Codex Alimentarius : How Worried Should We Be?

Most of us here at ATS are aware of Codex Alimentarius. We have all seen the videos about it on Youtube and Google Video. Many of us have listened to podcasts on the subject and have read countless articles about it all over the internet. The official website for Codex claims that the purpose is to harmonize food safety standards and protect the health of consumers. Conspiracy theorists tell a different story though.

It has been claimed by countless sources that Codex goes into global implementation on December 31 2009. It has also been claimed that when this happens, all of our food will be stripped of any real nutritional value while dietary supplements will either be outlawed or reformulated to be of little to no effect. The end result would be billions of people starving to death on empty calories while the globalist elites would be the only ones with access to clean food with real nutrition. The ultimate tool for depopulation.

Right now, I am wondering if anybody out there knows of an original source for these claims. The reason why I ask is because all I can seem to find are conspiracy websites that link to other conspiracy websites as their proof. That is all fine and good but conspiracy websites are not original sources. Neither are Youtube videos. I’m wondering who the original whistle blowers are and what kind of credentials they have.

Please understand that there is no doubt in my mind that the agenda behind Codex Alimentarius is completely nefarious. It would certainly be an effective way to control the world’s food supply. And that is not a good thing no matter how you try to spin it. I believe that Codex is a real and looming threat to the health and happiness of billions of people. So I’m wondering how worried should we be about this? How credible is the information we have heard so far? Is it possible to separate fact from paranoia? Anybody have any ideas?

Just on the off chance that there is someone reading this that has no idea of what I’m talking about, here are some links to get you started.


The official website for Codex Alimentarius. Of course you won’t find any of those claims there. Just Codex propaganda.
www.codexalimentarius.net...

A popular video about the nefarious nature of Codex
video.google.com...

Another popular video about the nefarious intentions behind Codex. Ironically, the guy in this video seems to think that the speaker in the previous video is actually trying help the Codex Alimentarius Commission rather than expose it for what it is. Apparently by trying to make truth seekers look like nutjobs or something. Paranoia abounds on this topic.
video.google.com...

I must admit that I am deeply worried about this. But I am also slightly skeptical about the credibility of the information that is being circulated. I really think it is high time to start separating fact from paranoia. What say you?

reply to post by Lightmare
We worry about that a lot here in Europe. In my country we have a vitamin freedom web site. I would dismiss part of this worry as an exaggeration - except I am in Eastern astrology and it says we WILL all focus on these problems from 2009 September on, and that there will be a lot of conflicts. Over the purity of food, symbolic poisoning - read additives, antibiotics mandatory by Codex and last but not least GM foods.

This is not something that repeats itself in known history.

What it reminds me is when in certain places in Latin America water was suddenly privatised and people came to collect your house for the watre bill. That is when farmers stood up with sticks and they would not let company men to the taps or into the village district...

There is a change of power slowly undergoing (my feelings and visions and my astrology agree on this.) However, we need to do something about it.

Together. In small local groups. Just in case, I would get into barter with organic people as much as I can. Try to keep out from the records.

That is easier in my country now...

Thanks for bringing this topic up!

Star and flag

kokatsi

OP, while I do not have any specific information that could help shed some light onto your questions. I think that your post bears relevance..

I read in another post on ATS, that an individual in Europe (Where the Codex A has already been implemented.) had to ask a medical doctor for a prescription for vitamins, because of a health issue.
I've also briefly watched a few of the C.A. dissenter's videos on Youtube, etc., the entire idea is very creepy, and has HUGE ramifications on the life of everyone.

Star & Flag for bringing a good topic to light, perhaps someone here has some answers or insight, I'd also like to hear them.

-CosmicClearance

Important topic, very well presented. S&F.

Thank you.

reply to post by Lightmare


Thank you for a well-thought-out thread. In the midst of all our other concerns, I'd kind of let this one slip. That was not sarcasm; that was a sincere thanks.

I think there's good cause to worry. On the face of it, the documents from CA's Official website read as an international organization that are dedicated to the betterment of qualative control over food products, particularly those that are exported and imported.

Still, reading through it, I tried to suspend my suspicions, and just READ. Things jumped out at me, like the section on biologically modified foods, and the general feel of wanting to control supplements, and/or establish an international standard for what was allowed to be produced or sold.

Now, me an' my darlin' have had a world of relief from various ailments through TCM -- traditional Chinese medicine, including accupuncture and herbal remedies. I keep us well stocked up on things, as well as some homeopathic goodies. I could easily foresee a time when things that weren't universally accepted might be curtailed.

It's concerning. It's also concerning to have to rely upon vague minutes from the CA itself to try and determine what they are up to. There were a couple of names in there that rang a bell, and I don't know why, so some Googlification is in order.

Thanks again. Hopefully the CA is exactly what they purport to be -- an international watchdog for food standards.

Thiis is going to sound a bit..... ummm...... smarmy, I suppose, but I don't think they've done a great job of regulating/testing keeping contaminated foods from being exported from China. I know, I know, but dang, one or two things, sure it's a production accident. Pet food? and then the myriad of things afterward? Toys? Hard to not ponder that there's some agenda that the folks assembling these things are not aware of.

That codex stuff is scary. What's next? Are they going to prevent you from growing food in you own back yard? It would be wise to start collecting seeds as this might totally get out of hand. Your OWN food might be the only place you would be able to get nutrient rich food. Then again I might not be able to water the damn plants because they will have laws for that. Fresh water will be in short supply and I fear it will be a cause for concern for me in Canada because we have so much of it and they might be coming for it. I feel we should trade a barrel of fresh water for a barrel of crude with Saudi or some other country that has a lack of fresh water... Definitly be good for our economy.

Please watch Max Igan's video on this subject. I really recommend this, its very good.


He really goes all the way here and tells us plain and simply the difference between a law and legislation, which is akin to a crime against humanity. You cannot comply with something, legally, those are the real laws derived at throughout time in court, that you know is a crime or treason even. This video not only explains the very nazi who thought this up, who happened to be the head of a major pharmaceutical, associated with Bayers, who spent 7 years in prison after the Nuremburg trials, and ergo had a wild thought. Food control. He went to the UN after his prison term was over and told them his ideas, and they loved it and formed the codex alimentairus group.

What is especially noteworthy in this video is the steps we need to take to say no, make noise and ensure it doesn't happen. Along with simply doing our thing, buying and selling and standing by each other. I got further and say we have to 100% support each other. If they go for one person we have to form crowds and clog their court system and say we're all in 100% non-compliance with these crimes that can't be called laws and we're going to perform citizens arrests.

Thanks to everyone who has replied.

Originally posted by Kokatsi
We worry about that a lot here in Europe. In my country we have a vitamin freedom web site. I would dismiss part of this worry as an exaggeration - except I am in Eastern astrology and it says we WILL all focus on these problems from 2009 September on, and that there will be a lot of conflicts. Over the purity of food, symbolic poisoning - read additives, antibiotics mandatory by Codex and last but not least GM foods.

Yeah I think there are a few of vitamin freedom websites out there. The website for the Natural Solutions Foundation comes to mind. They are also affiliated with one of the videos I linked to earlier in this thread. I honestly can't figure out if they are actually on to something or if they are just using paranoia to sell their products. If their claims prove to be legit then at least I will know where to get my vitamins from if the need arises. They sure do fill my email box with a lot of spam though.

Originally posted by CosmicClearance
I read in another post on ATS, that an individual in Europe (Where the Codex A has already been implemented.) had to ask a medical doctor for a prescription for vitamins, because of a health issue.
I've also briefly watched a few of the C.A. dissenter's videos on Youtube, etc., the entire idea is very creepy, and has HUGE ramifications on the life of everyone.

You see, that is what scares about this. I pretty much live on multi-vitamins and dietary supplements. I used to be a sickly thing back before I started taking vitamins on a regular basis. Since I started taking them, I've been much healthier. And I intend to stay that way. If the globalist elites really are planning to take away my right to stay healthy in the ways that I have found to be most effective, then I will be needing to start stocking up pretty soon. On the other hand, if the conspiracy theorists claims prove to be false, I will have wasted a lot of money on products that unfortunately have an expiration date that does not go much beyond the end of 2010. And that would suck.

Originally posted by soficrow
Important topic, very well presented. S&F.

Thanks! I believe this is a very important topic. That is why I think it is important to start sifting through the information to see how much of it can actually be verified. The more we know, the better we can prepare ourselves.

Originally posted by argentus
Thanks again. Hopefully the CA is exactly what they purport to be -- an international watchdog for food standards.

Yes it would be nice if the powers that be were truthful and trustworthy. But given their track record, I'm thinking that I just don't trust them.

Originally posted by argentus
This is going to sound a bit..... ummm...... smarmy, I suppose, but I don't think they've done a great job of regulating/testing keeping contaminated foods from being exported from China. I know, I know, but dang, one or two things, sure it's a production accident. Pet food? and then the myriad of things afterward? Toys? Hard to not ponder that there's some agenda that the folks assembling these things are not aware of.

That is a very good point. I most certainly agree with you on that.

Originally posted by Grossac
That codex stuff is scary. What's next? Are they going to prevent you from growing food in you own back yard? It would be wise to start collecting seeds as this might totally get out of hand. Your OWN food might be the only place you would be able to get nutrient rich food. Then again I might not be able to water the damn plants because they will have laws for that. Fresh water will be in short supply and I fear it will be a cause for concern for me in Canada because we have so much of it and they might be coming for it. I feel we should trade a barrel of fresh water for a barrel of crude with Saudi or some other country that has a lack of fresh water... Definitly be good for our economy.

Actually, I think there is legislation floating around here in the US that will prevent people from growing their own food if passed. Can't remember the names of the bills at the moment. Later on I will do some checking around to see if I can find them.

S&F

I will see what I can find , great post !!

Here is one thing that I did find ..

Alimenalimentary
1615, from M.L. ailimentarius "pertaining to food," from alimentum "nourishment," from alere "to nourish, rear, support, maintain," from PIE base *al- "to grow, nourish" (see old). Aliment "nourishment" was in Eng. from 1477. ...

Tarius ....

Sagittarius
constellation, 1390, from L., lit. "archer," prop. "pertaining to arrows," from sagitta "arrow," which probably is from a pre-Latin Mediterranean language. Meaning "person born under Sagittarius" (prop. Sagittarian) is attested from 1940.

The tau cross is the same shape as the greek letter T , which is also called tau and was anciently considered as an emblem of life . It was held to be a sacred mark and was placed upon the foreheads of those who escaped from shipwreck , battle or other great peril of life . Tau is mentioned in Ezekiel 4:4-6 as the mark set upon the foreheads of the men who were to be preserved alive . Tau is derived from an egyptian or coptic root meaning bull or cow and the constellation anciently marking the vernal equinox ....


I will search a bit more and can only hope to find something relevant .

reply to post by mystiq


Thanks for the video. It mentioned that legislation bill that I coudn't remember the name of. It is HR875. If it passes, you can pretty much kiss unmodified organic food goodbye. HR875 certainly needs to be stopped.

reply to post by Lightmare


That is just nuts. Tons of apple trees in my area, at least that will be available. Fishing is always good food. Lots of rivers are un contaminated so there is that option... Just everything in the stores will be srewed.

Originally posted by Max_TO
Here is one thing that I did find ..
Alimenalimentary
1615, from M.L. ailimentarius "pertaining to food," from alimentum "nourishment," from alere "to nourish, rear, support, maintain," from PIE base *al- "to grow, nourish" (see old). Aliment "nourishment" was in Eng. from 1477. ...
Tarius ....
Sagittarius
constellation, 1390, from L., lit. "archer," prop. "pertaining to arrows," from sagitta "arrow," which probably is from a pre-Latin Mediterranean language. Meaning "person born under Sagittarius" (prop. Sagittarian) is attested from 1940.
The tau cross is the same shape as the greek letter T , which is also called tau and was anciently considered as an emblem of life . It was held to be a sacred mark and was placed upon the foreheads of those who escaped from shipwreck , battle or other great peril of life . Tau is mentioned in Ezekiel 4:4-6 as the mark set upon the foreheads of the men who were to be preserved alive . Tau is derived from an egyptian or coptic root meaning bull or cow and the constellation anciently marking the vernal equinox ....
I will search a bit more and can only hope to find something relevant .

That's interesting. I knew that the name Codex Alimentarius basically means "food book" or "food code" or something that effect. Whether or not there are any hidden meanings within the wording is unclear to me. I'm certainly no expert on such matters. It is interesting to speculate on though. Good find.

Originally posted by Grossac
That is just nuts. Tons of apple trees in my area, at least that will be available. Fishing is always good food. Lots of rivers are un contaminated so there is that option... Just everything in the stores will be srewed.

I'm thinking that access to fruit-bearing trees would be a very good thing. Preferably ones that have been grown far away from civilization and far away from any industrialized farmland to make sure they can't be cross-pollinated with anything that has been genetically modified.

Fishing would be a good idea as well. As long as you can be certain that your source remains uncontaminated.

Originally posted by Lightmare
Most of us here at ATS are aware of Codex Alimentarius. We have all seen the videos about it on Youtube and Google Video. Many of us have listened to podcasts on the subject and have read countless articles about it all over the internet. The official website for Codex claims that the purpose is to harmonize food safety standards and protect the health of consumers. Conspiracy theorists tell a different story though.

It has been claimed by countless sources that Codex goes into global implementation on December 31 2009. It has also been claimed that when this happens, all of our food will be stripped of any real nutritional value while dietary supplements will either be outlawed or reformulated to be of little to no effect. The end result would be billions of people starving to death on empty calories while the globalist elites would be the only ones with access to clean food with real nutrition. The ultimate tool for depopulation.

Right now, I am wondering if anybody out there knows of an original source for these claims. The reason why I ask is because all I can seem to find are conspiracy websites that link to other conspiracy websites as their proof. That is all fine and good but conspiracy websites are not original sources. Neither are Youtube videos. I’m wondering who the original whistle blowers are and what kind of credentials they have.

Please understand that there is no doubt in my mind that the agenda behind Codex Alimentarius is completely nefarious. It would certainly be an effective way to control the world’s food supply. And that is not a good thing no matter how you try to spin it. I believe that Codex is a real and looming threat to the health and happiness of billions of people. So I’m wondering how worried should we be about this? How credible is the information we have heard so far? Is it possible to separate fact from paranoia? Anybody have any ideas?

Just on the off chance that there is someone reading this that has no idea of what I’m talking about, here are some links to get you started.


The official website for Codex Alimentarius. Of course you won’t find any of those claims there. Just Codex propaganda.
www.codexalimentarius.net...

A popular video about the nefarious nature of Codex
video.google.com...

Another popular video about the nefarious intentions behind Codex. Ironically, the guy in this video seems to think that the speaker in the previous video is actually trying help the Codex Alimentarius Commission rather than expose it for what it is. Apparently by trying to make truth seekers look like nutjobs or something. Paranoia abounds on this topic.
video.google.com...

I must admit that I am deeply worried about this. But I am also slightly skeptical about the credibility of the information that is being circulated. I really think it is high time to start separating fact from paranoia. What say you?

i think i agree with the second speaker regarding the first lady speaker...i read somewhere that she has links to some government bodies...or her husband does...whats her name?

I do not support Codex, I believe it is a concern. However there does seem to be a lot of misinformation spread around.

July 2006 – There is currently a significant amount of inaccurate and misleading information circulating on the internet about Codex and other related health freedom issues, much of which would appear to have originated on the website of the so-called Natural Solutions Foundation. Whilst the Natural Solutions Foundation's Medical Director, Rima Laibow, claims to have carefully studied more than 16,000 pages of Codex documentation, the content of her articles and the nature of her proposed strategies strongly suggests otherwise. The following article may therefore help you to sort the facts from the fiction.

www4.dr-rath-foundation.org...

The link list many claims and sets the story straight with the facts.

It does appear that many of the claims made by Rima Laibow are at least inaccurate and in many cases simply wrong.

And before the conspiracy theorists attack the source, let it be known that these guys are also against codex and have members who actively attend the meetings. Outlandish claims will not help us.

Thanks for reminding us about this, i think we all really need to start gathering seeds and stocking up on them. I think the shizzle is about to hit the fan...

I do believe David Icke covered this in one of his videos... or maby it was Wilcox.

Hrmm...

If you do enough searching there is a video on Youtube of a woman from the FDA talking about this at one of their conferences... She is very serious on the subject and a great watch considering who she works for. If I remember correctly she was outright shocked at the prospect someone thought of this.

Yes its starting to happen.

They have already wrote in newspapers about vitamins being outlawed at end of 2009.
Various media in Australia have already used propaganda on how dangerous vitamins are to scare and fear people.

I would look into and google the raw food diet and save your seeds.

www.curezone.com...

People will absolutely revolt this.

The elite are trying to keep us in submission and fear. We cannot simply let them defeat us. We need to use our inner light and love.

FDA and pharmaceuticals have already merged together as one entity. They help eachother out. It is not jsut to get rid of most of the populace but also alternatives are cutting into pharma profits. FDA is their pawn.

Since the introduction and implementation of Genetically modified plant sin Australia this year. There has been a rise in pollen related allergies that are spread from GMO plants. They tell the patrents not to feed their children fruit due to this problem. I suffer allergies and when i eat store bought apples now i sneeze but when i eat organic or non chemically grown apples i dont sneeze. So its another way to start nutrionally downgrading the children.




[edit on 18-5-2009 by Applesandoranges]

Hmmm, so doctors, police, ambulance personel, the armed forces, what the NWO will still need, will have seperate food souces that are not trash?
how will that work? surly someone would notice? plus the people who actualy produce and process the food would have seperate 'good' food supplies? Those who like to grow their own, what will happen to them?
Just how do you take the 'goodness' out of a carrot without destroying it?
too many questions, not enough answers.

reply to post by Lightmare


While yes codex is concerning there was a thread last fall that you should most definitely take a look at... this thread has a video that explains that at the last codex meeting things seemed to be falling apart...

thread

[edit on 18-5-2009 by iamjesusphish]

Here is a good video to explain the issue:

Codex Alimentarious

More on Codex Alimentarious.


This MUST be stopped immediately for the welfare of humanity!!

Very important!

Kind Regards.