Saw This Comic Strip Again Today, And Thought I'd Share

Originally posted by Ahabstar
As a child of the 70's raised in small town Ohio, my first encounter with the tattoo was the episode of Fat Albert. It was tastefully done, but didn't really get into as much detail as this comic strip did. Not knowing about it then, I looked it up...quite a heavy mistake learning all about it at that age, especially with all the pictures that came with it.

My problem with the strip is that is a subject matter that should not be introduced to the very young in all the detail. I do however think that the strip did stay on the right side of the line.

At 38, I still do not want to consider the perspective of the soldiers in the liberation units. The perspective of the "prisoners" will always be off the table for me. It is one of the few subjects, that for my own well being, I will gloss over by saying that it was a horrible atrocity and try to leave it at that. Some things are better to just be acknowledged as opposed to relived.

True, but if you teach them at an early age what is right and wrong , then they will know better when they get older and not have to learn it then.

Plus we retain so much information at a young age that it would be a good idea to instill some right vs. wrong talk to a kid so he knows how not to be fooled later in life.

reply to post by grover

One of the most profound books I have ever read (besides Maus and Maus II) dealing with the Holocaust was "Hasidic tales of the Holocaust" edited by Yaffa Eliach.

You and me both.

The old man in the strip reminds me so very strongly of an old freind, now sadly gone, named Jakob, who told me about his experiance in one of the camps. Of his family, he lost all 4 siblings, both parents, both sets of grandparents, most of his uncles and aunts, he never found out about most of his cousins...

To this day, that remains one of the most profound conversations I've ever had. I'm 46 now, I was 12 when Jakob and I talked...well he talked and I sat dumbfounded, and shocked to my very core. Not an easy thing to learn when your twelve...

Originally posted by Wildbob77
When I was a kid, I met a concentration camp survivor who still had the tattoo.

She came and spoke at our church and I was amazed at how optimistically her view of life was.

I have to admit that I have issues with people who deny that the holocaust occurred.

It def happened. But I think we were not told everything that happened, and so then people think it didn't happen at all because a few false facts come out among the millions of true facts. They run with the 3 false statements and try to use that to prove it did not happen.

It happened, but there are way too many details left out, and I'm almost sure our gov somehow benefited from it, or at least people of power in the word who were not nazi's did.

I am native american, I grew up hearing stories of genocide from my grandma.

In the past, the main thrust of the Holocaust/Genocide Project's magazine, An End To Intolerance, has been the genocides that occurred in history and outside of the United States. Still, what we mustn't forget is that mass killing of Native Americans occurred in our own country. As a result, bigotry and racial discrimination still exist. "In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue" . . . and made the first contact with the "Indians." For Native Americans, the world after 1492 would never be the same. This date marked the beginning of the long road of persecution and genocide of Native Americans, our indigenous people. Genocide was an important cause of the decline for many tribes. "By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million. Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand

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I think the Holocaust being Jewish centered is kind of a way to keep the memory of it alive. With so MANY horrible acts committed against humans by other humans throughout our history together here on Earth most are so easily forgotten. No one really bothers to worry about how many gypsies were killed. No gypsies are media moguls or bankers. No one really cares about gays being slaughtered when in the most important country on the planet we still do not allow people who publicly declare gay sexual preference to fight for freedom in the military or to have the right to a public marriage. Lets be honest about it. Jews have their own country. It is a very important country that has a lot of controversy. If the Jews were not killed in the holocaust it would probably have slipped away into the history of human atrocity. Good for the Jews to keep the memory of it alive.

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I do believe that you may be the only other person I know that has read it. You need a strong heart to read it.

Damn I almost busted out tear, this is not just about the jews it is meant for everyone who went thru that hard time.

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Like it or not the Holocaust was different in two very specific ways... one was the fact that it was so methodical... it was devoid of any passion unlike say the genocide in Rawanda... in short it was like a surgical removal.

The other reason that it is different is that it effects us to this day... partly because of its cold blooded expression but more importantly, the state of Israel and the situation in the middle east is directly connected to it.

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I got about halfway through, I think...

someday I'll finish it. Heartrending.

reply to post by ImzadiDax


That should never be forgotten either. Have you given thought to recording those stories? They're stories that need to be heard.

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I have heard a theory that Hitler got his idea of the concentration camps from the US reservations system. Rounding people up and sticking them somewhere.

reply to post by Magus of Truth


No, it's not just about Jews. It's about all the people who suffered such degradation, guilty of nothing save existance.

reply to post by ImzadiDax


I often felt more sympathy for the "savages", as Government propaganda called the butchered Native American's, than for the ignorant settlers, when I grew up reading the history books in school.

But then again, I see through propaganda, like it was Saran Wrap.

Same goes for the Holocaust, there is a lot of propaganda that mixed facts, with fantasy.


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Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by ImzadiDax

 

I have heard a theory that Hitler got his idea of the concentration camps from the US reservations system. Rounding people up and sticking them somewhere.

In terms of where the concentration camp first originated, i have read different things. One thing i read was where....I think it was the British ambassador complaining to Goering about concentration camps. Goering got up, opened an encyclopedia to concentration camp and read that it was first established by the British during the South African War.

I have heard other theories though such as them originating in the U.S Civil War, or the Spanish-American War. I really don't know to be honest.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by ImzadiDax

 

That should never be forgotten either. Have you given thought to recording those stories? They're stories that need to be heard.

I am not a writer lol but my uncle is doing exactly that. My grandma told some horrific stories and I totally agree that it needs to be remembered as well. Much hugs to ya... Dax

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas


I often felt more sympathy for the "savages", as Government propaganda called the butchered Native American's, than for the ignorant settlers, when I grew up reading the history books in school.

But then again, I see through propaganda, like it was Saran Wrap.

Same goes for the Holocaust, there is a lot of propaganda that mixed facts, with fantasy.


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I have to agree with you here, theres too much rhetoric.. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by ImzadiDax

 

I have heard a theory that Hitler got his idea of the concentration camps from the US reservations system. Rounding people up and sticking them somewhere.

To be honest I couldnt really tell you, but from what my g'ma told me.. they sound pretty dam*ed close.

reply to post by ImzadiDax


I'm glad to hear someone is. Is he going to publish them, I hope? ...and hey, hugs back atcha.

I went ahead and uploaded this picture to my ATS Media.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e9747d4f6f34.gif[/atsimg]

For the lazy people who don't like to click links.

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reply to post by nixie_nox


I don't know about that but he took the uniforms for the brown shirts directly from the uniform at the time of the New Jersey state police.