US: I was called a terrorist, and threatened...

reply to post by jd140


"Think for yourselves" I say. That also implies "search for yourself" else you can't see the entire picture and judge it. Like sitting in a hole, you don't know whats above, maybe you say "I don't care , above is the same as here" ?

Am I unworthy of trust even if I say that ? What else you want me to say ?
If you do not trust even yourself something is wrong...

www.ascentofhumanity.com...

Schools train individuals to respond as a mass. Boys and girls are drilled in being bored, frightened, envious, emotionally needy, generally incomplete. A successful mass production economy requires such a clientele. A small business, small farm economy like that of the Amish requires individual competence, thoughtfulness, compassion, and universal participation; our own requires a managed mass of leveled, spiritless, anxious, familyless, friendless, godless, and obedient people who believe the difference between "Cheers" and "Seinfeld" is worth arguing about.

What school teaches us the most is not to think. Believe, accept what other have thought before you, then feel a sense of security in that, and destroy anyone who challenges those teachings.
Unlike "the sheeple" I have no intention to destroy them. Some of them would destroy me if they could. I was one too, a few years ago I was arguing about what a good thing Bush did invading Iraq, fighting the evil terrorists...

Believe nothing merely because you have been told it.
Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher.
But whatever, after due examination and analysis,
you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -
that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.

Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
even though they have been held in honor
for many generations and in diverse places.
Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.


Buddha

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I agree.

But if everyone believed that 9/11 was in fact carried out by our government. Wouldn't that mean they are "sheeple"?

Just because they agree with the official report means that they are deemed sheeple by those who believe other wise.

I guess I will never understand how a group who thinks one way calls another who thinks differantly sheeple.

Originally posted by alyosha1981
reply to post by _BoneZ_

 

I honestly did not think that the conversation would result in me being called a terrorist, I thought people (even bar patrons) would be open for conversation and your right I won't be doing that again.

For future reference, unless you have proof of something as big as the US government carrying our a plot to kill some 10 thousand of our own citizens, using our own planes and people and do not have proof...maybe you shouldn't speak of it in public. Most of America is not in the conspiracy mainstream..most of them watch CNBC or MSN news or FOX news and are happy with what is being pumped into them. I don't know one way or the other what happened on 9/11 nor do I care other than the people who were killed.. The point is we have not one shred of evidence that the courts will look at to prove that it was anyone other than a terrorist cell operating in the US that did it..To me that sounds way to convenient..but I hold my reservations. I don't see why the US government would have thought this up to help out our economy when all it has done is send us into a downward spiral...but then again that is the Bush administration....I would just caution you from speaking out in public even though it is a constitutional right, unless you expect to get these types of reactions...I am on the fence with what happened mainly because I would not want to believe that the people in power would ever do this to their own citizens..but then again....I have seen a lot since to give me the idea they don;t give a rats ass about the common man..

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Ok I don't call them "sheeple". Forget that video. I call them "people who let others think for them". Or maybe they are Zen masters and don't care about this stuff
When the planet is destroyed, the world is "Soylent Green"+1984 we will see if they behave like Zen masters, unaffected, or just people "who let others think for them".

If I myself researched and thought about something I am not afraid to believe in it, does not matter if all the others believe in it too, or nobody does.

The ones in power know about peak oil and environmental destruction. They want to save the planet but not for us, for them, to maintain control. So they are working for a 1984 world.

[edit on 21-5-2009 by pai mei]

Originally posted by KSPigpen
Seems like you got about all of the 'you shouldn't have done that's' that you could possible need. Honestly, this is the ONLY place I could ever write about what I really think about...I'm sorry you had to go through this uncomfortable situation, glad you got out without personal injury and appreciative of the finger on the pulse of the redneck bar scene and the climate that accompanies blind obediance, shallow beliefs and closed minds. You're a ballsier guy than I am. Thanks man.

These days and ages it is not just the "redneck" bar that is in question...it is every bar with people who have their own views.. We can not be upset just because there are a lot of people out there that think differently than we..We get offended when they do not see the views that are so clear to us. And we do the same in the converse.. You have to respect peoples rights to opinions in the US even if they are very different than the one we hold..otherwise the system will not work any more than it barely does now..There are a lot of people out there who like to embrace ignorance..but just like religion who is to tell them they are wrong?> Not us....they make their own choices and we make ours..in the end we will see who is right..and I hope to hell it is us..or we have wasted a ton of our time....!!11

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I wasn't accusing you personally of doing it.

I just see the use of the term used way to often for people who don't think the way some do.

They aren't deemed "sheeple" because they don't think like everyone else. But call others sheeple for not thinking their way.

Seems like a stupid thing to me.

Well I've read the first half of this thread and the great O.P.
The whole affair reminds me of a quote by Oscar Wilde:'If you're going to tell people the truth you'd better make them laugh or they will kill you.'
Sadly people never change. The stupid...it burns.

In the next 5 years people we will be just like Russia or germany during world war 2 . We will get secret police listening to what people are talking about and if they hear of any forms of treason like saying Obama is a decently modified ape will get hung. We need a Coup de tat fast!

Originally posted by alyosha1981
I'm even more disappointed that people have such a trust for what comes out of the mouth's of reporters. I thought people were smarter then this I suppose I've given too much credit where credit is not due.

Never underestimate how stupid people can be.

The majority of the population are brainwashed by the MSM. Wave the flag and declare your patriotism... or else!

reply to post by alyosha1981


The best you can do is give them a brief recap of some 'video' you saw online and advise them to watch it for their 'own' good. Then be on your way. There's simply too much to say on the topic for an ignoramous to absorb. The ATS/Infowar folk are a 'rare' breed altogether. Never assume that others are tuned in like many of the folks here are.

NORAD stood back and watched it all happen and done nothing. I find that odd since it is their duty to know what is going on and what is flying in restricted areas. Why did this happen? Because the gov wanted it to happen. Why are people willing to believe that kermit the frog crashed the planes but not believe their own well funded gov wouldn't, couldn't shouldn't?? Like them people in the bar probably have no clue that the government spends a trillion dollars on black budget secret projects a year that no one knows where the or what the money is spent on. Why is Kissinger and other officers of the white house and queens having secret closed door meetings? Oh well who frickin cares right! It's only your money and tax dollars paying for it.

I was thinking just go around with a shirt....advertise your beliefs that way

you should of gone home got your laptop come back and shown them the scientific points regarding the subject. If its on a screen it must be real if not its bull#. Mad Stupid World we live in.

Sorry to rain on the parade here, but as I consider your depiction of events, the following red flags arise for me:

( Emotion hat off / Objectivity hat on.)

You said "I then attempted to order another drink"
That means you had at least one before, right?

Alcohol can cloud one's thinking. It can also "amplify" emotions and voice levels.
Back when I drank professionally, I would talk quite loud. Hence the joke contains 14% alcohol "by volume."

As we can only go on your portrayal of events ( not doubting you) I'd further suggest that most bars "Reserve the Right to Refuse Service" to anyone who is deemed disruptive. Despite your calm demeanor, your line of reasoning was perhaps, disruptive to the other bar patrons.

(Emotion hat back on)

I am pleased you came on here to share your version of the story and embraced by "like-minded" thinkers.

I am more pleased a group of citizens and a marine who chose to seek solace in a bar (who by the way "were hoping to let go of a little stress" like you) didn't beat the living daylights out of you. You were out numbered physically, perhaps not mentally.

As others suggested, guard your beliefs, especially where alcohol is consumed.

Regards...KK

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Originally posted by sean
NORAD stood back and watched it all happen and done nothing. I find that odd since it is their duty to know what is going on and what is flying in restricted areas.

NORAD watches for aircraft coming in over the boarders, they rely on the FAA for internal radar tracking. Their job purpose is to watch for, and intercept incoming military aircraft, not civilian ones. When they have to intercept an aircraft inside the US boarder they do so because the FAA has asked them to. Besides this, they cannot A) shoot down a plane over a populated area as the debris will fall on civilian structures and B) fire on a civilian aircraft, without authorization. Even when they have to do an internal intercept, if you have ever noticed, they do not shoot them down, but rather attempt to force a landing out of them.

Maybe you can explain why this aircraft was not shot down?

Frank Eugene Corder crashed a stolen Cessna 150 onto the South Lawn of the White House early on September 12, 1994, apparently trying to hit the building; he was the sole casualty.

Name me one aircraft that NORAD has ever shot down over US territory?
Just one…


This is the kind of incorrect information that just drives me up the wall in regards to the Truth Movement. Some of these truthers learned everything they know about aviation from watching movies.

I've encountered this as well people are so propagandized and scared of terrorists they refuse to question anything regarding Iraq or 9/11. I have had several conversations where people almost get violent defending these things, but yet they can't even answer the simple questions like who the terrorists we should be/are fighting actually are. I don't even think most of them know where Iraq or Afghanistan are on a map, they only know what the MSM tells them. I have people all the time try to argue Bin Laden is why we are in Iraq today. Seriously next time some one argues about 9/11 don't go deep into conspiracy theories(or conspiracy fact for that matter) unless you are sure they know even these basic things, otherwise it is a waste of time.

Black is white, up is down, truth is lie, war is peace, socialism is a free market, inflation means you have more money, don't worry the government is here to take care of you, this is the world most Americans live in. Questioning 9/11 would not just be a changing there view on one subject it would cause there whole universe to come crashing down around them, most of them couldn't handle it. They are very content to stay in their blissful ignorance the only thing that will wake them up is when the free ride they have been enjoying comes to an end, which seems to be starting to happen.

Have you ever read Ayn Rands "fountainhead"?

Your Rourk.

He was an architect that refused to " go along to get along" regardless if it ruined him.

By sticking to his integrity, he eventually succeeded.

In the movie- he even wound up with Patricia Neal and his name on the tallest building in the world.

We are in the times of Ayn Rand.

reply to post by kinda kurious


I'll reply to all as I can(working) but I had to quickly respond here. Good observation on the alcohol issue, I did say I attempted to order another drink, however I didn't say what or how big. I know alcohol does in fact cloud the mind at times and I assure you I was not intoxacated beyond my control, I don't do that except for at home. But thanks any ways for the input it's always welcome.

I think your story sounds slightly embellished.

Even if its not. Everyone has a few in them and you start questioning them on why they believe this, why they watch that.

You may have felt that you hadn't had to much to drink. But even 2 can effect how you act and you wouldn't know. Sounds like you came across in a know it all way and they didn't like it.


Next time don't try and debate a loaded subject like 9/11 unless all parties(that includes you) involved are 100% sober.

Originally posted by alyosha1981

Good observation on the alcohol issue, I did say I attempted to order another drink, however I didn't say what or how big. I know alcohol does in fact cloud the mind at times and I assure you I was not intoxacated beyond my control,

Consider it this way:

If you had been ordering (let us say) another cheeseburger and were refused based on your beliefs - the case would be more clear-cut.

But nevertheless, you were defamed and discriminated against because of your beliefs.

In fact, it appears that the public defamation of you for your beliefs may have resulted in your being refused service - as the defamation occurred before you attempted to order the unspecified beverage.

The bartender did not say she refused you because you were intoxicated - she explicitly stated she did so because they "dont serve terrorists".... i wonder where she got that idea.

You have a case. You should Notify the ACLU.