To do this, perhaps they also rely on energy gained from the 'tether effect' - from their motion through the Earth's magnetic field.

Maybe, but that would limit them to planets with a strong magnetic field.

Maybe they mostly 'drift' - like a jellyfish.

There are no currents in space (as far as I know), so they would probably be "blown" by the solar wind up to the outside of the solar system.

Originally posted by ArMaP

And if that was the case then they would be attracted to the nearest planet and would remain there.

I didn't say they were magnets...

I said they may use magnetic attraction and repulsion....


*Their density appears minimal - perhaps they are 'buoyant? and thus require only minimal amounts of force exertion to maneuver?





[edit on 29-5-2009 by Exuberant1]