Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before saying its torture

Originally posted by bsbray11
Those buildings went down because they were rigged.

Sorry, that's your opinion.

Originally posted by bsbray11
.....carpet bombing their innocent civilians......

Hate to spoil your mood, but we haven't carpet bombed anyone since Vietnam, and then it was mainly jungle.

Originally posted by bsbray11
....and abducting and torturing people.

Yeah, since the troops don't have anything better to do.

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Originally posted by bsbray11
.....though I'm pretty convinced our country is already screwed.

Aw, where's your hope and change??

I have a hunch that an insurgent would hold out a lot longer than some fat turd named "mancow".

reply to post by WisdomInChains


I think he would have said anything eventually.

Originally posted by jerico65
Sorry, that's your opinion.

It's nothing to have to apologize for, just like I won't apologize for what you believe.

Hate to spoil your mood, but we haven't carpet bombed anyone since Vietnam, and then it was mainly jungle.

My focus was mainly upon the thousands of innocent people we have killed, not so much the technical name for the way we killed them, sorry for not making that clear.

Originally posted by bsbray11
....and abducting and torturing people.

Yeah, since the troops don't have anything better to do.

I don't know about soldiers, I was thinking more about BS like this: www.democracynow.org...

At any rate, how many of the people that they detain get any kind of court hearing? You don't support those either, I guess.

Aw, where's your hope and change??

Let me guess, you think I'm a democrat.

[edit on 22-5-2009 by bsbray11]

I don't get it if it wasn't torture they wouldn't use it.The difference is it creates terror which can be used to gain information. It is mental torture without the physical effects. They aren't using battery cables cutting off fingers burning out an eye with a hot poker. Physical torture goes into creating fear and physical injury. Mental torture plays off fear of drowning freezing to death anything they can do to break there will. There will tells them not to cooperate you have to convince them this is not in there best interest to do so. If water boarding didn't create terror what would be the point really? Are we supposed to ask real nice for the terrorist to give us information?


So, is this what's one of these "interviews" are supposed to sound like?

"Mr. Khalid Sheik Mohammed, thank you for joining us this morning. Some coffee or maybe a Coke before we begin? Oh, and I'm sorry. Yeah...you'll have to remove the headphones from your iPod. Yeah, it's a rule. I agree, and on behalf of the entire United States government and the President himself, let me apologize that someone didn't explain that in advance.

Oh, I agree...that Lady Gaga really has it going on. Nonetheless, please, you'll have to take off the headphones. But remember, you're signed up for our "Spa Sensation" right after luncheon. Hey - what would a massage be without a little music? You can listen then. OK? Good.

Now Mohammed. Can I call you Mohammed? About this whole September 11 situation, Mohammed. Would you mind telling me who planned the unfortunate event?... Oh, don't be silly. It's fine if you say you don't know. All we want is what you know to be the truth. We'd hate to have you feel that you must lie or unjustly point the finger at any of your friends. Hey, it ain't right for a guy to rat out his friends -- am I right? C'mon, Sheiky...am I right?

...So, really, you don't know anything? Nothing?...Hmmm.What about -- oh. Not that, either, huh? Or maybe you could tell me about the guy who -- really? Yikes. Screwed that one up, too. We thought you knew him.

Yes, that's right! "Our bad!" Ha, ha! Good one! ...Yes! "L-O-L!!!" You've got quite a sense of humor!

Hey, I've enjoyed this. And we hope our time together hasn't been an imposition in your day. And we certainly do appreciate that you pulled yourself away from your prep work for your appearance on Oprah. Well, look. Why don't we meet up tomorrow and talk a bit more then. Maybe, just maybe, you might remember something about September 11 and we can spend a few minutes talking about it.

What's a good time for you? Oh, heck yes. Check your activity schedule and get back to me. ...OK. Your "people" will get back to me. Whatever works for you."

Sure. I'd be glad to validate your parking...What do you think we are? Infidels?"

reply to post by grover


I served my country and am intimately familiar with what the
Geneva Conventions say.......If I flew my aircraft over hostile territory, in a civilian "uniform", and were shot down, I would not be treated as a Prisoner of War unless I had a military id or uniform. Therefore, according the the Geneva Convention, I would not be entitled to it's protections (like Gary Powers).

The Geneva Convention applies to prisoners of war, i.e. military soldiers recognized as such. As one poster said, waterboarding does not even remotely approach what the Egyptians or Saudis, or the Iranians doe to their prisoners. I went through SERE, survived, and was told that it was minor compared to what we might experience.

Members of the military of other countries do not normally and willingly take civilian casualties. Did the hijackers of 9/11 willingly take civilain casualties? YES, over 3000 of them......

Originally posted by grover
reply to post by sos37

 

We are a nation of laws that is what is supposed to make us different from the rest of the world... we willingly signed the Geneva conventions and we have not withdrawn from them... therefore like it or not they are the law of the land... and they define water boarding as torture... hence we broke the law.

BTW I willingly served my country... did you or are you just another arm chair blow hard?


[edit on 22-5-2009 by grover]

How can someone who has actually served their country in a military capacity, possibly even seen the enemy face to face, have such a cavalier attitude about your own countrymen as opposed to foreigners who would see us either converted to Islam or destroyed? I don't know how old you are, but is it because you weren't supported by America upon your return from Vietnam that you have such hate for your fellow Americans?

Originally posted by sos37
...that you have such hate for your fellow Americans?

Because he says waterboarding is breaking the law, he hates Americans?

If that's logical to you, then I'm not even sure how to communicate with you. Are you Sean Hannity?

Originally posted by grover
reply to post by sos37

 

Did you serve or are you one did you like Cheney have other things to do and is instead another arm chair blow hard warrior?

[edit on 22-5-2009 by grover]

So what your saying is if someone doesn't serve in the American military, they obviously don't love this country? Seriously?

Nice. Real nice.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by sos37
...that you have such hate for your fellow Americans?

Because he says waterboarding is breaking the law, he hates Americans?

If that's logical to you, then I'm not even sure how to communicate with you. Are you Sean Hannity?

Those are your words, sir, not mine. I haven't concluded whether waterboarding is torture or not, myself.

I'm saying he hates America because whether it is torture or not, breaking the law or not, he would rather satisfy his moral compass on all levels and let these disgusting terrorists get three hots and a cot while they conspire to kill our American citizens and recruit our own citizens into their extremist organizations.

That, sir, is logical to me.

Originally posted by sos37
I'm saying he hates America because whether it is torture or not, breaking the law or not, he would rather satisfy his moral compass on all levels and let these disgusting terrorists get three hots and a cot

They aren't "disgusting terrorists." They're detainees that haven't been convicted of a damned thing yet, in some cases that have no evidence against them whatsoever except being in the wrong place at the wrong time. There's the first difference between what you say, and reality.

Just because you don't torture them doesn't mean you give them "three hots and a cot." If I remember correctly, a lot of these guys are kept in fetal positions in small metal cages, naked, with cold fans blowing on their backs all through the day.

Let me ask you: Why should we even defend this country in the first place, if we're going to do the same sorts of things that the Nazis and other dictatorships resorted to doing? Are you really that brainwashed that you would allow your leaders to do whatever they want, including break their own laws blatantly and systematically to torture people, because you think you "love your country"? What about defending the ideals it stands for and all of that? Seems like wearing a lapel pin of a flag is more your kind of "patriotism."

[edit on 22-5-2009 by bsbray11]

I have to say (and this is an indictment of my ignorance) but that's all waterboarding is? Pouring water in someone's face like that? I thought it was much more intricate and intense. Not saying it isn't any less effective or that it's not torture, I'm just surprised that the act that's creating such an uproar is so simple to do.

Mancow is a little pussy, watching him freak-out after literally like 6 seconds when the guy was being gentle as hell with was rather hilarious.

Thanks for the thread!!

And thanks for the video as well!!!

WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE.

If you feel like you are drowning...then you feel like you are DYING.

How can anyone sit here and say that it's not torture.

Do it to yourself if you are such a hardass and believe it's not a big deal.

There is a reason they USE IT YA KNOW.

BECAUSE IT'S TORTURE.

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tor⋅ture  [tawr-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, -tured, -tur⋅ing.
–noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
–verb (used with object)
6. to subject to torture.
7. to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
8. to force or extort by torture: We'll torture the truth from his lips!
9. to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.
10. to distort or pervert (language, meaning, etc.).
dictionary.reference.com...

Now get over it!

By the way...I've never cared for Mancow. I used to get his radio show when i lived near chicago...haven't listen to him since i was a teenager. he didn't come off as a Conservative talk show host...but then again...I wasn't listening for the politics as I didn't care for that kind of thing back then.




[edit on 22-5-2009 by David9176]

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Mancow is a little pussy, watching him freak-out after literally like 6 seconds when the guy was being gentle as hell with was rather hilarious.

You try it tough guy.

I bet you don't last as long as he did.

So, I guess Sean Hannity is next?

I hope Sean Hannity is next.

Probably won't last for more than four seconds.

Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before saying its torture

Hmmm.

He is a libertarian and had endorsed Wayne Allyn Root for the Libertarian Party's 2008 United States presidential nomination.

Source.

Guess anything not Socialist is considered Conservative now a days.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


Hannity wouldn't last as long as Mancow did. No one can handle that for an extended period of time.

I'm sure old Hannity will hear about this...and will say nothing.

He refuses to think that this country has ever done anything wrong no matter how many facts are thrown in his face.

reply to post by David9176

He refuses to think that this country has ever done anything wrong no matter how many facts are thrown in his face.

Yep, it's like talking to a wall.

Same thing happens with some of the MSNBC staff when someone tries to suggest something negative about Obama.

You might as well be having conversations with rocks.

reply to post by sos37


Waterboarding is torture, even conservatives are starting to say it. But the real debate is over whether or not we should.


There was a recent poll that stated 49% of Americans thinks that torture would be "sometimes justified". The survey asked: "Do you think the use of torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information can often be justified, sometimes be justified, rarely be justified, or never be justified?" www.cnn.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">source

I can see how supporters of these tactics may think they are beneficial for someone we "think" may have some valuable intelligence. But people who make these arguments haven't read on interrogation tactics. There are many in the intelligence community that dismiss tactics like these, because the information obtained can be false.

And wasn't KSM waterboarded 183 times over a month period? The argument being made by proponents of these tactics is that they thwarted an imminent attack on US soil. It wasn't that imminent if it took 183 times and a month to get it out of him.

Someone previously asked if we risk American lives for our "moral compass". I don't really think American lives would have been any more at risk if we didn't do these things. And besides, these tactics have emboldend more to fight against us.


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[edit on 22-5-2009 by its bologna]

I kind of wish someone would do that to me because I can't see how it's torture just by watching it...I suppose it must feel like drowning? I can hold my breath for a long time.