Extraterrestrials Passing as Humans

Originally posted by The Killah29There are real psychics out there

(p.s. you don't have to be born one or to be the 7th son of the 7th son. I'm training to become one.)

Originally posted by DohBama

where are these 'real psychics'?

are they available for scientific examination?

will you be available to submit to observation and documentation after you have developed these 'powers'?

I simply have to ask why?

Why on earth post on this thread with complete and utter disregard for the member above. If you don't believe in psychic phenomena then thats fine, everyone has a choice. However, your words are extremely negative to this thread and to others you have completely no right whatsoever to impose those questions especially not here especially as it has absolutely no reference whatsoever with the thread?

What is with people that think they can come on to any thread and start the 'show me proof game' please I ask with compassion please go and find another thread to impose your negative beliefs on.

I will not take part in any other discussion about this only what the OP has asked for,





[edit on 18-5-2009 by franspeakfree]

Really good thread here, suggesting one of the techniques or ways to initiate your own kind of proof. As I said, this is somewhat sensitive kind of information and you need to be cool about it, and you may be monitored afterwards.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I like your thread, I enjoy Sylvia.

Mystiq darn why do you have to have so much in common with me? I don't even know your age or name

Originally posted by The Killah29The real psychics are Uri Geller, Nina Kalugina and Edgar Cayce.

geller is a documented fraud, dunno who those other are, but why not encourage them to contact the james randi foundation for verification?

he would be all too pleased to assist their demonstration of their claimed psychic powers for the world to witness and pay them very well to do so.

I would be available, but I won't like to be experimeted on and then have them sealed away. Check here for my abilities: The Killah29's Progress Journal

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How much does this "Academy" charge to teach these super powers?

I couldnt help but notice their site does not have a section demonstrating the abilities of their graduates...

Originally posted by franspeakfree
I simply have to ask why?

Why on earth post on this thread with complete and utter disregard for the member above. If you don't believe in psychic phenomena then thats fine, everyone has a choice. However, your words are extremely negative to this thread and to others you have completely no right whatsoever to impose those questions especially not here especially as it has absolutely no reference whatsoever with the thread?

What is with people that think they can come on to any thread and start the 'show me proof game' please I ask with compassion please go and find another thread to impose your negative beliefs on.

I will not take part in any other discussion about this only what the OP has asked for,

are you saying that the subject matter cannot hold up against questioning or any scrutiny at all, whatsoever?

interesting...

critical thinking is not 'negative' any more than blind faith and unquestioning acceptance is 'positive'.

thats the folly of 'true believers', they are gullible, and charlatans know this.

they feel just the way you do, dont question! just accept... and uh, make check payable to...

proof is not a game, it is how knowledge advances.

Proof is not a game. But there are skills, such as psi, that are studied and used by the military, that are not easily tested or studied as the very area of the mind that is receptive is so under the zen mind, and once you use rational thought or analytic overlays, its not there anymore, or takes a huge hit in accuracy. So for that, studying is essential, and I really recommend Joseph McMoneagle's books on remote viewing. When you are somewhat psi, just studying and learning the language that somewhat defines the condition is wonderful, and you know instantly what it means. Might be harder for someone else to understand though. Two good books that I sent for: Mind Trek and Remote Viewing Secrets. Also, Ingo Swann: Penetration is good.

Now, this kind of thing would have to be experiential, and personal, and would not hold up to a skeptics questions. First, if you were to meet or have an encounter with a non-terran living here, you'd pretty much have to be the kind not to say too much. Second, they do monitor you. Third, its a hands on thing. You discover it for yourself and all you can do is tell someone how to discover it for themselves hands on. This isn't playing a game, its experential personal proof.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by mystiq]

Originally posted by mystiq
All I can say is that there are non-terrans, either fully ets, or hybrids, living here, probably many different locations and countries. They're very telepathic and if get involved you'll find yourself monitored.

One thing that would up your odds of experiencing an unusual moment (though I really want to emphasize the right attitude and intention is needed), would be to go to a very public place frequently, meditate a bit, or just mentally ask for contact or a sign from an et thats here, or close by.

I call out A LOT during my day here in London , I pass through Whitehall every night on the way home, passing the Houses of Parliament and the Ministry of Defense building, even passing the 'secret' headquarters of the MI5/6 building in Vauxhall, and have called out for months, still no contact thought. still hoping and praying though.

maybe 'studied' by the military, but not used.

any such 'powers' would hardly be useful... using your mind to scoot salt shakers around on a table is worthless when one can simply grab it, and move it wherever you like... even use it to salt chips with!

lets see a 'pychic' do that, under a controlled environment.

Nina Kulagina

Many skeptical individuals and organizations, such as the James Randi Educational Foundation and the Italian Committee for the Investigation of Claims on the Paranormal (CICAP) express strong skepticism regarding the truth of these claims. It is noted that the long preparation times and uncontrolled environments (such as hotel rooms) in which the experiments took place left much potential for trickery.[10] Skeptics have argued that many of Kulagina's feats could easily be performed by one practiced in sleight of hand, through means such as cleverly concealed or disguised threads, small pieces of magnetic metal, or mirrors.[11] They further point to the fact that no sleight of hand experts appear to have ever been present during experiments, and that the Cold War-era Soviet Union had an obvious motive for falsifying or exaggerating results in the potential propaganda value in appearing to win a "Psi Race" analogous to the concurrent Space Race or arms race.

remote viewing is also a skill that could be easily verified as real, yet only anecdotal 'proof' is all thats offered.

it is also something that could be easily tested, yet no one seems to volunteer to claim the prize james randi offers... gosh, how come?

"experiential, and personal, and would not hold up to a skeptics questions"

just like imagination?

It was used. The projects made a lot of information available. Read Joseph McMoneagle, his information was put to use. He carries quite a few distinctions in his career.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by mystiq]

Experiential means exactly what it does. Primarily what it means, is you're only talking to those genuinely interested in the subject. This subject is very specialized and involves those who will only come forward, perhaps not even then, in disclosure. Experiential as in trying to learn how to lucid dream or to have an oobe. There are many things that you can only discover for yourself. Often some of the more meaningful things at that.

Originally posted by mystiq
It was used. The projects made a lot of information available. Read Joseph McMoneagle, his information was put to use. He carries quite a few distinctions in his career.

Here are some distinctions, between Joseph McMoneagle myth and fact:


The Truth About Remote Viewing

Proponents of Project Stargate say that the US government's investment in the project proves that it had merit.

Critics point out that the funding was stopped, and say that if merit had been found, funding would have at least been continued, if not dramatically increased.

We can be reasonably assured that the project did not move underground with renewed funding, since the participants have all long since gone public with full disclosure of what happened.

Since none of them have turned up mysteriously disappeared, we can safely assume that the government is not too concerned about this supposedly "classified" information.

Out of respect to the OP, I will admit that I have met 2 different forms of non terran or earthling type species, at least that I am fully aware of.

Why more people do not share my truth I cannot answer, yet there are others and for this reason I can tell you without a shadow of doubt , the reality which is your comfort zone has so many more levels to be discovered, like an onion the layers continue to reveal that which is not according to the paradigm most find their reality.

One day I will write an extensive article on this subject and reveal all I know from my perspective.

I love the mystery of this life, so much to discover. One day much will be out in the open, so enjoy the final days of our ignorance because it is not bliss but it is a time of innocence.

Know this, that the dawn is just on the horizon, the sun will soon shine upon the earth and so many questions will be brought to light.

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Originally posted by The Killah29
The real psychics are Uri Geller, Nina Kalugina and Edgar Cayce.

Cayce is another fraud. It is very helpful for so many unquestioning true believers who will blindly buy into any random git with claims of "super powers"...

keeps 'em off the dole, at least, eh?

$$$$

Cayce, Edgar

In common with most of the divinely inspired mystics, Cayce also dabbled in prophecy. In 1934 he declared that Poseidia (which he said was a portion of Atlantis) would be the first part of that fabled continent to rise again from the Atlantic. “Expect it in 1968 or 1969,” he told his fans. Poseidia, his imaginary creation, did not rise, nor have any of his other prophecies been fulfilled.

But there is always hope. In his 1934 predictions, he declared in an “update on earth changes”:

The earth will be broken up in the western portion of America. The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. The upper portion of Europe will be changed as in the twinkling of an eye. Land will appear off the east coast of America. There will be the upheavals in the Arctic and in the Antarctic that will make for the eruption of volcanoes in the Torrid areas, and there will be the shifting then of the poles——so that where there have been those of a frigid or semi-tropical [sic] will become the more tropical, and moss and fern will grow. And these will begin in those periods in '58 to '98.

As of this date, those events have failed to occur. How could that be?

I think these fellows can sum it up best and briefly:

Penn & Teller: ESP

I am so very sorry but you should know that Sylvia Browne is a fraud. Before she went into the psychic business she was convicted of fraud through a failed business that she and her husband had. She has now gotten her son in on the act with the phone in readings.

She is no more psychic than anyone else and she is not gifted. She is just crafty and condescending. I personally think she sucks and cannot be trusted.

He predictions are rediculous and never come true. She is an all out liar.

I'm not slandering her name here but posting facts. You can check them out on many websites dedicated to exposing the fraud that she is.


Website with lots of evidence against her.
Expose on Sylvia Browne's most famous frauds and lies.


These are just 2 of the many that prove she is a fake money grubbing fraud.

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Venom, your tongue video instantly made me think of Naruto! One of the evil characters, Orochimaru, has a tongue just like that, due to his snake-like character. Everything about him is reptile...

[edit on 19/5/2009 by purehughness]

With what I discovered and the monitoring that was done, I'm not going to share it as this is obviously not something we're supposed to do just yet.
But for anyone living in a mid sized or larger community, to think you havn't met an et is just wrong.

Now between whatever slant TPTB wish to put on remote viewing on the testimony of those involved in the programs....not going to put too much faith into whatever official line they wish toss out to people.

Remote Viewing Secrets a handbook, by Joseph McMoneagle

page xiv-xv That the Cognitive Science Laboratory at SRI-International put Remote Viewing on the map cannot be disputed. CSL recieved a considerable amount of funding, carried out and supported extensive experimentation, and PROVIDED SUPPORT TO INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS FROM 1972 through 1995. If this had not occurred, then no Project STARGATE would have existed, and remote-viewing history would have been very short lived indeed....

...the money spent on the experimentation during the 23-year period was not all spent there. It was shared through numerous sub-contracts with many other labs, enabling a great deal of research into the paranormal to be accomplished in areas sometimes only peripherally related to remote vieiwing...

Again, this isn't a information to argue back and forth with a skeptic. I am somewhat psi, so its the kind of info that helps me understand and make sense of the lifelong experiences. To anyone less inclined, talking about it is useless. Thankfully, there are many others very interested.

Its important to discuss the psi communication, because except for the times you may have met an et without knowing it, just blending right into your community, working alongside you, etc, for the more unusual meetings, it will be done psi.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by mystiq]

Thanks to all who have posted on this thread. I had wondered whether this topic would get more than a few replies. It's nice to know that so many take this topic seriously.

Originally posted by mystiq
Again, this isn't a information to argue back and forth with a skeptic. I am somewhat psi, so its the kind of info that helps me understand and make sense of the lifelong experiences. To anyone less inclined, talking about it is useless. Thankfully, there are many others very interested.

right, like trying to convince someone who knows better, that a work of fiction is a true story... when there is nothing but the imagination of the convincer to support their claim, and firm, documentable reality that supports the doubter's p.o.v.

yes, plenty of people interested, and they support the 'psychic' industry, like McMoneagle's for profit consulting service, Brownes phone(y) fortune telling, all the way to astrology columns in every newspaper...

demonstrable hogwash all, but inexplicably, still a demanding market for it...

people will pay to know what they really think.

ka-ching!

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Excuse me, but from my personal experience there are many strings of reality which do not fit into your perception of reality.

As the earth and its subsequent and parallel realities merge and dance , timelines will and are affected.

Subtle and not so subtle changes occur which often change the entire course of history as we see it.

When a prophet or seer gives hints to future events it is always with the understanding that they are but directions that will occur if sustained at the current rate of descent through the dimension of time.

When I see events they sometimes happen almost instantly, and at other times they may take years to unfold. And then there are others that I can say are thwarted or changed by a cosmic consciousness which like the arm of a river can rapidly change directions and its course.

Having an open mind does not mean a hole in the head but a willingness to trust all of the unknowns which are not your personal experience. Not blind faith, but trust that you have the ability to grow in your experience, your thought processes and ideals of the world around you.

For the closed minded the world is already dead. A stale place which robs them from cradle to grave in a monotonous and bland sequence of predictable events...

reply to post by DohBama


No, like not bothering too much with closed minds. Its impossible to convince you. But I've learnt not to ignore psi anymore. Two people in my small community died, and I knew they were going to, within one day and within one week of my knowing it strongly. There wasn't a lot I could have done in retrospect had I trusted my antenna more. And in the latter case I spent considerable time trying to get his friend, ex-roommate to help him. In addition to this, with a murder suspect in my home town, the police were phoned by so many people who told them they knew where the body was, usually the dump was given. Well I saw a creek or river and the side of the bank. I had told the police when they went door to door that his story, that kept getting additions to it was ridiculous, also that as he didn't have a vehicle the body would be in walking distance unless he had an accomplice. However, not trusting my ability, being naturally timid, and not knowing the creek was actually near his house within walking distance (so I didn't know the area very well there) kept me quiet. It took over a year before they found the victim in the bank of the creek within walking distance of the suspect.

There is no need to prove to skeptics. But many governments already use these abilities. My recommendation to anyone with gifts is to keep them under wrap and use them locally in small groups as this an advancement we the people need, and in the end, no governments will be able to misleed the public with this.

What I find interesting is your approach of demanding someone prove something to you, when they're telling people to go find out for themselves. This is something that you can only find out for yourself.