Did North Korea just test a Nuke? YES they did!

Russian scientists have figured out what kiloton size it was.
Here

reply to post by Agit8dChop


Since it apparently was Hiroshima sized, it was not a suitcase nuke this time. Iran's bomb sounds very likely.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I think you may be right on the money Mr. Agit8d. The bad part is that if this was an Iranian bomb you can be sure that Israel knows all about it. I can't help but think of what Mr. Netanyahu said after his meeting with President Obama last week. When a reporter asked him about Iran he simply said, "We will defend ourselves." That sounds pretty ominous to me.

Since it apparently was Hiroshima sized, it was not a suitcase nuke this time.

That's irrelevant Hellmutt. They don't need a suitcase with a Taepo-Dong-2 rocket able to accurately take out LAX.

Also in terms of smuggling many people may not understand that a nuclear weapon with pure bomb grade Plutonium (yes there is such a thing) is not a gamma emitter and can be shielded from radiation quite easily, concealed in a shipping container.

Spent reactor fuel contaminated with U232 can be tracked by satellite, but a concealed nuclear weapon can't.

A Plutonium warhead can be as small as a washing machine.

A Uranium warhead can be as small as a football.

To get a nuke smaller than this you need a sophisticated X-ray laser.

BREAKING NEWS:::

AP:: NORTH KOREA to launch missile on Tuesday or Wednesday toward West Coast.

This was on Sky News about half an hour ago, sorry it took me so long. Had to find batteries for my mouse.

So what WILL the UN do before then??

Get ready for a show folks

Originally posted by Tentickles
Russian scientists have figured out what kiloton size it was.
Here

The Russian blast yield estimate on the first test was inaccurate. They said it was the equivalent of 5 to 15 kilotons of TNT. The rest of the world says it was between .5 to 1 kiloton.

This second test the russians say the yield is 20 Kiloton.
Everyone else is leaning toward 2.2 Kiloton up to 6 kiloton yield.

Another example of oddity between N. Korea / Russian reports was the last missle test. Russia reported that the missle made orbit. We all know it splashed down.

Not sure why there is such discrepancy.

[edit on 5/25/09 by makeitso]

reply to post by sy.gunson


I believe the first bomb was a suitcase nuke (550-1000kt) made in Russia. And this second one was apparently a 10000-20000kt bomb, possibly made in Iran. Unless NK did make this most recent one. I don't believe they made the first one. Perhaps they didn't make any of them.

Just wanted to clear this up-yes its on SKynews.com but the missle isnt being launched towards the US and its a short range missle as well:

NK is preparing to launch a missle off of ITS West Coast, not towards the US:

QUOTE: "North Korea is preparing to launch a missile off its west coast today or tomorrow, a South Korean official is reported to have said."

"It looks like it will fire a short-range missile between today and tomorrow."

news.sky.com

Originally posted by RenDMC
BREAKING NEWS:::

AP:: NORTH KOREA to launch missile on Tuesday or Wednesday toward West Coast.

This was on Sky News about half an hour ago, sorry it took me so long. Had to find batteries for my mouse.

So what WILL the UN do before then??

Get ready for a show folks

Mod Edit: Fixed link

[edit on 5/25/2009 by JacKatMtn]

reply to post by makeitso


2.2 kt? Oy! If so, it could still be a (big) suitcase nuke. The magnitude of the quake was 4.7

reply to post by Hellmutt


Say what!?! the nuke wasn't anywhere near that size.I personally would trust russian sources rather than western given this is right in their backyard and they have no interest in N.korea taking a fit and crying like a little school girl.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Just wanted to clear this up-yes its on SKynews.com but the missle isnt being launched towards the US and its a short range missle as well:

NK is preparing to launch a missle off of ITS West Coast, not towards the US:

QUOTE: "North Korea is preparing to launch a missile off its west coast today or tomorrow, a South Korean official is reported to have said."

"It looks like it will fire a short-range missile between today and tomorrow."

news.sky.com

Originally posted by RenDMC
BREAKING NEWS:::

AP:: NORTH KOREA to launch missile on Tuesday or Wednesday toward West Coast.

This was on Sky News about half an hour ago, sorry it took me so long. Had to find batteries for my mouse.

So what WILL the UN do before then??

Get ready for a show folks

Oh, I didn't mean to imply it was heading toward the U.S, my bad if it sounded like I said it. But it's 3am here and i'm pooped lol... just can't stop reading though.




Mod Edit: Fixed link in quote

[edit on 5/25/2009 by JacKatMtn]

reply to post by Hellmutt


Nope Hellmutt, the first NK nuke test was a failure due to contamination by PU240.

Uranium A-bombs have a similar problem with U232 contamination.

What this test now proves is that NK have solved the problems involved with breeding Plutonium and can now harvest it only limited by their access to Heavy water reactors.

Incidentally because it takes 5-6 years to breed-cool and reprocess waste to Plutonium, what the success of this new test means is that NK got reprocessing solved about 6 years ago.

It's like the delay of light reaching us from a distant star. What we see is the result of what happened several years ago.

Because Iran has been a partner in NK's Plutonium reprocessing this now signals that Iran also solved the PU240 problem 6 years ago too. That would explain Ahmedinejad's defiant comment that the nuclear issue is now closed.

You can infer from this test that Iran now has the bomb too.

reply to post by RenDMC


Do you have a source for that I cant find it,


West Coast, of

US?
China?
Soth Korea?
Japan?
Etc...

Thank you,

.......................................


This is like giving a chimpanzee a machine gun, and not expecting any shots to be fired.... (just an analogy, like thchimp and machine gun, does quite not know from historical precedents what he is playing with)

Elf

reply to post by sy.gunson


If they solved the problem six years ago, why was their first test "a failure"?

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by RenDMC

 

Do you have a source for that I cant find it,


West Coast, of

US?
China?
Soth Korea?
Japan?
Etc...

Thank you,



Elf

Yeah ummm.... Someone replied to my post with a link to clear up what my dumb mind forgot to add...

Its about 5 or so posts above this one

Breaking Political News: North Korea May Declare War on South Korea

This is getting interesting.

[edit on 5/25/2009 by Tentickles]

How about the international community [SC] responds with an all out EMP attack on NK? fry their infrastructure, i don't think the people there will miss the idea of puting an energy savinglamp into the grid..
The idea alone that Kim wants the SC to apologize for condemning the launch or else he'll test another nuke..Time should be over for this little brat messing around with its neighbours and the international community..

[edit on 25-5-2009 by Foppezao]

reply to post by Hellmutt

If they solved the problem six years ago, why was their first test "a failure"?

It's hard to get one's head around. To breed Plutonium you have to use a heavy water reactor or some sort of reactor with a neutron moderator to slow down fission by U-235. Carbon is an alternative to heavy water.

If you let the reactor run for more than three months the Plutonium becomes impossibly contaminated with Pu-240. If more than 7% of the Plutonium is Pu-240, then the A-bomb will fizzle.

You load up the reactor with enriched Uranium 235 and Uranium 238. The ratio is important too. You run the reactor for about 90 days, then immediately shut it down and remove the fuel rods for cooling.

It takes two years in a cooling pond to get the fuel rods back to a point where you can chemically separate the Plutonium through a six step process of reduction and hydration to precipitate out the Plutonium as a pink salt.

It will have taken about this length of time to cycle fuel through a Heavy water reactor to obtain the Plutonium.

What I am indicating is that if they solved the problems back about 2004 when Iran stopped co-operating with IAEA then they would not have known for at least three years if they had solved the problem and then they would have needed another couple of years to harvest enough plutonium.

Since 2004 the west has been negotiating for a peaceful solution with north Korea whilst NK was just stalling for time to get the process right and process enough Plutonium.

In 2004 IAEA inspectors found 600 grams of Plutonium at the University of Tehran's heavy water reactor complex. This Plutonium had no possible peaceful use. It had not been declared under the NPT either.

I was trying to explain the time lag Hellmutt.

en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Pu-240

en.wikipedia.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Operation Totem

Post Script

I failed to explain one other thing.

It was not obvious to the North Koreans at the first test that they had too much PU-240. The two isotopes of Plutonium are indistinguishable at first glance. the only clue is that Pu-240 is an active gamma emitter, whilst less contaminated Pu-239 has very low emissions.


[edit on 25-5-2009 by sy.gunson]

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[edit on 25-5-2009 by bluewaterservant]

Originally posted by bluewaterservant
reply to post by Lannock

 

please don't say your just an ignorant south africian, even if your really are(ignorant).
be grateful your alive and able to see the world as it is and hold on to dream and hope the peaceful one it will be soon! it is not just the american government, but the governments all around the globe including yours that are controlled by a force that is not of the people but the voice of a tyrant posessed!
now on topic, i, logged on and the release about korea testing nuke on yahoo 55min or so and immediatly came on to ats to see if it was there and sure as i thought it was. good work on information that might have been snuffed till later.