Adamski UFO film found

-off to buy some plates and fishing line.. Vids will only be $24.95 for ATS members, buy a vid today and get the book for free! *edit make that $24.95 for a limited time. Gravy train here I come!

[edit on 25-5-2009 by contemplator]

[edit on 25-5-2009 by contemplator]

Originally posted by BigfootNZ


What scares me the most is, if the 'Venusians' are in fact Nazi's or have ties with them then that would mean a part of that sick organization really did survive the fall of the Reich and the question begs to be ask'd what the hell have they been doing the last 60 years?

Anyone able to tell me if the Vrill disk stories would have been even known about back at this period of time?. (Although it could be some of the Vrill disk stories and diagrams could have been faked using Adamskis descriptions as a basis for design to discredit him/them or both).

Well, winner writes History, in my opinion the Germans were fighting the NWO.
I recommend to watch this US propaganda film from 1943:
www.liveleak.com...
I miss a significant part.

And yes, Nazi UFOs have been in the media before Adamski's sightings.
Here an German article from 1950
freenet-homepage.de...
"The Miracle of Schweinfurt, German Saucers destroyed 145 flying fortresses"

The New York Times reported about them in 1944:
select.nytimes.com...
Full article:
/qcbccr


[edit on 25-5-2009 by Haunebu]

[edit on 25-5-2009 by Haunebu]

I live in Silver Spring. I have witnessed ufo's but damn I WISH one could be that close to me. Looks madd fake whole time

Originally posted by Majorion
reply to post by Haunebu

 

Yes, who are the Vril society? -- I'd like to hear more about them.

It's starting to become evident to me that Adamski may have been involved with this Vril society, was able to perhaps capture some footage, and subsequently built a story around the footage, perhaps influenced by the CIA to distort the true story whilst discrediting UFOlogy in one blow, thus hitting two birds with one stone.

It gets down to this -- are you convinced that Adamski's tale of meeting with Venusians is true? -- I certainly am not

Regards,

Hahaha, one German once said,
"Who says he knows doesn't know and who does now doesn't talk"
I've spent the last six years to solve this mystery and I've found lots of stuff that suggests that our perception of Nazi Germany has been manipulated.
I don't know which Propaganda Movie it was, but at some point they claim the Pyramids at Gizeh were build 10,500 BC. They had expeditions to all parts of the world in order to gather ancient wisdom and knowledge and found some remarkable stuff in India, the well known Vimanas.
It is also pretty unknown that the Germans were concerned about the environment and nature.
Kraft durch Freude - Strength trough Joy
The National Socialists wanted to obtain Happiness and Joy for their People in harmony with Nature and not by suppression. The laws and rules were tough, indeed, but people are like children, you have to raise them well.
And how do you raise a child in a decent way?

I have now seen the famous German leader and also something of the great change he has effected. "Whatever one may think of his methods - and they are certainly not those of a parliamentary country, there can be no doubt that he has achieved a marvelous transformation in the spirit of the people, in their attitude towards each other, and in their social and economic outlook. He rightly claimed at Nuremberg that in four years his movement had made a new Germany. It is not the Germany of the first decade that followed the war - broken, dejected and bowed down with a sense of apprehension and impotence. It is now full of hope and confidence, and of a renewed sense of determination to lead its own life without interference from any influence outside its own frontiers. There is for the first time since the war a general sense of security. The people are more cheerful. There is a greater sense of general gaiety of spirit throughout the land. It is a happier Germany. I saw it everywhere, and Englishmen I met during my trip and who knew Germany well were very impressed with the change. One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic and dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, as resolute will and a dauntless heart. He is not merely in name but in fact the national Leader. He has made them safe against potential enemies by whom they were surrounded. He is also securing them against the constant dread of starvation which is one of the most poignant memories of the last years of the War and the first years of the Peace. Over 700,000 died of sheer hunger in those dark years. You can still see the effect in the physique of those who were born into that bleak world.


David Lloyd George, Daily Express, September 17. 1936

this film is "LOST" only if you call him in the wrong name
you can find him by his real title "UFOs the contacts"

If this was a hoax I'd like to know how the apparent shape-changing of the right side of the vehicle was achieved. If anyone can explain this satisfactorily I'm more than willing to believe this was a hoax. Until then a question mark remains over this case in my mind.

Apologies for going off-topic but just wanted to ask mmiichael a question:

Originally posted by mmiichael

Even [Ufologist] Randle admits that those photographs are of ML-307 radar target(s) and weather sounding balloon(s).

So the debris from a supposed crashed alien spaceship looks exactly like ML-307 radar targets and weather sounding balloons!

[edit on 25-5-2009 by mmiichael]

If the debris was from a ML-307 radar target why is the official USAF position that this was part of a Project Moghul balloon? I understand that early moghul balloons were actually clusters of weather balloons. If this was the case in Roswell you might expect to read descriptions of partially inflated balloons as wouldn't it be unlikely for all balloons in the cluster to burst simultaneously? (source).

The later moghul balloons were made of polythene which sounds nothing like Bessie's description nor anyone else's that I'm aware of. Finally Bessie's description differ's so much from that of Jesse Marcel Jr that it's seems clear that they are describing two separate things. It also seems strange that a 14 year old girl could quickly identify the wreckage as a balloon but that this assessment was beyond the ability of a USAF Intelligence Officer as well as that of the base Commanding Officer.

anyone notice how UFO films and pics like this have evolved over the years. You can even see how the hoaxers are using the metals of that era and the design influences of that era are written all over the object. It's like ...oh wow! this footage from the 60's is incredible! ...all the while the craft looks suspiciously like a 1960's classic car or 1960's kitchen appliance.. then we get into the 80's and they have that modern ET, close encounters look.. the ETs have upgraded! Now we have crazy CGI drones and what not. So.. if someone were to post a film from the 50's with a 2008 high end looking cgi drone I would be pretty convinced but....

Originally posted by contemplator
anyone notice how UFO films and pics like this have evolved over the years. You can even see how the hoaxers are using the metals of that era and the design influences of that era are written all over the object. It's like ...oh wow! this footage from the 60's is incredible! ...all the while the craft looks suspiciously like a 1960's classic car or 1960's kitchen appliance.. then we get into the 80's and they have that modern ET, close encounters look.. the ETs have upgraded! Now we have crazy CGI drones and what not. So.. if someone were to post a film from the 50's with a 2008 high end looking cgi drone I would be pretty convinced but....

That's because the Identified Flying Objects in this thread are man made and designs from the 40s.

Originally posted by Haunebu

Originally posted by contemplator
anyone notice how UFO films and pics like this have evolved over the years. You can even see how the hoaxers are using the metals of that era and the design influences of that era are written all over the object. It's like ...oh wow! this footage from the 60's is incredible! ...all the while the craft looks suspiciously like a 1960's classic car or 1960's kitchen appliance.. then we get into the 80's and they have that modern ET, close encounters look.. the ETs have upgraded! Now we have crazy CGI drones and what not. So.. if someone were to post a film from the 50's with a 2008 high end looking cgi drone I would be pretty convinced but....

That's because the Identified Flying Objects in this thread are man made and designs from the 40s.

But people in this thread truly believe they are real alien craft. It blows my mind.

reply to post by contemplator


Some, yes, but most of them agree they were German design.
Some doubt if they are flown by the USA or the Germans, believe me, they are German!




[edit on 25-5-2009 by Haunebu]

By the way, has anyone the film "SPACE CITIES" made by Randolph Winters? Please read this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Extralien


The classic saucer shape reminds me of the Vril disks or Hanebu allegedly developed by the germans during ww2. You can read more about them here: www.matrix-2001.cz...

Say there was a slight possibility that the Nazis did come up with some sort of antigravity tech that they used in experimental aircraft like this Vril disk. Well all know about the nazi bell, operation paperclip (the migration of german and nazi scientists, studies, results and technology to the US), the V2s, Peenemunde, von Braun and NASA etc. The nazis also made extensive research on archeology, ancient texts and also did thorough expeditions to India and Tibet collecting all sort of esoteric stuff and artefacts (wiki Ahnenerbe en.wikipedia.org...).

wiki Peenemunde
en.wikipedia.org...
wiki Paperclip
en.wikipedia.org...
forum discussion on India and the VRIL1
www.india-forum.com...

The film was shot in the US but perhaps it was german built ufos, meh.


[edit on 2009/5/25 by reugen]

reply to post by contemplator


I've yet to see a UFO pic that looks like a car. Which ones are you talking about?

reply to post by contemplator


Lets say the first real working prototypes were built in the 1930-1940s and has been improved since then? Its another way to think of it.

One of the best threads I've read in ages!

Just like to say thanks for the links, definitely will be delving into this.

Personally my take on the spiritual mediums in contact with 'alien' entities is something I do not believe. Dont get me wrong, they are in contact and are given information, just I dont believe they are 'alien' in origin, ie. little green or grey men, but wicked spiritual forces in high places.

The whole area of the Nephilim who appear in Genesis is an interesting topic, and one that makes a whole lot of sense to me personally. Not wanting to derail the thread, and especially not wanting to argue nor turn this into a religious debate at all. Just a differing view on one aspect of the subject.

I too agree that UFO's are of earthly origin. Maybe not the design, or the idea's behind them, but definitely man-made craft.
Some really fantastic information here from Haunebu (I also bookmarked your youtube chan)

Cheers.

reply to post by Nightchild


Good one!I have to giggle at the so called ATS experts who think saying somethings debunked here actually means anything!

I have seen this vid before on TV and some good images from this clip in one of Timothy Goods books.

Dont know realy what to think of Adamski,I personly get the impression he did film alien craft early on and when the cult grew around him he later fabricated sightings to keep his status.There are a fair few images that look childish in their make up,and there are others that look like the real deal!

Good post OP

Originally posted by Majorion

But I have to say; his story sounds really bogus to me. I mean, meeting with 'Venusians' in the Nevada desert? -- That just doesn't cut it for me. It's akin to Billy Meier and Carlos Diaz.

I agree with your perspective Maj. I've always had BIG problems with Adamski's alleged UFO footage. Even as a child I remember saying to my father, "that's just a cut-out on a string swinging from a tree branch".

Adamski's UFO's are possibly the worst hoax footage I have ever seen in my life. In fact I will go as far as saying it's a plain insult to the intelligence. That's why George is in my signature below.

IRM

[edit on 25/5/09 by InfaRedMan]

I have an idea ...

I don't know much about this story but here is what I propose based on what I have read so far.

Nazis developed this flying disc.

The film is genuine. Taken of the same type disc then in US hands. (no aliens)

Either he was CIA and came out with the ridiculous story and such to go along with his authentic film to discredit the UFO community. Since the majority think it is fake, but the true believers think the footage is real.

OR

The "venusians" that came out of the disc were CIA and told him this bogus story so that he would help discredit the UFO community with his "real" but outrageuous claims.

edit: the only reason I say the film is genuine is that it has been studied by so many experts that say it is authentic. I am not an expert so I will defer my judgment. Also why is it so hard to believe the object in the film could be real when we know an identical craft was developed by the Nazis a decade before. The only thing that sound bogus is his claims about ""venusians".



[edit on 25-5-2009 by 2 cents]

Originally posted by 2 cents
The only thing that sound bogus is his claims about ""venusians".

What you must realise is that back in the days when Adamski made these claims, people believed it was possible for races to be living on Venus and Mars. The story was, in essence, unfalsifiable.

However we've moved on since then and we realise that life simply cannot be sustained on Venus - and this leads us to look at what is the most likely truth.

A) That aliens lied to Adamski making him the butt of a cosmic joke?
B) That Adamski make the whole thing up!

The answer is obvious to me at least. All it takes is one lie for someone to loose their whole credibility and Adamski is certainly guilty of that.

IRM

reply to post by InfaRedMan


There is also the possiblity that Adamski was involved with a group who told him to say that he met these people.

To be honest, for its time, these were all very bold statements to make. By saying it all, he took on a big risk against all the religions of the time. If you consider how the governments have continually covered up such related topics, who are they protecting? the people? themselves? control over the people or protecting religion and its financial backbone/support?

Adamski may very well have had many a death threat from some deeply religious people. If he did, who was protecting him?

We forget how easy it is today to walk out into the street and proclaim we've seen ufo's or met with ET... We are not surrounded by a majority group anymore. We have a far broader spectrum in relation to our beliefs down to an individual basis.

In the 50's, the only safe place to go talking about UFO's and aliens was in the cinema... Even today, some people are so deeply religious that the mere mention of extra terrestrial life is an insult to God...

go figure...