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Adamski UFO film found
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NAZI TECH ,That's the 1st thing i think about when viewing the adamski footage i'm pretty sure i have even seen the supposed blueprint of how the 3
spheres under the craft work,but then you have the sceptics claiming the whole NAZI saucer stuff is just a myth, created by some die hard Nazi's or
supporters to try and save face about losing the war.
i have always been on the fence with the german saucer topic,it could be true and it is fact about PAPERCLIP so who knows.
maybe the adamski story was part truth and part dis-info,i have a feeling he was involved with an agency like the CIA to act as there spin doctor to a point.whatever the truth George adamski is a big part of ufology.
i have always been on the fence with the german saucer topic,it could be true and it is fact about PAPERCLIP so who knows.
maybe the adamski story was part truth and part dis-info,i have a feeling he was involved with an agency like the CIA to act as there spin doctor to a point.whatever the truth George adamski is a big part of ufology.
Hmm interesting Vid, while ive seen the first clip before and I find it rather unconvincing (crafts to dark, out of focus, sure old tech but the
cameras weren't that bad). The second vid though of the disc buzzing around the trees though is pretty damn good, its got elements to it that most
hoaxers forget, so its either a well thought out hoax film or genuine (I especially like how the camera man tilts the camera near the end to make the
disc appear on less of an angle).
Right now i can reach behind me and pull 2 original print 1950's 'Flying Saucers have landed' and err his other book (looks like someones taken em off the self to read and not put em back ) which my mum owns. It was his books that got her interested in UFO's as a kid and they where also my first delve into UFO's when I was a kid also. While my opinion of Adamski has changed alot over the years its still an interesting case.
My current opinion is like a few others the craft he saw and the people he met werent 'Venusians' but more than likely people with access to the tech either Nazi's themselves or American (or insert any other country you want) reverse engineered Vril discs pretending to be some off world space brothers, for what ever reason such as dis-info. Although why theyd contact him I dont know.
He's either a fake (and a knowledgeable one considering the Vril disks were hardly known about id assume back when he experienced all this), A genuine contactee or hes was being played for a fool for some reason by people with access to some pretty nifty equipment.
What scares me the most is, if the 'Venusians' are in fact Nazi's or have ties with them then that would mean a part of that sick organization really did survive the fall of the Reich and the question begs to be ask'd what the hell have they been doing the last 60 years?
Anyone able to tell me if the Vrill disk stories would have been even known about back at this period of time?. (Although it could be some of the Vrill disk stories and diagrams could have been faked using Adamskis descriptions as a basis for design to discredit him/them or both).
Right now i can reach behind me and pull 2 original print 1950's 'Flying Saucers have landed' and err his other book (looks like someones taken em off the self to read and not put em back ) which my mum owns. It was his books that got her interested in UFO's as a kid and they where also my first delve into UFO's when I was a kid also. While my opinion of Adamski has changed alot over the years its still an interesting case.
My current opinion is like a few others the craft he saw and the people he met werent 'Venusians' but more than likely people with access to the tech either Nazi's themselves or American (or insert any other country you want) reverse engineered Vril discs pretending to be some off world space brothers, for what ever reason such as dis-info. Although why theyd contact him I dont know.
He's either a fake (and a knowledgeable one considering the Vril disks were hardly known about id assume back when he experienced all this), A genuine contactee or hes was being played for a fool for some reason by people with access to some pretty nifty equipment.
What scares me the most is, if the 'Venusians' are in fact Nazi's or have ties with them then that would mean a part of that sick organization really did survive the fall of the Reich and the question begs to be ask'd what the hell have they been doing the last 60 years?
Anyone able to tell me if the Vrill disk stories would have been even known about back at this period of time?. (Although it could be some of the Vrill disk stories and diagrams could have been faked using Adamskis descriptions as a basis for design to discredit him/them or both).
reply to post by Haunebu
Yes, who are the Vril society? -- I'd like to hear more about them.
It's starting to become evident to me that Adamski may have been involved with this Vril society, was able to perhaps capture some footage, and subsequently built a story around the footage, perhaps influenced by the CIA to distort the true story whilst discrediting UFOlogy in one blow, thus hitting two birds with one stone.
It gets down to this -- are you convinced that Adamski's tale of meeting with Venusians is true? -- I certainly am not
Regards,
Yes, who are the Vril society? -- I'd like to hear more about them.
It's starting to become evident to me that Adamski may have been involved with this Vril society, was able to perhaps capture some footage, and subsequently built a story around the footage, perhaps influenced by the CIA to distort the true story whilst discrediting UFOlogy in one blow, thus hitting two birds with one stone.
It gets down to this -- are you convinced that Adamski's tale of meeting with Venusians is true? -- I certainly am not
Regards,
Originally posted by keepithush
Possibly the most unconvincing ufo on film.
You can see clearly it is a small object dangled in front of the camera.
Hasnt this been debunked here already?
Your eyes and common sense are to be trusted, looks like one of Billy's vids.
Perhaps. But, what about those filmed sky formations taken from a train? I was impressed with that!
reply to post by Extralien
Yes, but he is correct and he took the words right out of my mouth.
The craft looks manmade, and if you look at the pictures his video is a dead ringer for the nazi craft. Yes he filmed something real, but what he filmed was made by human hands. Did the design come from a non human source? perhaps, but the craft itself looks manmade.
Yes, but he is correct and he took the words right out of my mouth.
The craft looks manmade, and if you look at the pictures his video is a dead ringer for the nazi craft. Yes he filmed something real, but what he filmed was made by human hands. Did the design come from a non human source? perhaps, but the craft itself looks manmade.
reply to post by keepithush
I so totally agree. Adamski is pretty much viewed as one of the greatest fakers of all time. I'm somewhat surprised to even see this on
here. For me it wasn't only the unbelievability of the appearence of his crafts, but the amount of them. He has far too many sightings. Then he
started to talk about how they were talking to him and that pretty much made me discredit him. I just couldn't believe him about his 'space
brothers' who loved to take him for rides.
I would encourage anyone who is interested in the subject of Nazi UFO's and technology to read Joseph Farrell's the SS Brotherhood of the Bell and
Jim Marrs Rise of the 4th Reich. If you don't like to read, please check out the interviews below....
Joseph Farrell's SS Brotherhood of the Bell
www.youtube.com...
Jim Marrs - Rise of the 4th Reich
www.youtube.com...
Also I found this interesting as well.......nobody has still been able to tell me where the footage at 1:30 seconds comes from. I do understand that maybe most of these pictures are fake but....again what I am questioning is the footage at 1:30 seconds.. notice the Nazi salutes off to the right of the screen....this doesn't look like the AVRO car either...
www.youtube.com...
I know I have said it before on her but for some reason it seems easier for people to believe in Aliens, than it is to believe that another government was more advanced than the United States let alone the Nazi's. If the Bell or other advanced tech existed, I would think that they had a back up plan and Germany wasn't the only placed that housed bases.
Joseph Farrell's SS Brotherhood of the Bell
www.youtube.com...
Jim Marrs - Rise of the 4th Reich
www.youtube.com...
Also I found this interesting as well.......nobody has still been able to tell me where the footage at 1:30 seconds comes from. I do understand that maybe most of these pictures are fake but....again what I am questioning is the footage at 1:30 seconds.. notice the Nazi salutes off to the right of the screen....this doesn't look like the AVRO car either...
www.youtube.com...
I know I have said it before on her but for some reason it seems easier for people to believe in Aliens, than it is to believe that another government was more advanced than the United States let alone the Nazi's. If the Bell or other advanced tech existed, I would think that they had a back up plan and Germany wasn't the only placed that housed bases.
reply to post by NephraTari
"The craft looks manmade, and if you look at the pictures his video is a dead ringer for the nazi craft. Yes he filmed something real, but what he filmed was made by human hands. Did the design come from a non human source? perhaps, but the craft itself looks manmade."
Is it possible that the craft in the footage is the actual experiment itself conducted back during WWII projecting itself to us at the moment the photo was taken? Or footage whatever the case may be?
I agree with you 100% that the "manmade" craft in the photo looks just like the NAZI photos I've seen in other pics. So maybe it is the NAZIs poking their heads into our reality at just that moment. Just wondering...
"The craft looks manmade, and if you look at the pictures his video is a dead ringer for the nazi craft. Yes he filmed something real, but what he filmed was made by human hands. Did the design come from a non human source? perhaps, but the craft itself looks manmade."
Is it possible that the craft in the footage is the actual experiment itself conducted back during WWII projecting itself to us at the moment the photo was taken? Or footage whatever the case may be?
I agree with you 100% that the "manmade" craft in the photo looks just like the NAZI photos I've seen in other pics. So maybe it is the NAZIs poking their heads into our reality at just that moment. Just wondering...
Originally posted by Nightchild
Originally posted by keepithush
Possibly the most unconvincing ufo on film.
You can see clearly it is a small object dangled in front of the camera.
Hasnt this been debunked here already?
Your eyes and common sense are to be trusted, looks like one of Billy's vids.
They said in the documentary, that it had been investigated thoroughly by experts and been found to not be faked, nor being objects "dangled" in front of the camera. Further, they said that no-one have been able to debunk it so far.
Oh, so since they say its real, then its real? I'm sorry, but Adamski was proven the biggest faker of all time. Going on lots of trips with beings he called "space brothers". I'm sorry, but those two guys and especially the gentleman who can barely speak english do not make me believe them.
I also think that most of us have seen the video of the man who made a ufo and filmed it, then took it to a professional who claimed it was real. It is EASY to be mislead in this field.
Until beings plop down in DC and speak to the world you are going to have doubt some of these people in these videos.
For Pete's sake, Adamski said they were from Venus! That right there proves its a fake to me. No being could survive the pressures and heat on that planet.
I apologize for sounding mad, I just hate people who play on people's weaknesses and fantasies to make a name, not to mention money, for themselves. Gentlemen... George Adamski!
The interesting phenomenon in the last few years is really old guys being tracked down by professional UFO hunters and coming out of the closet.
Not huge but considerable money in a new sub-industry looking for anything on UFOs and alien contacts now. And unlike the old days when it was considered lunatic fringe, it's now practically respectable.
So a very old Col Corso, a Roswell fireman and others from back then, and Adamski's old buddy suddenly remember and want to talk about it - after more than half a century. Some prompting from the interviewers and an opportunity late in life for some fleeting celebrity attention may be factors.
It was interesting when Stanton Friedman contacted Jesse Marcel about Roswell in the late 70s. Marcel didn't remember much or even what year it happened. Within no time he was extemporizing on his involvement including details that have later shown to be impossible, and his own fabrications.
Kenneth Arnold, who started it all as a pilot spotting an Unidentified Flying Object as a pilot in 1947, was having repeat performances after the UFO community started lavishing him with attention.
Notably Adamski's filmed UFO conforms to vintage 1950s unstreamlined style models. Presumably the aliens who may travel thousands of years somehow arrive in models from their home planet that look like they are from the same generation of technology we are in at any time. The aliens seem to always look and act like the way popular culture imagines them at any time.
Somehow the only evidence is the testimony of those synchronistically in repeated contact with extraterrestrials and their latest model vehicles, or some easily produced footage that smack of uninspired contrivance.
One starts to wonder.
Mike
[edit on 24-5-2009 by mmiichael]
Not huge but considerable money in a new sub-industry looking for anything on UFOs and alien contacts now. And unlike the old days when it was considered lunatic fringe, it's now practically respectable.
So a very old Col Corso, a Roswell fireman and others from back then, and Adamski's old buddy suddenly remember and want to talk about it - after more than half a century. Some prompting from the interviewers and an opportunity late in life for some fleeting celebrity attention may be factors.
It was interesting when Stanton Friedman contacted Jesse Marcel about Roswell in the late 70s. Marcel didn't remember much or even what year it happened. Within no time he was extemporizing on his involvement including details that have later shown to be impossible, and his own fabrications.
Kenneth Arnold, who started it all as a pilot spotting an Unidentified Flying Object as a pilot in 1947, was having repeat performances after the UFO community started lavishing him with attention.
Notably Adamski's filmed UFO conforms to vintage 1950s unstreamlined style models. Presumably the aliens who may travel thousands of years somehow arrive in models from their home planet that look like they are from the same generation of technology we are in at any time. The aliens seem to always look and act like the way popular culture imagines them at any time.
Somehow the only evidence is the testimony of those synchronistically in repeated contact with extraterrestrials and their latest model vehicles, or some easily produced footage that smack of uninspired contrivance.
One starts to wonder.
Mike
[edit on 24-5-2009 by mmiichael]
Oh my Divine One.
By far most authentic and comepeling UFO footage I have encountered on the vast world wide interweb.
7:40, There is not a single way I can debunk the speed and authenticity of such a magnificent entity!
-Psycho
By far most authentic and comepeling UFO footage I have encountered on the vast world wide interweb.
7:40, There is not a single way I can debunk the speed and authenticity of such a magnificent entity!
-Psycho
Originally posted by Alienmojo[/i
For Pete's sake, Adamski said they were from Venus! That right there proves its a fake to me. No being could survive the pressures and heat on that planet.
I don't think human like aliens could be walking around on the surface, but there very well could be alien bases or cities underneath the Venusian clouds.
If an advanced species can travel between planets, I'd imagine they have the technology to build homes in almost any environment they choose, except the inside of a star or black hole.
The video in the OP mentions an FOIA document from the Air Force proving a UFO incident occurred in Adamski's town, on the date of one of his alleged sightings. I tend to agree with Leslie, many of Adamski's journies may have been astral or psychic in nature, not physical. The videos are impressive IMO. I know the authorities took his claims seriously.
Originally posted by mmiichael
It was interesting when Stanton Friedman contacted Jesse Marcel about Roswell in the late 70s. Marcel didn't remember much or even what year it happened. Within no time he was extemporizing on his involvement including details that have later shown to be impossible, and his own fabrications.
General Thomas DuBose admitted to inventing the balloon story, on orders from General Clements McMullen of Strategic Air Command in DC. Roswell happened, deal with it.
Originally posted by Schaden
General Thomas DuBose admitted to inventing the balloon story, on orders from General Clements McMullen of Strategic Air Command in DC. Roswell happened, deal with it.
I wasn't there, presumably you weren't either.
The best eyewitness to what exactly fell out of the sky at a farm near near Roswell is the 14 year old girl, Bessie Brazel, who picked up by hand the critical wreckage in question with her father.
Conveniently swept under the rug by Friedman, et al, according to her testimony:
www.roswellfiles.com...
"The debris looked like pieces of a large balloon which had burst. The pieces were small, the largest I remember measuring about the same as the diameter of a basketball. Most of it was a kind of double-sided material, foil-like on one side and rubber-like on the other... Sticks, like kite sticks, were attacked to some of the pieces with a whitish tape. The tape was about two or three inches wide and had flower-like designs on it. The 'flowers' were faint, a variety of pastel colors... The foil-rubber material could not be torn like ordinary aluminum foil... I do not recall anything else about the strength or other properties of what we picked up. We spent several hours collecting the debris and putting it into sacks. I believe we filled about three sacks... We speculated a bit about what the material could be. I remember dad (Mac Brazel) saying 'Oh, it's just a bunch of garbage.' "
When Bessie was shown the November/December 1990 issue of the International UFO Reporter (IUR), Pages 6, 7, and 8 of that issue showed the Roswell photographs. She later wrote:
"The debris shown does look like the debris we picked up."
(Jan 10, 1994 letter from Bessie Brazel Schrieber)
Even [Ufologist] Randle admits that those photographs are of ML-307 radar target(s) and weather sounding balloon(s).
So the debris from a supposed crashed alien spaceship looks exactly like ML-307 radar targets and weather sounding balloons!
I tend to believe firsthand eyewitnesses with no vested interests, and photographic evidence, as opposed to people who make a living promoting themselves as experts on alien visitations.
Deal with it, as the saying goes.
Mike
[edit on 25-5-2009 by mmiichael]
Originally posted by mmiichael
Originally posted by Schaden
General Thomas DuBose admitted to inventing the balloon story, on orders from General Clements McMullen of Strategic Air Command in DC. Roswell happened, deal with it.
I wasn't there, presumably you weren't either.
The best eyewitness to what exactly fell out of the sky at a farm near near Roswell is the 14 year old girl, Bessie Brazel, who picked up by hand the critical wreckage in question with her father.
Conveniently swept under the rug by Friedman, et al, according to her testimony:
www.roswellfiles.com...
"The debris looked like pieces of a large balloon which had burst. The pieces were small, the largest I remember measuring about the same as the diameter of a basketball. Most of it was a kind of double-sided material, foil-like on one side and rubber-like on the other... Sticks, like kite sticks, were attacked to some of the pieces with a whitish tape. The tape was about two or three inches wide and had flower-like designs on it. The 'flowers' were faint, a variety of pastel colors... The foil-rubber material could not be torn like ordinary aluminum foil... I do not recall anything else about the strength or other properties of what we picked up. We spent several hours collecting the debris and putting it into sacks. I believe we filled about three sacks... We speculated a bit about what the material could be. I remember dad (Mac Brazel) saying 'Oh, it's just a bunch of garbage.' "
When Bessie was shown the November/December 1990 issue of the International UFO Reporter (IUR), Pages 6, 7, and 8 of that issue showed the Roswell photographs. She later wrote:
"The debris shown does look like the debris we picked up."
(Jan 10, 1994 letter from Bessie Brazel Schrieber)
Even [Ufologist] Randle admits that those photographs are of ML-307 radar target(s) and weather sounding balloon(s).
So the debris from a supposed crashed alien spaceship looks exactly like ML-307 radar targets and weather sounding balloons!
I tend to believe firsthand eyewitnesses with no vested interests, and photographic evidence, as opposed to people who make a living promoting themselves as experts on alien visitations.
Deal with it, as the saying goes.
Mike
[edit on 25-5-2009 by mmiichael]
Thanx for finding that..
Reminds me of the deathbed confession and stories that seemed to grow and grow with passage of time, from no bodies, to a body, to a mass grave, figuratively speaking. Whats left out at the time of the deathbed confession were the plans for a multimilliondollar UFO museum that was in the works if you visit their site.
roswellufomuseum.com...
Not to mention his early grudge and departure from the military.
impeached friends..witnesses etc.
I doubt it and the cottage industry around this whole thing would be very happy if anything other than ets was referenced.
Now I do find the weapons and technology races that transpired absolutely fascinating, and may have included these bell shaped craft, during that period of time., but I remember also palpable fear of espionage , and one upsmanship going on at the time.., It was a good motive for anykind of cover story to be used on anything classified.
If the OSS later CIA could use the mafia, to win Italy, I don't see why they could not use skilled con artists or hoaxters to win a cold war. Its probably done today I am sure..
[edit on 25-5-2009 by Sys_Config]
reply to post by mmiichael
The Roswell case -- it's brought up all the time.
www.roswellfiles.com...
The Roswell case -- it's brought up all the time.
Since Mac Brazel had collected one or two weather balloons before the crash in question, Bessie may simply be associating one of those with it. What's important is that her presence within the critical time frame cannot be corroborated, and her testimony cannot be considered conclusive.
www.roswellfiles.com...
It may not be conclusive, as neither the story is, but its a material witness at the scene, who spent time with the principal, and therefore highly
probative.
Besides that, this is about Adamski, and my comment is to shed a clearer and broader picture of the times then to now, and why both hoaxing and disinfo would very well within the realm of plausibility.
You can't disuss that story to bolster this story, without including testimony like that girls in the other if we are to be as accurate as possible.
[edit on 25-5-2009 by Sys_Config]
Besides that, this is about Adamski, and my comment is to shed a clearer and broader picture of the times then to now, and why both hoaxing and disinfo would very well within the realm of plausibility.
You can't disuss that story to bolster this story, without including testimony like that girls in the other if we are to be as accurate as possible.
[edit on 25-5-2009 by Sys_Config]
Originally posted by Extralien
did he really meet the 'venusians'... Were they just a decoy from the fact that these craft were back engineered from captured German craft after WW2?
Or was all this set up in order to ridicule the entire subject whilst real things were going on?
well, one of the interesting features of the "nazi ufo lore" or what have you, is that originally the plans for the flying disks came from a group of female mystics
these female mystics were part of the Vril society, and they "channeled" alien messages supposedly, and that is where the blueprints of the disks were derived
not surprisingly, the story goes on to say that Hitler was quite fascinated with all of this stuff, as he was deeply into occult etc
but yes i agree the whole entire Adamski affair could have just as well have been disinfo planted right under our noses
[edit on 25-5-2009 by muzzleflash]
Originally posted by Majorion
reply to post by mmiichael
The Roswell case -- it's brought up all the time.
Since Mac Brazel had collected one or two weather balloons before the crash in question, Bessie may simply be associating one of those with it. What's important is that her presence within the critical time frame cannot be corroborated, and her testimony cannot be considered conclusive.
www.roswellfiles.com...
Anything is possible, even alien mind control.
In the wake of WWII, and at the height of the new Cold War, an event in 1947 was notable as an over-excited military briefly thought they might have discovered something critical to national security. Very recently in the news had been an unexplained sighting by pilot the Kenneth Arnold. It was classified as as an Unidentified Flying Object, and some even conjectured it might be from outer space.
Then after an anti-climactic denouement, it was forgotten about for 3 decades. But if you're an unemployed low level physicist interested in UFOs, like Friedman, it can represent a modest goldmine and a whole career. A judicious presentation of the documentation, pruning and embellishing data, suggestive prompting of witnesses, etc..
Going back to original and unbiased sources, only some weather balloon debris was found with no tangible evidence of anything unusual or unworldly. Even in the 60s compiled lists of the best documented UFO cases did not mention it.
But as the story has bloomed with pop culture attention since the 80s, demonstrably unreliable witnesses and dubious documents keep springing up.
There has been full disclosure of extant military records confirming experimental high-altitude surveillance balloons from a then classified program. The more science fiction oriented and conspiracy minded dismiss this, of course, as part of some massive cover-up.
Some actually believe the biggest story in all human history, contact with another intelligence, is successfully being concealed. And by the American military who can't even hide what they do in their own out of country detention camps.
That's the hardest part to accept.
Mike
[edit on 25-5-2009 by mmiichael]
Also I found this interesting as well.......nobody has still been able to tell me where the footage at 1:30 seconds comes from. I do understand that maybe most of these pictures are fake but....again what I am questioning is the footage at 1:30 seconds.. notice the Nazi salutes off to the right of the screen....this doesn't look like the AVRO car either...
www.youtube.com...
That footage has been taken from this video:
[edit on 25-5-2009 by Haunebu]
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