Adamski UFO film found

Originally posted by Nohup



Here's a question for you. How come the footage only lasts a few seconds, rather than, say, an hour? And what happens after? As other UFO video demonstrates, UFO exits are the hardest to skillfully accomplish because you have to show it going away using the proper perspective.

You should ask that if the original Film was present, it isn't, just a snapshot in a documentary. Also were the camera's at that time using celluloid film and usually had 5 tot 15 minutes of recording time.

What I also would like to remark is that if the footage is presented in mainstream documentaries, it is always shown in such a poor quality that it looks like a piece of cardboard like this version:


There is also a lexicon from the German military released in 1958 in which the Flying Disc presented as a development of the Third Reich. I have a copy but the pc on which it is has crashed. As soon as I got it fixed I'll show it to you.

Originally posted by Wormwood Squirm
One thing that caught my attention is, why does the ufo or toy only fly about in the open space between the trees from the filmers point of view? The object never goes behind the trees as if the filmer was displaying the object in the clear area.

Maybe because if it did (like it does in a couple of frames), even in a multi-generation copy, it sure looks like it's in front of the trees, rather than behind them. See?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/ef5d566ea1a44e40.jpg[/atsimg]


Unless the saucer is only a foot or two long, it looks pretty bad.

Originally posted by Haunebu
If the war would have lasted a little longer, Germany would have won, but because the flying discs were in an experimental stage they were (almost) not able to use them in combat.
Sometimes I wonder how the World would have looked like if they had won and their "Building for Eternity" would have continued...

Sorry, I have only just got round to replying, hence this is a bit out of place in the thread, however I could not leave those comments unanswered and I believe they go some way towards credibility.

If the war had lasted a little longer Germany would have become a nuclear wasteground.

If Germany really did have the likelihood of putting this kind of device to use in the war, every single possible resource would have been invested in getting it operational.

That very obviously didn't happen and therefore by extrapolation neither was it ever an option.

Originally posted by Haunebu
If I did any research? My home is the place where you can find probably the largest collection of stuff that is related to the "Nazi-UFOs" on this entire planet. Did you visit my Youtube Channel???
www.youtube.com...

I looked at your channel and it speaks volumes about your background and possible motives. Some of your material has been banned. You're German and put up a lot of vids about the WW2. You have a tendency to hide behind quotes of other (high-profile) people (in the past) who spoke positively about Hitler and the Third Reich. Combine that with some anti-Isreali clips and it's no wonder why some people call you a (neo) Nazi in the comments section of your channel. Are you one?
And this I discovered already some time ago and warned people frequently about on forums. There are people who jump on the Nazi UFO bandwagon who have alterior motives. I already mentioned Ernst Zundel, there probably are a lot more. I'm talking about people who get great satisfaction restoring the strenght and enigma of Nazi Germany and the Third Reich. Ufology is a means to get that message across and what better way to soften the defeat of the Nazi's by claiming they escaped with superior anti-gravity technology. It's blatant revisionism if you ask me. Fairy tales to make some people feel good.

And the drawings you refer to:
freenet-homepage.de...
Those are incorrect reproductions!!!

No surprise there. Hopefully you will correct that fault and remove that foul impression - revisionist crap from the Adamski case.

Originally posted by Nohup
Maybe because if it did (like it does in a couple of frames), even in a multi-generation copy, it sure looks like it's in front of the trees, rather than behind them. See?
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/ef5d566ea1a44e40.jpg[/atsimg]
Unless the saucer is only a foot or two long, it looks pretty bad.

In that (8 part) documentary Madeline Rodeffer goes in front of the camera and recounts the whole event. She claims till this day it was a large sized UFO and I seem to recall that after they got the film back from the developer they even showed it to government and NASA officials. Gutsy, wouldn't say? Since Madeline Rodeffer's testimony contradicts the model claim, I guess you would have to call her a fraud as well.
And this is the problem apparently. I don't want to sound like Michael Horn but there were (and are) a lot of people who claimed to have witnessed the events as well. Adamski wasn't alone all the time.

Originally posted by TerraX

And the drawings you refer to:
freenet-homepage.de...
Those are incorrect reproductions!!!

No surprise there. Hopefully you will correct that fault and remove that foul impression - revisionist crap from the Adamski case.

Why didn't you quote the rest I said to that?
I know the video is fuzzy but it clearly shows the originals and other drawings!

Originally posted by TerraX

Originally posted by Haunebu
If I did any research? My home is the place where you can find probably the largest collection of stuff that is related to the "Nazi-UFOs" on this entire planet. Did you visit my Youtube Channel???
www.youtube.com...

I looked at your channel and it speaks volumes about your background and possible motives. Some of your material has been banned. You're German and put up a lot of vids about the WW2. You have a tendency to hide behind quotes of other (high-profile) people (in the past) who spoke positively about Hitler and the Third Reich. Combine that with some anti-Isreali clips and it's no wonder why some people call you a (neo) Nazi in the comments section of your channel. Are you one?
And this I discovered already some time ago and warned people frequently about on forums. There are people who jump on the Nazi UFO bandwagon who have alterior motives. I already mentioned Ernst Zundel, there probably are a lot more. I'm talking about people who get great satisfaction restoring the strenght and enigma of Nazi Germany and the Third Reich. Ufology is a means to get that message across and what better way to soften the defeat of the Nazi's by claiming they escaped with superior anti-gravity technology. It's blatant revisionism if you ask me. Fairy tales to make some people feel good.

You are partly right, yes, we want National Socialism and the Reich back!
It is up to this day occupied by the USA!
www.reichsland-bayern.de...

We want to end the NWO, we want Peace, Love and Harmony!

Building for Eternity!

Strength through Unity!

Live in Harmony with Nature.

A worthy Life in harmony for every human and race in their original region

If you consider that it only takes 35 billion to solve the food problem in Africa, isn't it time we end capitalism?

We are New Age National Socialists and our numbers are growing.
We want to get society there where it is supposed to go, up!
We want you to learn to think in a different way.
The Solutions to all Mysteries lay within Germany.
That's the conspiracy!
And that's why Germany is still being portrayed as the roots of all evil by the rest of the world and leading conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones and David Icke.

There is just too much to it to understand this at once, like the Untersberg in Berchtesgaden where I've personally been, just like in the bunkers underneath the eagles nest.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It is not just Free Energy and Antigravity, it concerns also our perception of Illnesses and Medicines.
www.germannewmedicine.ca...

Mind over Matter!

Heil!

Originally posted by TerraX

Originally posted by Nohup
Maybe because if it did (like it does in a couple of frames), even in a multi-generation copy, it sure looks like it's in front of the trees, rather than behind them. See?
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/ef5d566ea1a44e40.jpg[/atsimg]
Unless the saucer is only a foot or two long, it looks pretty bad.

In that (8 part) documentary Madeline Rodeffer goes in front of the camera and recounts the whole event. She claims till this day it was a large sized UFO and I seem to recall that after they got the film back from the developer they even showed it to government and NASA officials. Gutsy, wouldn't say? Since Madeline Rodeffer's testimony contradicts the model claim, I guess you would have to call her a fraud as well.
And this is the problem apparently. I don't want to sound like Michael Horn but there were (and are) a lot of people who claimed to have witnessed the events as well. Adamski wasn't alone all the time.

I recommend to dig into the older UFO Literature, there are many more cases in which the Haunebus have been sighted by credible witnesses like pilots and cops, even with the "Andromeda Gerät"/Mothership.
Just go to a second hand bookstore because there is not much of that stuff that has found its way to the internet.

Originally posted by Haunebu

We want to end the NWO, we want Peace, Love and Harmony!
Building for Eternity!
Strength through Unity!
Live in Harmony with Nature.
A worthy Life in harmony for every human and race in their original region
If you consider that it only takes 35 billion to solve the food problem in Africa, isn't it time we end capitalism?

We are New Age National Socialists and our numbers are growing.
We want to get society there where it is supposed to go, up!
We want you to learn to think in a different way.
The Solutions to all Mysteries lay within Germany.
That's the conspiracy!
And that's why Germany is still being portrayed as the roots of all evil by the rest of the world and leading conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones and David Icke.

There is just too much to it to understand this at once, like the Untersberg in Berchtesgaden where I've personally been, just like in the bunkers underneath the eagles nest.

It is not just Free Energy and Antigravity, it concerns also our perception of Illnesses and Medicines.

Heil!

And a Heil Mary back you!

Some noble sentiments expressed. But covering an awful lot of territory.
Like African hunger being resolved with 35 billion. Many billions are being put towards that end by the capitalist US and elsewhere. But I don't think that's the issue at hand.

With a lot of contact with Germany and German people, I have a lot of respect for their intelligence and culture. I don't get the impression many feel as subjugated as you do. Most seem to feel something went very wrong in the early part of the 20th Century but a very healthy recovery has taken place since.

I don't think Germany is any longer characterized as the roots of all evil except by extreme conspiracists.

Germany has given the world considerable advanced knowledge on what we call alternative medicine and it would be beneficial for us to integrate it more.

Still controversial is how viable the science in development by the Third Reich actually is. I keep an open mind.

But when you say things like "the Solution to all Mysteries lay within Germany" I get worried. It sounds like you're bundling a lot of patriotism and noble sentiments into a spooky propaganda campaign.

And yes it's hard not to hear echoes of a previous era of Germany.

Maybe concentrate on the positive claims of improving health, hunger eradication, and innovative technology without it requiring the nationalism.
As you are so opposed to capitalism, sharing benefits not monopolizing them is the way to improve the quality of life for every one.


Mike

Originally posted by Haunebu
Why didn't you quote the rest I said to that?
I know the video is fuzzy but it clearly shows the originals and other drawings!

I did watch the video and if those were the originals than they were just as crappy as the reproductions, and just as fake. . .

You are partly right, yes, we want National Socialism and the Reich back!
It is up to this day occupied by the USA! We want to end the NWO, we want Peace, Love and Harmony! Building for Eternity! Strength through Unity! Live in Harmony with Nature. A worthy Life in harmony for every human and race in their original region
If you consider that it only takes 35 billion to solve the food problem in Africa, isn't it time we end capitalism? We are New Age National Socialists and our numbers are growing. Heil!

Well it didn't take me long to figure out you're a Nazi symphatiser and why the likes of you would try to hijack and rape the material of the early contactees. Ufology is a means to get the message across using totally fabricated material. I can't tell you how much that disgusts me.

And yeah, National Socialism is remembered for it's peace, love and harmony. . .

Originally posted by mmiichael


I don't think Germany is any longer characterized as the roots of all evil except by extreme conspiracists.

I think not:

Originally posted by mmiichael


Still controversial is how viable the science in development by the Third Reich actually is. I keep an open mind.

That's nice to hear, personally I've seen enough (circumstantial) evidence that has convinced me. How and if they will reveal themselves isn't clear to me yet, I also keep an open mind to many other theories as well but the Nazi UFO "Myth" has been the most conclusive one I've encountered so far.

Originally posted by mmiichael
But when you say things like "the Solution to all Mysteries lay within Germany" I get worried. It sounds like you're bundling a lot of patriotism and noble sentiments into a spooky propaganda campaign.

And yes it's hard not to hear echoes of a previous era of Germany.

Indeed, they lay in Germany and their original inhabitants.
The Land that used to be one of Milk and Honey, with fairy tales, myths, dungeons and dragons.
Ever heard of the Edda???
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by mmiichael
Maybe concentrate on the positive claims of improving health, hunger eradication, and innovative technology without it requiring the nationalism.
As you are so opposed to capitalism, sharing benefits not monopolizing them is the way to improve the quality of life for every one.

Healthy Nationalism is necessary in order to maintain Unity and Order.
I don't think that many ATSers would like to see that if there was a new Tribe discovered in the Amazons, that the Brazilian Government would build a Highway and McDonald's, Subway and others would open up their businesses a little later so the Tribe is part of the worldwide globalisation.
Culture, having a band with the soil you were born and where you live.
Blood and Earth as the "Nazis" said.

Originally posted by Haunebu
That's nice to hear, personally I've seen enough (circumstantial) evidence that has convinced me. How and if they will reveal themselves isn't clear to me yet, I also keep an open mind to many other theories as well but the Nazi UFO "Myth" has been the most conclusive one I've encountered so far.

I think it's the one you prefer because it fits into your ideology. And what circumstantial evidence are you talking about? There's practically nothing in the Adamski and Menger case that points to the contacts being German.

Originally posted by Haunebu

Originally posted by mmiichael
But when you say things like "the Solution to all Mysteries lay within Germany" I get worried. It sounds like you're bundling a lot of patriotism and noble sentiments into a spooky propaganda campaign.

And yes it's hard not to hear echoes of a previous era of Germany.

Indeed, they lay in Germany and their original inhabitants.
The Land that used to be one of Milk and Honey, with fairy tales, myths, dungeons and dragons.

[...]

Healthy Nationalism is necessary in order to maintain Unity and Order.

[...]

Culture, having a band with the soil you were born and where you live.
Blood and Earth as the "Nazis" said.

All honourable sentiments in the spirit of "Deutschland über alles"

Your metaphorical characterization of Germany as "The Land that used to be one of Milk and Honey, with fairy tales, myths, dungeons and dragons"

is charming. But it hits my ears as more as a sentimentalization of childhood rather than a historical nation. Just as the Muslims fantasize of an idealized Caliphate of a thousand years ago or the British might of the days of King Arthur when knighthood was in bloom.

But I don't think many adults actually believe such times were that idyllic and magic filled in actual history. They are realms of the romantic imagination rather than ones on the map.

And for those of us not immersed in Teutonic lore, this just comes of as a saccharine version of the imaginings of the Third Reich.


Mike



[edit on 30-5-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by TerraX

I think it's the one you prefer because it fits into your ideology. And what circumstantial evidence are you talking about? There's practically nothing in the Adamski and Menger case that points to the contacts being German.

Earlier in this thread I referred to this thread:
Hitler, Ayrans, Sumerians. How it all ties in.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Well, take a look at the picture at the backside of Adamski's first book about his Venusians called "Flying Saucers have Landed":
/lrloz5
It clearly depicts Sumerian writing and in the middle is a huge Swastika.

And indeed, it fits within the prolongation of the developments and Ideology within the Third Reich.

Yes, Deutschland Über Alles, but only for the Germans. Every Race, Culture and Nation should be proud on themselves, like "Proud to be an American", I don't see a difference in that. We (the most of the people that have the same Ideology as me) don't hate foreigners, we just hate to see how they disrupt our and their own culture and societies because they are more or less (financially) forced to live on strange soil with which they don't have a band/roots).

There are enough natural resources and we have the Technology to turn this Earth in a High-Tech and peaceful society and we should learn to respect our differences, like we should respect our brothers in space.

Peace!

Originally posted by mmiichael



All honourable sentiments in the spirit of "Deutschland über alles"

Your metaphorical characterization of Germany as "The Land that used to be one of Milk and Honey, with fairy tales, myths, dungeons and dragons"

is charming. But it hits my ears as more as a sentimentalization of childhood rather than a historical nation.
But I don't think many adults actually believe such times were that idyllic and magic filled in actual history. They are realms of the romantic imagination rather than ones on the map.

And for those of us not immersed in Teutonic lore, this just comes of as a saccharine version of the imaginings of the Third Reich.


Mike



[edit on 30-5-2009 by mmiichael]

I disagree on that, the Germanic or Nordic Region is full of Myths and Riddles and I think that many of them refer to a part of history that is being kept secret. There are for example several Tales about people fighting Dragons like Joris:
www.draaksteken.nl...
or Siegfried of Xanten:
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikisource.org...

Kept secret? Yes, I believe so, just like the truth about the Pyramids in Gizeh or like the strange structures found of the Coast of Japan and many, many other anomalies on this Earth.

By the Way. Did you ever hear about the Externsteine?
They lay on the same Latitude as Stonehenge
en.wikipedia.org...

As I said before, there is just too much to it, this Topic could really use a Sub-forum.

Originally posted by Haunebu
Earlier in this thread I referred to this thread:
Hitler, Ayrans, Sumerians. How it all ties in.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

There's a lot that can be said but at this point it's mostly theory. I know that there are possible references in ancient writings and even from contactee information there are hints that ETs might have interferred in our past, it is by no means conclusive. Personally I don't discount the idea, I consider it a work in progress, not a proven concept.

Well, take a look at the picture at the backside of Adamski's first book about his Venusians called "Flying Saucers have Landed":
/lrloz5
It clearly depicts Sumerian writing and in the middle is a huge Swastika.

Well, I'm betting that anything remotely resembling a swastika will get your juices flowing. On a sidenote here, the swastika is an ancient Hindu symbol which the Nazi's used and therefore has such a bad stigma these days in the Western world. You can come across that symbol in temples in the East where it has a totally different interpretation.
Returning to the main issue, I don't see Sumerian writing in that photograph. Here's the Wikipedia article on that;
en.wikipedia.org...
It looks totally different to me. Perhaps you can provide a better link?

With some imagination you can see a (reversed) swastika in that photograph but since it is 'forged' in an apparent figure resembling a flying saucer I can switch on my imagination and interpret it as part of a mechanism. Think 'blender'. It's quite easy to see what you want to see here.
And why would 'they' announce themselves as Germans? Would that really be the tactical thing to do? Remember, it's the 1950s. You really ought to think about that.

Here's a documentary, recently posted on YouTube, where Howard Menger is interviewed.
www.youtube.com...
The guy was in the Army during WW2, don't you think he would have noticed Germans? No, these people are not Germans. They are way ahead.

Originally posted by Haunebu



the Germanic or Nordic Region is full of Myths and Riddles and I think that many of them refer to a part of history that is being kept secret. T

[...]

As I said before, there is just too much to it, this Topic could really use a Sub-forum.

I'll give you this, there is probably a lot of Germanic history and culture little now known to most people. Unfortunately ignored due to the stigma of the Third Reich, Hitler, and the deaths of tens of millions in two World Wars.

I do recommend you be discriminating in separating mythology and actual history. The further back in time one goes, the more they are blended.

Earlier German culture is still a sensitive topic. If you can inform us without it seeming to promote it as inherently superior or a form of vindication or rationalization for actions in the first half of the 20th Century, we'd welcome it.


Mike

Perhaps the encounters Adamski had, indeed were German in their origin after all. That would very much account for their Aryan apparence aswell as the apparence of the ships.
Perhaps they claimed Venus as their origins, simply so that he would not be upset.

That said, Aryan Extraterrestrials exists aswell, so the possibilities could be either one, really.

Originally posted by Nightchild
Perhaps the encounters Adamski had, indeed were German in their origin after all. That would very much account for their Aryan apparence aswell as the apparence of the ships.
Perhaps they claimed Venus as their origins, simply so that he would not be upset.

That said, Aryan Extraterrestrials exists aswell, so the possibilities could be either one, really.

In my whole life, after extensive reading and research, I have seen no convincing evidence of alien intelligences here on Earth or anywhere.

So the blanket statement that there are Aryan Extraterrestrial does not wash with me.

Who are they, where are they, why have most of use not heard about them?


Mike

Originally posted by mmiichael


In my whole life, after extensive reading and research, I have seen no convincing evidence of alien intelligences here on Earth or anywhere.

So the blanket statement that there are Aryan Extraterrestrial does not wash with me.

Who are they, where are they, why have most of use not heard about them?


Mike

Because most of you critics don't dig deep enough into the matter.
The Aryans even appear in the Alien Abduction Phenomenon.


Even in the first and probably best known Abduction Case there were Nazis:



Once you had a real sighting of your own, you don't need more Evidence!

I just watched all of these videos. I was truly amazed with the people speaking. None of them are "alien nerds" or, no name people. All of these people are highly educated and have alot of prestige.

This is another testament to life out of our planet. Star for you!