FBI Blows It: Supposed Terror Plot Against NY Synagogues Is Bogus

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
I would prefer a messiah that had a better taste in cars. I mean I would at least want my Messiah to have a taste for BMW's and Mercede's, not 70's muscle cars.

Right on! Muscle cars are great off the line, but there's nothing like a well-engineered German car for handling in the curves.

Oh wait, we're getting off-topic. Oops.

Originally posted by dashen

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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So just tell me how would you have handled the Branch Davidians? Would you just let them kill your friends and then say oh we forgive you go about your way of following your fake Jesus?

[edit on 5/24/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Who did the Branch Davidians ever kill? They were a weird perverted cult, yes. Stockpiling guns, probably legally, yes. The FBI fired the first shot, and tossed in indcediary devices. I would have played obnoxious music from giant speakers, then flooded the joint with tear gas if all else failed. But burn the bugger down? The FBI has its function and I am sure that they have solved a great many crimes. But they have overstepped their bounds far too often and have murdered innocent civilians on American soil with no accountability or oversight.

Who did the Branch Davidians ever kill? Did you miss the begining where they killed a few FBI agents. For having those guns in storage they sure did pull them out fast when the gunfire broke out. If they would have just followed the law in the first place and submitted to the search warrant no one would have died. You dont gun people down over a search warrant unless you have something to hide.

The FBI tossed in tear gas. The Branch Davidians torches their own fuel supplies, not unlike Jim Jones fed a bumch of people poison Kool-Aid. The FBI spent a ton of money blasting music at them, negotiating, etc. As a taxpayer, I thought that was kind of a waste. You either comply with the law or not. If you dont come out willingly, then you must be brought out by force. If you die resisting arrest, it is no ones fault but your own.

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Yeah that is why I struggle with Christianity. It is just hard when your Messiah drives a donkey. Couldnt he have at least borrowed a race horse?

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude

Originally posted by dashen

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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Who did the Branch Davidians ever kill? Did you miss the begining where they killed a few FBI agents. For having those guns in storage they sure did pull them out fast when the gunfire broke out. If they would have just followed the law in the first place and submitted to the search warrant no one would have died. You dont gun people down over a search warrant unless you have something to hide.

The FBI tossed in tear gas. The Branch Davidians torches their own fuel supplies, not unlike Jim Jones fed a bumch of people poison Kool-Aid. The FBI spent a ton of money blasting music at them, negotiating, etc. As a taxpayer, I thought that was kind of a waste. You either comply with the law or not. If you dont come out willingly, then you must be brought out by force. If you die resisting arrest, it is no ones fault but your own.

Except, how do you know that is how it happened? Oh yea, the ever faithful FBI told us so. But truthfully the whole Waco thing was dirty all over and there probably was no nice way to figure it all out peacefully. But this new terror plot has set-up written all over it.

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LOL, yeah the FBI got four of their people killed just so they could frame the Branch Davidians. So what you are saying is that there were a bunch of nut cases in a cult and they werent bothering anybody or breaking any laws, but somehow the FBI found out about them, decided to get a search warrant, just so they could go there, get some of their friends killed, just to kill an insane man and his insane followers who lived in a crazy house and were self contained and didnt need a keeper or cost the taxpayer money to house them in a looney bin? Right!

AND George Bush and Dick Cheney pulled off the greatest illusion ever, ever, ever.. to invade two countries, one of which only has Opium as anything we would want. So I guess he could blow up two building and kill thousands of people WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT, just to have an excuse to get something he could have grown here. So he could pull of the greatest crime ever, but wasnt smart enough to think he could grow opium somewhere in the USA without getting caught.

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You are totally right, except for two minor roadblocks to your philosophy.

1) Generally, the Constitution of the United States.

2) Specifically, the Second Amendment.

Originally posted by whitewolf60
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You are totally right, except for two minor roadblocks to your philosophy.

1) Generally, the Constitution of the United States.

2) Specifically, the Second Amendment.

I dont understand how that makes me wrong. Can you explain? I know that you guys are real good at seeing a few minor points and stringing them into an elaborate conspiracy, but I am not as gifted in that area and so I need you to fill in the blanks. Thanks in advance

[edit on 5/24/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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LOL, yeah the FBI got four of their people killed just so they could frame the Branch Davidians. So what you are saying is that there were a bunch of nut cases in a cult and they werent bothering anybody or breaking any laws, but somehow the FBI found out about them, decided to get a search warrant, just so they could go there, get some of their friends killed, just to kill an insane man and his insane followers who lived in a crazy house and were self contained and didnt need a keeper or cost the taxpayer money to house them in a looney bin? Right!

AND George Bush and Dick Cheney pulled off the greatest illusion ever, ever, ever.. to invade two countries, one of which only has Opium as anything we would want. So I guess he could blow up two building and kill thousands of people WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT, just to have an excuse to get something he could have grown here. So he could pull of the greatest crime ever, but wasnt smart enough to think he could grow opium somewhere in the USA without getting caught.

Well when you say it that way it just sounds silly doesn't it? The branch davidians were a child abusing cult, probably. The FBI has to do it's job. It overstepped it's bounds on their warrant and murdered a bunch of paranoid Messianic nuts, and their innocent children.
As to 9/11 being an inside job, it's still too nutty for me to fully beleive it was an inside job. But there are TOO MANY inconsistencies and suspicious clues to just take the tripe they feed you on the news at face value.
This terror sting in the Bronx is a set-up, seriously, it's blatant.
And I hereby offer to take you out drinking to see what you REALLY think.

For having those guns in storage they sure did pull them out fast when the gunfire broke out. If they would have just followed the law in the first place and submitted to the search warrant no one would have died. You dont gun people down over a search warrant unless you have something to hide.

If you die resisting arrest, it is no ones fault but your own.



So, did the Branch Davidians deserve to die because they possessed firearms or because they were able to access the firearms quickly? And, apparently you believe the FOUNDING FATHERS of this Nation had something to hide also?

And regarding the agents killed in the initial assault on the Waco compound: If a public servant dies while attempting to violate those rights which he has sworn to uphold, it is no ones fault but his own.

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[edit on 24-5-2009 by whitewolf60]

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Ok I am a big proponent of second amendment rights to the point that I think private citizens should have the right to buy any weapon that the US military posesses.

I am not such a big proponent of a bunch of insane people having an unlimited number of guns.

The FBI didnt violate their rights. They served them with a warrant and got shot. The FBI followed the law. If these people were normal they would have fought it out in court and no one would have died.

The FBI is not guilty of anything. Worst case their tear gas accidentally caught something on fire. But there is proof that the BD's lit most if not all of the fires themselves.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Why cant you just congratulate the FBI for a job well done and for protecting you and your fellow citizens.

Their congratulations and thanks is the money taken out of my paycheck every two weeks to fund their half-assed law enforcement operations.

I'm not going to thank someone who works for me for doing their job. But I sure as hell will criticize and raise hell about someone who works for me for not doing their job. The FBI is not doing their job.

What flavor of kool-aid did they give you? I like cherry.

[edit on 5/24/09 by NovusOrdoMundi]

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I like grape. Ok I thought there job was to arrest people who are breakign the law or conspiring to break the law. So that looks like they are doing there job in this case. However, if they were just sucking down do-nuts and sitting on their butts all day then I would be a tad peeved.

Goodnight all, it was fun arguing with you! Enjoy your Kool-Aid, but dont forget that the Kool-Aid charachter is a government mind control agent just dressed that way to distract you from the truth.



[edit on 5/24/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

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Did you know that the surviving branch davidians were all found Not guilty? However, they all served almost 15 years in prison. There is plenty of evidence out this was a set up, including the murder of the three officers where the Fourth officer through a live grenade into the window right after the three officers went into the window.

On the Op's topic though, it surely doesn't sit right with me how this went down. Now that more facts are available, to find out we are supplying people decoy bombs, people that most likely could never get their hands on something like that. Just a gut feeling it seems a stretch to label these guys anything more than misled and guilable people.

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Oh is that what it looks like? Have you reviewed the evidence? Or did you read a news article like everyone else?

Sorry but the badge doesn't automatically equal a seal of approval and truth with some people. I'm not going to just take the FBI's word for it.

The powers are obviously starting to get worried that noone has taken their bait for 'homegrown' terrorist attack. They've done everything to make a perfect setting with economy etc. They would've loved to get attack or two with some radical revolutionaries so the little that is left of the freedom could be taken away.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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Goodnight all, it was fun arguing with you! Enjoy your Kool-Aid, but dont forget that the Kool-Aid charachter is a government mind control agent just dressed that way to distract you from the truth.

[edit on 5/24/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Ok guys, he's gone now. Let the insanity continue unhindered.

NOL

THere's so much to be said about Jim Jones being CIA himself, and the whole thing being an extension of MKUltra, that when you guys keep referring to him taking the whole media story about him at Face Value, and the drinking of the kool-aid, that you are seriously about to send me into an infinite loop.

As for the NY case, we now have US citizens at Guantanamo Bay and I understand at least one of them is learning disabled. And no one cares.

Maybe the whole thing was a test to see if we'd all miss the point.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Riiighhht! The FBI just runs around trying to frame people as terrorists so they can get more budget money and look super cool.

Well it wouldn't be the first time.

Terrorism is the excuse they are using to have their military in the Middle East to control the oil.

So seeing as there really is no Muslim terrorist acts going off in the US, or Muslim threat period, then to keep the illusion alive they have to help create terrorism. Just like they staged 9-11, the London bombings, and the Spain train bomb. Coincidence that the US, the UK and Spain were the three main countries who have been part of the exploitation of the ME since WWII, and before for UK and Spain along with France?

They got caught releasing bogus stories so I guess they went one step further, and get caught again lol.

December 19, 2007
Media Responds to Surge's Success With Flood of Phony Stories

One of the many benefits of the success of the Surge in Iraq is that the lack of violence has given MSM propagandists an opportunity to polish their fiction-writing skills. Bogus atrocity reports have been coming out one after another. Via NewsBusters:

www.moonbattery.com...

The news that six Sunnis were captured by Shiites, doused with kerosine and burned alive, was too sensational to not be picked up by the mainstream media. But it turns out that the event never happened. Furthermore, the Iraqi "spokesman" relied on to give all information regarding this event is as fictional as the story itself.

newsbusters.org...

That's just two quick examples. They've been doing this stuff for years, but with the advent of the internet it's harder for them to get away with it and not get caught.

So no it's not all about looking cool, it's about keeping the public from realizing the truth and loosing the support for a war that most of us just want to end.

Put some damn money in alternative energy, and we wouldn't have to exploit the Middle East. But they won't do that because with oil they have control over you and they make big money which equals more power and control.

This whole scenario had a odd feel to it.I must ask is the FBI up for a approbations hearing sometime this month or next? it seems to me that whenever it comes time to beg for our money a video or a cassette of OBL or a flimsy plot comes up at just the right time.


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I suppose , on the bright side , it does highlight the depths of the fiasco's the US will go to to produce a terrorist or two . People weren't that enamored of producing them by the confession by torture route , but little stunts like this contrived dog and pony show put the whole charade into the public light for international audiences to laugh at, and to witness first hand the spectacle of the US's attempts to produce these so called terrorists descend into the totally absurd.