It's Official: Bush Admin Saw Iraq As Religious War

It's Official: Bush Admin Saw Iraq As Religious War

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When I signed up to serve in the United States Army, I did so because I wanted to serve my country. I wanted to - if called - put my life on the line to defend her, and all she stands for. We who served take an oath to defend this nation and its Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic ...

Little did I know that while I was preparing to go to Iraq, the Bush administration was using Bible passages (both Old and New Testaments) on cover sheets of security reports ...

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Jon Soltz, Co-Founder of VoteVets.org, served as a Captain in Operation Iraqi Freedom and has written an atricle deeply critical of the Bush II administration's motivations behind the 2003 Iraqi invasion. Citing as evidence for his claim are cover sheets containing Biblical quotations, his conclusion is that he unwittingly went to Iraq to fight for the God of the Old Testament.

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Personlized cover sheets.

Who cares?

Only those who are running out of new things to hate the last administration for.

reply to post by jd140

Who cares?

People who don't care are part of the reason that we get in messes like this in the first place. It should definitely concern Americans if Iraq was/is seen as a religious war.

If something like this comes out about Obama after he's left office people will certainly care.

When Bush left office history wasn't erased. It's not about hate, it's about discovering and acknowledging America's faults so we can be better.

Who cares.

This is all fast becoming ancient history.

Liberals need to get over this, we could still be prosecuting Clinton for attempted rape, but what's the point, no one cares any more.

Maybe what you should be asking is how does it take 9 years to run out of things to hate somebody for?

Who cares? How bout the millions and millions and millions of Americans who aren't Christian, who didn't want some bible thumping scum bucket leading us into his personal religious crusade against another country? Maybe we care. Did that cross your mind?

I don't get how some people can judge the house down the street when they've never left their own front porch...

reply to post by mattifikation

Maybe what you should be asking is how does it take 9 years to run out of things to hate somebody for?

Wow, man ...

Excellent point !

Official? Why? Because someone on HuffingtonPost says so?

Well, It's also official that Mr. Obama is not eligible for the Presidency because he was born in Kenya. I saw that on WorldNetDaily so it has to be true.

Originally posted by Retseh
Who cares.

This is all fast becoming ancient history.

Liberals need to get over this, we could still be prosecuting Clinton for attempted rape, but what's the point, no one cares any more.

Ancient history?

We're still stuck in an un-winnable conflict in Iraq, the economy is on its deathbed, and most of the world still harbors negative feelings for us. And you care about Bill Clinton's sex scandals?

This stuff was still going on less than a year ago, and it will be another 20 before America can recover from the damage it was dealt by the last administration. Just because we have a new administration doesn't mean the errors of the last administration have magically disappeared.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
Ancient history?

We're still stuck in an un-winnable conflict in Iraq, the economy is on its deathbed, and most of the world still harbors negative feelings for us. And you care about Bill Clinton's sex scandals?

This stuff was still going on less than a year ago, and it will be another 20 before America can recover from the damage it was dealt by the last administration. Just because we have a new administration doesn't mean the errors of the last administration have magically disappeared.

Listen, if you really think this will achieve a gnat's fart of progress and healing for the country, then knock yourself out.

Personally, it just comes across as a vendetta against an administration that liberals continue to obsess about.

I am inclined to think that this is a red herring of sorts.

Religion is for mass consumption (propaganda tool) and will create a partisanship amongst the population, giving them yet another reason to accept or reject the War in Iraq.

There are far too many 'tangible reasons' for the War (I think the war is just as much a creation for the field research of new 'weapons' as it is motivated by resources and international politics) to have occurred than a religious provacation.

Yup. I think Red Herring.

reply to post by visible_villain


Didn't most of us already know this? We all knew Bush liked to pretend to be a real Christian and we all knew most of the terrorists were pretending to be real Muslims...

This is exactly the sort of thing the Founding Fathers wanted to protect us from. Centuries of blood shed, genocide, inquisitions, suppression of knowledge, that is the legacy of State sponsored religion. And yet Presidents and those in power will continue to use Religion to sway the simple minded sheep...

As for Bush, I hated him as much as the next but he's gone now and its time to move on and rebuild our nation from the damage that he and his puppet masters caused and save our nation from TPTB who are pulling Obama's strings...

Who cares??

Did anyone notice that the passages sort of match the picture that's on the cover sheet?

People need to stop getting their panties in a bunch over something.

Every time we flew, we had the padre say a few words. I guess that makes it a religious war, huh?

Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by Retseh
Who cares.

This is all fast becoming ancient history.

Liberals need to get over this, we could still be prosecuting Clinton for attempted rape, but what's the point, no one cares any more.

Ancient history?

We're still stuck in an un-winnable conflict in Iraq, the economy is on its deathbed, and most of the world still harbors negative feelings for us. And you care about Bill Clinton's sex scandals?

This stuff was still going on less than a year ago, and it will be another 20 before America can recover from the damage it was dealt by the last administration. Just because we have a new administration doesn't mean the errors of the last administration have magically disappeared.

Umm we are winning the war in Iraq, and soon we will be moving the military out of Iraq. The military did its part and kicked ass, now its up to the Iraqis........ The last adminstration has nothing to do with the econmic mess we are in now, do you want to know why? Of course you do, the glass-steagall act is the reason of this mess, and it was repealled.... do you know by who??? Old Billy Clinton......So who created this mess? Oh and by the way in 8 years of bushes rampant retardation he spent I think the number is around 9 trillion dollars (high Estimate, which doesnt include interest) and our current retard-in-cheif has spent 5 trillion... hmmm I think he will surpass Bush in less then 2 years.






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Originally posted by Retseh


Listen, if you really think this will achieve a gnat's fart of progress and healing for the country, then knock yourself out.

Personally, it just comes across as a vendetta against an administration that liberals continue to obsess about.

I could care less about "liberals" and "conservatives". I just want the bastards who threw us into an illegal war because of religious extremism to own up to their crimes. And yes, prosecuting a criminal administration would do a great deal of healing for our nation, as it would make all future administrations think twice before breaking the law.

I don't need to look through red-and-blue-colored goggles to see a criminal for a criminal.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
I just want the bastards who threw us into an illegal war because of religious extremism to own up to their crimes.

Well, shuck-a-rooties, I always thought it was a "War for Oil"? Now it's "religious extremism". Could everyone please get on the same HateTrain?

I think alot of people need to take the high horse they are riding and put it back in the barn.

I should say first that I'm still amazed that people on ATS have to turn this, and many other discussions, into a right vs. left issue. It's not. The point of this "revelation" is that we have been fighting a war that those who were in positions of power started because of personal BELIEFS. These beliefs are something they personally decided to buy into and decided that others, whether they also buy into those beliefs or not, should die for.

You can say that people are just looking for more reasons to hate Bush and then assume that those people must also love and adore Obama (because for some reason on ATS, Hating Bush = Loving Obama) but you're just turning this discussion into immature banter.

Let's focus on the issue that we have people, whether they be on the right or the left, have such strong BELIEFS about something that they think throwing almost all of the world into turmoil just to prove that their BELIEFS are the right ones and anyone who disagrees deserves ridicule, prison, or death.

You can also say that these cover sheets don't prove that this was a religious war but we ALL know that Bush got in front of millions of people and stated that he BELIEVED God told him to start this war. If that doesn't make it a religious war, I don't think anything would.

You can also say that this is old news and not even worthy of being discussed, but these pictures might help others understand what exactly we are fighting for...someone's belief that their God is the right God. Not for peace, freedom, or the betterment of the world.

Starting a war in the name of a biblical God, in which thousands and thousands of INNOCENT people have died, is no way to prove that your religion is the one we should all chose to follow.

I find it to be quite the opposite.

reply to post by jd140


Yeah million dead iraqis! thousands of troops killed woot! no sweat off my back! Really did you mistype what you actually meant to say or are you that callous and detached from the suffering of millions of human beings this war has caused and will continue to cause down the generations?

reply to post by jerico65

"War for Oil"? Now it's "religious extremism"

I personally never subscribed to either belief. I've always been open to any evidence that was produced, and more and more this seems like something that involved a number of bad decision, some of the decisions may have been made because of a religious belief that the administration held. I don't think that's irrelevant. I think if this is true that the truth needs to be exposed and that people need to discuss it. It will help us better understand how to deal with conflicts like this in the future. Maybe the wool will not be so easily pulled over our eyes.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull

You said :
This is exactly the sort of thing the Founding Fathers wanted to protect us from.

Thank you !